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Posted: 15 years ago
#81

Originally posted by: zainab25



Internet helps huh? 😛😛😛I tell you, great source of information it can provide you.



I would buy this explanation of yours (I may still do,a bit of it), but I find it extremely tuff to believe that he was mentally unstable when three weeks later he was rocking at concerts to find a cure for cancer....oops I mean psychotic illness. It doesn't make a difference anyways...cancer, hypothermia, Alzheimer's, they are all the same in CMG. Anyways, it really would be a miracle for him to get treated in a span of three weeks and conveniently go on a world tour for awareness purposes during that time. Was he in emotional turmoil? Yes, I believe that, and hence he left a letter for his ex - fiance who was laying unconsciously on the floor. Earlier I said as well, with or without the oath, just as a human being, he should have at least checked her state before deserting her but maybe his own state of mind couldn't handle the trauma of witnessing his lover again. Also somewhere someone said that he had noticed Siddhanth with Riddhima, thus he conveniently left her unconscious and numb in hopes for Sid to recover her. The point is that he left her, and I do not believe his mental state was incompetent to treat a patient. It seems eerie to know just in three weeks, he was able to self heal his psychotic illness, and even arrange a tour for that cause.




Sid was suppose to be the hero? Erm. Well he is regardless of Armaan, but then why would KSG state that his return was planned by the CVs before his infamous exit from September? Don't tell me he lies too now. Examining that statement of his, the CVs then should not have portrayed Armaan as a selfish prick. Tsk. Tsk.




On a lighter note, no where did the 'Practicing Doctor' after treating the patient with body heat due to hypothermia force her to marry him due to that incident. Our vulnerable Riddhima first accused him of rape as she wasn't aware of the concept of body heat, thus complications rose for her. Not the other way your mentioned. Last but not the least, she chose to marry him in such a hurry, because as far as I recall, her father and Siddhanth had questioned her hasty decision but she decided to nod and smile thru the plan.




I do still buy the trauma explanation by aangelis....it seems the most appropriate in this case and doesn't let Armaan appear as a total jerk, so all's well.







PS- Armaan was a 'practicing' doctor, because when Siddhanth - Riddhima were tracking him down, they questioned a man regarding Amraan, and the man answered back with terms, 'Doctor Saahib?' So even when he lived in the woods, he apparently was still a doctor healing others, and just later 3 weeks he returned to Sanjeevani as a Practicing doctor. It also may be that everyone in the village referred to him as 'Doctor' due to his title but I'd believe my first assumption to support my points. It's not our fault though that the CVs take their audiences are mere morons.




Yup! Internet sure is a great source of information and so are books (actually better) that we use in schools which give us way more thorough information about things than on the internet. 😃 If you want I can list a few AMA related books here for reference too. 😉

Anyways...
Coming to the show... I was merely stating the medical and ethical aspect relating to The Hippocratic Oath. Whatever happened with KSG's entry, exit, CVs plans etc. is best known to KSG and the CVs. No matter how many articles or reports come out, we believe only what we choose to believe.

Why did Armaan leave an unconscious Riddhima? Were we shown anywhere in the show at that point that Armaan was "treating" patients? Just b/c a guy refers to Armaan as a "Doctor Sahib" doesn't tell us that he was treating them or was competent to treat people. Yes! he had the degree of a Doctor hence making him a doctor. I am sure you have been to India or Pakistan. Once a doctor or an engineer, people refer you with that title for life! But that's besides the point.
We were told however that he developed the strength to get better after he saw Ridz. So, since he had seen her with Sid, he knew she will be safe. We weren't told that Armaan knew Ridz got hypothermia. Shanky and Billy knew everything about Sid being there and so did Armaan.

BTW, psychological conditions are very tricky. A lot of these disorders depend on an individual's ability on how soon they can develop strength. The time frame between recovery and rock concerts maybe minimal, but that's the flaw in scripting.

The 'logical' reason as to why we weren't shown Armaan treating or attending to Ridz in teh show is quite simple... KSG wasn't in the show at that time. Whatever deal there was between them about KSG's return, the fact is that either they made teh story to play out like this from before or they didn't know if they could get KSG back. Who were they supposed to show helping her? His body double? That my dear is the flaw in the story and script writing.

All this has NOTHING to do with Armaan's ability to save Ridz from hypothermia and bringing The Hippocratic Oath in between.
CVs don't even care what the Oath is or says as long as they get their TRPs...


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Posted: 15 years ago
#82
^^dua_44ever. Well then now that we no longer are discussing the fictional soap but rather CVs, actors, TRPs, I guess I can't rebuttal further to your points. I laid out what I assumed based on what I was shown, but none of us are naive either, and at the end, I also blame the flawed script and hassled way of treating the scenario.
I still simply refuse to believe that the character Armaan (not imagining KSG) would leave his eternal lover simply laying on the floor in such a disastrous state when he had enough senses to plan and write out a well thought out letter directed to his love and their past memories. That just ruins it all.
It was a great disussion. 😊
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Posted: 15 years ago
#83
they should never have used a hospital setting if they had no clue how to carry it out............patients were never a priority in dmg............u would ususally see them sitting in pretty yellow pink and now purple frocks either in basket ball courts or some race or cafeteria or loitering the corridors..................
the creatives have botched big time using medical practise as background which will and has raised innumerous questions...........you cannot make such mockery of doctos ,hospitals and the oath they take....................but then they write down hte argument that it is for entertainment sake and so on so watch it if you want to and do not question the mockery.........
most if the shows lack sensitivity and creativity unfortunately
Edited by sun29 - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
#84
Sorry for going off topic a bit - but I just LOVVVVEEEE this movie, and even more so when they go into Black and White mode when showing that friend's family ... Just loved it!!! One of my favorites ... can't say it's his best work coz well ... all his movies are mind blowing ... yes I'm a huge Amir Khan fan ... None other like him.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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@fizzylicious---Gud question but reading the replies U hve got I really don't think u cud get the answer!!!Why Mr. Armaan chose to leave his ex-fiance, the woman whom he calls his 'life', beats me.Some ppl nurse a dog to health when dey see it dying and in a helpless state but it seems Miss Riddhima means much less to the 'dil ka doctor' Armaan.I think he is just a 'dil ka doctor' and does not hve much knowledge abt hypothermia and the likes. Sum1 said dat he knew Sid was there so does it give him the right to leave his 'life'(Ridzie) in the hands of a total stranger!!!And then, when Mr. Armaan returns he starts ranting abt 'meri Riddhima'.
Ps:---Dos who kno me will bear testimony to the fact dat no sarcasm was intended....😉
Edited by doukno - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
#86

excellent point!...okey dokey..first of all let me say that although i am Sidma fan but i loved Arman's character from the beginning, although he wasn't perfect not even close to it!...basically he wasn't the perfect understanding lover all the time!..but i still loved him to the core!..because he was a real guy with real issues!..and he tried to deal with them the best way he knows!..even sometimes his ways were wrong and they back fired!..

Arman acted childishly most of the time, he got upset form Rids from the silliest things she had done or didn't do!..he always left her when he didn't know what to do!...i hated his foolish act of changing his personality as Suree from RBJ!. he took wrong choices and lied to her about silly things!..hence fell in trouble so many times! and caused her trouble too..he had anger outburst of rage and jealousy, he acted selfishly and hurt her deeply countless times!..

bottom line is he wasn't portrayed as a mature man!..he was a selfish play boy who came from a broken home..who fell truly in love for the first time!..he fell for a girl who is old fashioned!..a girl who belongs to the old school!..so how he behaved was pretty much understandable and justified!..and he tried to change for her sake..and he did become a better person in the process!

he left here many times before and they got separated from each other but he always found ways to patch up again!.. his love wasn't mature but I admit it was deep and very strong..he respected and cared for her and he was a loving character!...he had so many romantic ways to show it to her!...sometimes he went out of his ways and did so many huge things just to see her smile and make up with her!..

he was ready to sacrifice his life for her...and he cared allot for her happiness and in this I can recall him rescuing her so many times, his standing by her side in the car bomb incident, the fire work blast, and the shoot out and many more! so how could he leave her like this in panhgani?! that doesnt make any sense!

why am i saying all this,although i know what you wrote is true?!.. because i think what happened post shoot out is so not Arman!..including him leaving her without checking upon her in panchgani!...its like the CV's totally butchered his character!..the Arman i know wouldn't have done what was shown!.. and i hated that!..but still we can't ignore what he did because that how the story was shown and it was wrong thats all i can say!
Edited by ka7eela - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
#87
Nice Post Fizzy !!

Good debate and the oath yeah something which one can ponder over!!
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: zainab25


You sure about that? 🤔Don't make me count how many ever times he has had romantic moments, eye romance, dupatta moments, cafeteria moments, dance moments, cry moments, fire escape moments, bet momentsat a workplace. If I compare it with Sid or Yuvi in terms of proportion (that should work as it''s fair since Armaan has been at Sanjeevani longer than Sid/Yuvi), I am sure he'd beat plenty of records. Damn, if only all those cringe worthy moments occured outside the work place....why didn't Nana or Gappu (patients still not diagnosed) sue him? So yeah. <3.


But yeah, none of them really do any work. *shock and horror* DMG is an embarassment for aspiring doctors. p



I agree to the last point you made there! So if you realize DMG is an embarassment and none of the doctors really work why question it babe just go with the flow! I mean for fans it's a show about their favorite couples anyway! If the oath was that darn important the post would have been made the day Armaan didn't help Riddhima or even before that when other doctors of Sanjeevani neglected their duties <3
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Posted: 15 years ago
#89
Hey dear,
Very Nice Topic.
Totally Agreed with ur post.
Armaan was never a good lover nor a responsible doctor.
Always Giving the reason of mental Unstability,Armaan fans cannot Hide Armaan's mistakes.
A lover like Armaan who says that Riddhima is her life.
Well when her life was lying unconsciously in front of him, he did'nt even kept a glass of water.
Armaan only remembered to remove payal & his mom's kangan.
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Posted: 15 years ago
#90

Originally posted by: -Fizzylicious-



NO he wasn't if he was mentally unstable than how did he knew how to remove her jewellery and right a goodbye note that too one which made total sense in terms of hindi and grammer and than leave? sorry but mental unstability excuse is not gonna work

Finally somebody makes sense......But i dont know if some people will understand .
I think it is more a question of EGO that The god is loosing to a MERE HUMAN BEING.

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