Happy is not dumb - Page 3

I don’t have any sympathy for RV, I feel that every human being has to take a journey alone. In that journey, they find companions, soulmate’s and what not but the spirit’s journey is alone. The soul has to take a journey which involves evolving due to goodness and repugnance in a self inflicted purgatory. I feel sad that he couldn’t complete his evolution. His journey through hell has just begun.

Rocky completed his self repugnance, his purging is done. His evolution has just started.

And for RV, the catharsis has to be done. The Karmic Balance needs to be achieved.

His Background score is saxophone if you all have noticed and that too in a slow burning glory. Saxophone is associated with dusk, when the where the sun sets.

His sun has set for sure. I can see him walking alone at the sunset. Alone and taking his journey alone!

Originally posted by: manzilmukul

I don’t have any sympathy for RV, I feel that every human being has to take a journey alone. In that journey, they find companions, soulmate’s and what not but the spirit’s journey is alone. The soul has to take a journey which involves evolving due to goodness and repugnance in a self inflicted purgatory. I feel sad that he couldn’t complete his evolution. His journey through hell has just begun.

Rocky completed his self repugnance, his purging is done. His evolution has just started.

And for RV, the catharsis has to be done. The Karmic Balance needs to be achieved.

His Background score is saxophone if you all have noticed and that too in a slow burning glory. Saxophone is associated with dusk, when the where the sun sets.

His sun has set for sure. I can see him walking alone at the sunset. Alone and taking his journey alone!

Spot on! I agree with everything that you have said.

Happy is fighting with turmoil, and as I said previously deep down she still has the ting of doubt and feels what if Rocky did not do that with Smiley. And now with Rocky infront of her as Shaan is only adding to her woos , her inner turmoil is surfacing. She is attracted to him and she just can’t help but fall for him.

It will be interesting to see what she will answer to RV in the precap- I think she will get flashbacks of Rocky/Shaan but she will not accept them and will go on to say that she does not love anybody. RV will not let her go, he is going to cling on to her despite him claiming ‘I can’t deprive you of the truth’. Does RV not feel that happy deserves to know the truth especially with his claims of loving her. He could clearly see that happy does not love him, he knows that.

If the spoiler of Rocky confessing to happy about his identity is true, then I really want happy to believe him for once and help him find the truth. Because I know at the end of the tunnel, Happy is only going to be extremely hurt and guilty when she finds the truth out. Let’s c how Gul takes this forward.

And I am sorry it’s probably just me but I have no sympathy whatsoever for RV. He is a cheater and a liar. He has deceived Happy and his so called friendship with her plus the trust of her family. This is extremely outrageous. If he believes that he loved happy so much then why not tell her the truth and let her decide. These kind of people can only suck blood like a leech and nothing else, he is claiming of such morals but what he has done is unacceptable. Punishing a innocent man and breaking his relationship with everyone around him. Nothing can I say nothing can redeem RV. I could have given him a benefit of doubt if he has for once tried to help Rocky while he was in jail or even when he met Shaan, had he been shown guilty. No but all that he did was beat him, fight with him prove him wrong.

Dear Jareth,

My felicitations on a truly magisterial.post.

I agree with almost all the points you have made, especially in the first section about Rocky, and the one about Happy seeing RV as someone who.has been booked, so to speak. It is a fresh and valid point, though I still feel that a woman would know when a man is romantically interested in her. But perhaps she doesn't want to know

I am not going to wonder about how far one can actually see this psychologically consistent Happy of yours onscreen.

Instead, I would like to tell you that I admired the way in which you stuck to your central theme - explaining.Happy- right through a longish post. Not that it felt long, far from it. In fact I was a tad disappointed when it ended. I would - like the chap in the old Pepsi ad,or Oliver Twist - have liked some more.

An aside: When I look at this Odd Troika, I am reminded, of course allowing for major differences, of Sense and Sensibility, and Marianne, Willoughby and Colonel Brandon.

This is also to say goodbye. It was a pleasure getting to know someone with such a bright, incisive, logical mind. I don't know what your specialisation is going to be, but seeing the ease with which you walk into another's mind, I would vote for psychiatry!

When I have got through North and South, I shall let you know.

All the very best for your medical career, and warm regards

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Dear Jareth,

My felicitations on a truly magisterial.post.

I agree with almost all the points you have made, especially in the first section about Rocky, and the one aboutHappy seeing RV as someone who.has been booked, so to speak. It is a fresh and valid point, though I still feel that a woman would know when a man is romantically interested in her. But perhaps she doesn't want to know

I am not going to wonder about how far one can actually see this psychologically consistent Happy of yours onscreen.

Instead, I would like to tell you that I admired the way in which you stuck to your central theme - explaining.Happy- right through a longish post. Not that it felt long, far from it. In fact I was a tad disappointed when it ended. I would - like the chap in the old Pepsi ad,or Oliver Twist - have liked some more.

This is also to say goodbye. It was a pleasure getting to know someone with such a bright, incisive, logical mind. When I have got through North and South, I shall let you know.

All the very best for your medical career, and warm regards

Shyamala Aunty

Jareth, what a wonderful post!!

I agree with you!!! In fact I am happy you cleared out a lot of things I was having troubles in understanding.

I am all with you in other points. I said the opposite in point 2. I never called Happy dumb but oblivious. She being oblivious to RV's feelings. I was angry at Happy, esp. after the almost kiss. I failed to understand how could she act shocked at RV's rejection to Anaya given what happened between them. RV was always vocal about his feelings. Like I said in my post, he might not have said those 3 magical words but expressed his love in every other language possible. It can't be just friendship. In all those moments, Happy was silent. She didn't utter a word. RV wanted to talk about the almost kiss, Happy refused. How I wish they had discussed and Happy made her stance clear.

Having said that, perhaps Piu and you are right. Happy wasn't in that mindset to think about RV and his emotions. She didn't want to involve herself in all this. We never saw her pondering over their proximity or RV's love speeches. She only was occupied with thoughts of Rocky and hotel. Her pleading expression to RV in that proposal night tells you she isn't that oblivious after all, she knows it, may be she didn't imagine it was that serious to call off a long-term relationship. She might have considered it as a passing infatuation which people experience when they work together for a longer time.

Now, when Happy told Kulwant how shocked she was that RV thought their relationship is something more than dosti?! I was like eerrmm. If she wasn't oblivious, she shouldn't have said that. It was inconsistent.

Originally posted by: manzilmukul

In fact, in my thread, I have been saying the same things. Happy is not feeling RVs intensity because she doesn’t want to and need to.

Being obliged to someone doesn’t necessarily mean to understand and empathise with other person’s emotions. She didn’t feel for Chintu romantically because she didn’t have it in her. Only Rocky evokes that emotion in her.

Originally posted by: PerfectStart

Hello aunty, how are you doing???@Jareth&Shayamala aunty, because you are responding to Jareth's post.coming straight to the point, happy seeing RV as someone who is booked, but you remember that smallish and tender moment between happy and rv?? I know, and so does everyone that happy was really depressed at that time and wanted someone to ease her pain and that moment between them cannot be overlooked just on this basis that she was depressed and wanted someone to say "sab theek hojayega" but something more happened in that moment, they got close, very close actually, or should I rather say it was RV who got really close to happy and happy too for a moment was carried away and didn't wince on his touch or felt awkward but suddenly she turned around and ran away, probably not because RV was already booked but because of the physical proximity or because unintentionally she did something that shouldn't have happened and even being his friend she should stay in her limits(FROM HAPPY'S POV)maybe it was the first time in her three years friendship with RV that happy got this close to RV not because she wanted too, but because she had no control over it ,and all this situation was taken for granted later, like"haan doston kay beech mein toh yeh sab hota rehta hai, mera dost hai mein pareshaan thi so I hugged him" and at the same moment when she got a call from RV she didn't attend it, what a cliffhanger!!! and I am still hanging, because unfortunately this angle was not considered important by the cvs, they should have never shot that scene, it now just look like we want to stuff clothes in an already full luggage bag, such a beautiful scene but I feel it is wasted, even if it is one sided love, happy's take on situation was really important, even for a second atleast I would not mind her thinking that RV is booked but atleast we had a right to know her take on the whole situation or moment whatever we call it.that's what my blabbering is all about aunty, remember post leap scene" tumhare chehray se meri nazar hati hi nahi" now would any man would say this bas aweyein??? she just looked at him and find his eyes fixed on her and yet she got back to her sardar ji jhaap, that's the most frustrating part!!!@Jareth:Now keeping aside everything, let's just say that happy is mysterious especially after the leap and wanted to keep things to her but despite of all this she's still a human ,she's not the bubbly happy anymore agreed because rocky's betrayal has torn her apart but how can that stop someone from reacting to something very obvious, that thing is annoying, and if I defend your "she doesn't want to..." point then again I will become my own critic and ask myself were roha each other's mirror??? and even if something really strong existed between them why didn't happy believe rocky and gave him a chance to prove his innocence, earlier she was confused but later she testified against rocky,as for being happy trying to be mysterious, then it's all the more reason she should wear many layers and shades instead of same one weepy expression!!!If something more stronger and even beyond love existed between roha, then happy can be shown thinking that she can never love or think about loving someone else, she loved someone and she was betrayed, she could think about all those things RV said to her and the moments she spent with him so we can be relieved that happy did think about RV but cannot love him because she loves rocky despite of what he did to her.

See, Anamika, here everyone is, parsing Happy's character in 9 columns, like we used to do with sentences in our English grammar classes.

At the same time, Jareth and all the other Gul Khan University graduates - of whom you are one - keep a wary eye over their shoulder for drastic and unpleasant character remodellings and plot shifts.

For me, there is simply no point in worrying about any of this, or the consistency of the characters either. See, the near kiss scene apart, what about the bit where RV bares his heart to Happy, and says "Main tum.se jud gaya hoon, Happy"? After listening to that too with a (possibly deliberately) blank face, Happy could hardly be in any doubt about RV's feelings for her.

Which is why I said that she doesn't want to know it.

I am now inclined to say, like Rhett Butler at the end of Gone with the Wind, "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn!".I am glad I am getting out!

Take care of yourself, Anamika, and God bless.

Shyamala Aunty

Awww aunty it has been a absolute delight conversing with you on this forum and it made my day to read how much you liked my post. That is the highest compliment one can receive (especially someone who is passionate about their writing. Thank you so much! To be honest you remind me of Miss Marple, a character from Agatha Christie's books and the way you write your POVs are an absolute pleasure to read ^_^

As far as specialization is concerned, I have not really decided yet but psychiatry does seem interesting. So far I've been considering internal medicine but a lot of people decide during their house jobs and I'm hoping I'll be more certain then.

And yes now that you point it out, your comparison of the group to that in sense and sensibility, it's spot on! Obviously not completely but there is definitely that under current of similarity.

RV I feel is somewhat similar to Harvey dent from the dark knight."You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain"

These words very aptly summarize RV. Especially since Harvey dent too was initially the white knight. The man of the hour. Which made his corruption all the more tragic.

Please do tell me your opinions on north and south when you're done watching /reading it. Can't wait to discuss it with you!
Till then please do take care of your health :)