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I'm usually incredibly selective about the shows I watch. Often I find myself leaving a show midway when it fails to keep my interest. Gul Khan tends to make a good first 100-150 episodes and then her shows go downhill. I was a huge fan of her show Geet. I tried IPKKND but I just couldn't. There wasn't enough depth to the characters for me to enjoy it. There wasn't enough of a storyline and I need strong plots in my shows. I need an intriguing plot, a villain with shades. Not just evil for heck of it. Qubool hai was barely tolerable and Ishqbaaz was funny but that's all it was. Funny but not much of a story except that which had been recycled from her other shows (no offence to the fans as I am aware that IB has a huge fanbase and I admit that surbhi is a very good actress. This is solely my opinion). Given my history with Gul khan's shows I did not think I would ever watch this show. I remember coming across clips of the scene in which Rocky kidnaps happy. I was absolutely shocked and when I looked up the show and saw that it was a gul khan show, I resigned myself to steering clear of it (at this point I had seen nothing of the show other than the clips of that particular scene on IG). But the the Ian somerhalder similarities, the scene in jail where rocky thinks about revenge made me think oh what the heck. Plus I had exams and I needed something mindless to destress. I thought this would be the perfect show for this. Boy was I wrong about this show being simple.
First of all: Rocky. I don't know why but I see very little in the way of appreciating ansh and his performance. Might have missed those threads but all i see are threads applauding rohit and none on ansh who is doing an incredible job. Rocky is a very very difficult character to pull off. It is to Ansh's credit that he made us feel precisely what we are supposed to. I hated him initially. Then I wanted to get into the screen and shake some sense into him, and then he became this endearing character. The transition, the fact that I was able to like a character I hated, I must applaud the actor for his portrayal. He is definitely not the typical Gul khan male lead. He has so many dimensions, so many layers and the reason I can see those layers is because of the actor. The dance sequence (the first one at Anaya's birthday) was absolutely breath taking. Ansh has very expressive eyes and I almost cried in the scene kulwant revealed that he was not his son. The scene was beautifully done. And I like his portrayal of shaan. He went from a man who wore his emotions for all to see to a man who kept them muted. Its very well done on his part and the fact that he looks like Ian somerhalder is uncanny.😆

Coming to Happy. I love jasmine's portrayal. I always had an issue with gul khan's female protagonists forcing their opinion on the male protagonists as if their opinion is the only one that can be right (ahem khushi). Except for geet of course. Happy gives her opinions but she does it in such a way that it does not seem like she's hammering it on your head or trying to shove it down rocky's throat. She says what she thinks and then steps back and lets him think for himself. It's not about her being right or making sure things are her way. She actually listens to others. Admits when shes wrong uses logic. This is the original happy. And one that blossomed even more when she began working with rrocky. Their partnership is bebeautiful. The way both of them respected what the other had to say. The way they work together is brilliant. But what is even better is the fact that though they complement each other and have excellent teamwork, they are not wholly depending on each other. They are strong together yes but they retain their strength because the two of them have individuality.
Happy is wonderfully portrayed by jasmine. Every conflict happy feels can be read in the eyes because jasmine translates the emotions so well. She makes the character endearing whereas it might have been annoying and grating if done by someone else. Jasmine understands the character and hence it's done so well. I liked her acting in tashan e ishq too though I left that show pretty early.
Coming to RV. The character is grey like rocky. But rocky is what he is. While rv is someone who is a hypocrite. And yet rohit does so well that you feel his angst. But that still does not mean he is not a hypocrite. In terms of character, I feel rocky is better because people like rv are more dangerous. People like rv ensure that criminals run free. It starts with a family member and then it gets bigger and bigger. People like rv have a bigger responsibility because we depend on them to deliver justice to us.

My take on the post leap story is that happy becoming somewhat bland is intentional. We know what the RoHa combination does to the respective characters. And now we see that postleap happy is dependent on rv entirely. Happy aand rocky brought out the best in one another because they pushed each other in a way only they can. Rv makes happy weak and he is weak himself with her. They do not bring out the best in each other which is why I believe rv does not stand a chance. I would rather see the typical gul khan hero (RV) become the villain. The man was with anaya for crying out loud. He will dump happy without a thought for someone else too if this is how he treated someone he was with for years.
I do wish that rocky did not include happy in his revenge. I wish the writer could have shown him accepting that his past actions could not be so easily swept under a rug and forgotten by happy. I wish they could have shown him understanding that happy had a right to doubt him.
But i definitely don't think that rv will be the hero. His betrayal is too big. Kudos to rohit for doing justice to the character but I don't see him as anything but the villain. At least rocky was honest with happy be it his hatred or his friendhip. Also rocky never mollycoddled happy and she never did the same either. They are the true powerhouse couple in my opinion
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Posted: 6 years ago
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very nice post
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Ansh is doing very incredible job
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"Given my history with Gul khan's shows I did not think I would ever watch this show."
Same here. I stay away from Gul shows as far as possible. Unlike you, I was a crazy IPK fan. In fact, the sole reason joining I-F is IPK. I was a very active member if IPK forum. I did watch her other shows here and there but never followed them like the reasons you stated.

"Rocky. I don't know why but I see very little in the way of appreciating ansh and his performance. Might have missed those threads but all i see are threads applauding rohit and none on ansh who is doing an incredible job. Rocky is a very very difficult character to pull off. It is to Ansh's credit that he made us feel precisely what we are supposed to. I hated him initially. Then I wanted to get into the screen and shake some sense into him, and then he became this endearing character. The transition, the fact that I was able to like a character I hated, I must applaud the actor for his portrayal. He is definitely not the typical Gul khan male lead. He has so many dimensions, so many layers and the reason I can see those layers is because of the actor. The dance sequence (the first one at Anaya's birthday) was absolutely breath taking. Ansh has very expressive eyes and I almost cried in the scene kulwant revealed that he was not his son. The scene was beautifully done."
I tell you an interesting thing. I started watching this show only for Jasmine because I simply love her. However, I got hooked because of Rocky, needless to say Ansh as Rocky. He was cruel, extremely negative, did worse things than all Gul MLs combined, yet I couldn't stop myself following the show because he was that convincing as Rocky. I jokingly say he's a natural gunda.😆 Even after his transformation, he was very endearing as you said. All in all he is very natural when it comes to play Rocky.
This forum has more RP fans because RP is a very good actor, an experienced one. He is doing a fabulous job as RV. Check his emotional transitions. I haven't watched any RP shows before. I find him a mature actor who knows the subtlety of a character. Ansh is a newbie. Ansh is a good actor too. It is just that as much as we like his performance as Rocky I personally think he is not that smooth with Shaan. Somehow he lacks there. I will prefer that emotion-driven, carefree, impulsive Rocky any day over this poetic Shaan. Because Ansh sold me there! We blame CVs for this sudden leap as the show has just started! Yes, Ansh has extremely emotive eyes. I have been a fan of his expressive eyes since the beginning.. And these eyes express more than words do when he is Rocky.

"Happy is wonderfully portrayed by jasmine. Every conflict happy feels can be read in the eyes because jasmine translates the emotions so well. She makes the character endearing whereas it might have been annoying and grating if done by someone else. Jasmine understands the character and hence it's done so well. I liked her acting in tashan e ishq too though I left that show pretty early.s
As I told you I started watching this only for Jasmine because she's a very very good actor.

"Coming to RV. The character is grey like rocky. But rocky is what he is. While rv is someone who is a hypocrite. And yet rohit does so well that you feel his angst. But that still does not mean he is not a hypocrite. In terms of character, I feel rocky is better because people like rv are more dangerous. People like rv ensure that criminals run free. It starts with a family member and then it gets bigger and bigger. People like rv have a bigger responsibility because we depend on them to deliver justice to us."
Agree on that. RV is a different kind of character. He started off being a sane, mature and positive person, eventually turning out to be a villain. I hope he plays a very calculative and smart villain, not a random one we come across on every show. Because RV is shrewd so he can really be a competitive villain who gives nightmares to the male lead with his every move. Rocky is all heart. Whatever he is, is all in open. As Shaan, he is calculative. RV-Shaan rivalry is actually I look forward to given a good script.

"My take on the post leap story is that happy becoming somewhat bland is intentional. We know what the RoHa combination does to the respective characters. And now we see that postleap happy is dependent on rv entirely. Happy aand rocky brought out the best in one another because they pushed each other in a way only they can. Rv makes happy weak and he is weak himself with her. They do not bring out the best in each other which is why I believe rv does not stand a chance. I would rather see the typical gul khan hero (RV) become the villain. The man was with anaya for crying out loud. He will dump happy without a thought for someone else too if this is how he treated someone he was with for years."
I hope whatever you are saying is the actual case. Because dude! I am tired of watching this weak, support seeking, weeping Happy everyday when it is supposed to be an independent, happy-soul female lead who fixes all the problems of her life.

"I do wish that rocky did not include happy in his revenge. I wish the writer could have shown him accepting that his past actions could not be so easily swept under a rug and forgotten by happy. I wish they could have shown him understanding that happy had a right to doubt him."
If only the CVs had thought through this!! They rushed up everything. By 3 months, the show witnessed hatred, kidnap, a forced marriage, a death, a change of heart, partnership, affection, leap and major transformation. Can you imagine!

But i definitely don't think that rv will be the hero. His betrayal is too big. Kudos to rohit for doing justice to the character but I don't see him as anything but the villain. At least rocky was honest with happy be it his hatred or his friendhip. Also rocky never mollycoddled happy and she never did the same either. They are the true powerhouse couple in my opinion."
Agreed, RV is the villain which I predicted since his first crime of putting Rocky in jail, still hoped CVs to do something different. Big sigh!

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Posted: 6 years ago
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A very interesting take on the show.

I don't know if you are, like me and my young friend Anamika (Perfect Start) here, an Austenite. If you are, what I am going to say will amuse you. If not, you can skip it!

The opening part of your post reminded me of the scene in Pride and Prejudice, where Miss Bingley and Darcy are listing out the many essential (in their thinking) qualities of an accomplished woman. Elizabeth Bennett responds with "I am no longer surprised at your knowing only six accomplished women. I now rather wonder at your knowing any!"

Similarly, I wonder at someone as fastidious as you having found a show that pleases you so much, but I am also glad for you.

My views about the show - I almost never watch socials, had no idea who Gul Khan was before my young friends here took pity on my ignorance 😉, and had never seen Jasmine Bhasin either - are so much at variance from yours that I shall not inflict them on you.

But I wish the very best for Ansh. He has had a rough time in his early youth and must have struggled hard to, finally, make it. He deserves sustained success, and I hope this show provides him with a good launch pad.

I would like to make just one point. There is, as yet, no basis on which it can be inferred and asserted that RV is going to make a habit of framing innocents and letting criminals go off scot free. Any more than that Rocky would make a habit of kidnapping girls and torturing them.

Whatever is said about RV before the leap indicates the opposite. He is portrayed as a lawyer who has built up an enviable reputation fighting for the right and for justice. Anaya is the same, and their closeness and friendship are as much professional as personal.

Persons who are engaged do at times drift apart, just as married persons do; if this was not the case, why would there be so many divorces? It is not a crime for fiances to break up. Nor can one infer from it that the man, or woman, is going to make a habit of it.

Also, if RV had been as besotted with Anaya as he now is, most unfortunately, with Happy, they would have got married long ago. That they didn't leads one to infer that whatever both of them might have indicated in public, it was a relationship based more on liking and compatibility, at least on his side, than on passionate love.

Possibly on her side as well, for the little that I have seen of her - I came in only around episode 45- there was no indication of any warm affection for RV, only a casual possessiveness, and a slight sense of superiority. It is only now, when he seems to be slipping away, that she talks of loving him.

Coming to the Ranveer issue, RV commits, not a galti but a gunaah, in a moment of emotional weakness. The guilt torments him all these three years, and at one point he tells Grover "Mujhe uski keemat chukani padegi."

Now, apart from the professional risk of exposure, there is also, for him, the vital Happy factor, the obsessive need not to lose her goodwill. He is sinking into a quicksand, largely of his own making, and is beginning to panic

The survival instinct has throttled the"small, still voice of conscience" inside him.

This is the stuff of Greek tragedy, and it is but appropriate that it is the Greek goddess of retribution, Nemesis, whose steps RV now hears, closing in on him.

I have very grave doubts about the ability of the CVs to bring out the nuances, the inner torments, of a such a doomed character. That would call for an Euripides or a Sophocles, and here we have Gul Khan. Which is why I feel that Rohit made a mistake in accepting this role after his splendid Alexander. But that too was probably fated.

Shyamala Cowsik

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Originally posted by: ShadeOfWhite

"Given my history with Gul khan's shows I did not think I would ever watch this show."

Same here. I stay away from Gul shows as far as possible. Unlike you, I was a crazy IPK fan. In fact, the sole reason joining I-F is IPK. I was a very active member if IPK forum. I did watch her other shows here and there but never followed them like the reasons you stated.

"Rocky. I don't know why but I see very little in the way of appreciating ansh and his performance. Might have missed those threads but all i see are threads applauding rohit and none on ansh who is doing an incredible job. Rocky is a very very difficult character to pull off. It is to Ansh's credit that he made us feel precisely what we are supposed to. I hated him initially. Then I wanted to get into the screen and shake some sense into him, and then he became this endearing character. The transition, the fact that I was able to like a character I hated, I must applaud the actor for his portrayal. He is definitely not the typical Gul khan male lead. He has so many dimensions, so many layers and the reason I can see those layers is because of the actor. The dance sequence (the first one at Anaya's birthday) was absolutely breath taking. Ansh has very expressive eyes and I almost cried in the scene kulwant revealed that he was not his son. The scene was beautifully done."
I tell you an interesting thing. I started watching this show only for Jasmine because I simply love her. However, I got hooked because of Rocky, needless to say Ansh as Rocky. He was cruel, extremely negative, did worse things than all Gul MLs combined, yet I couldn't stop myself following the show because he was that convincing as Rocky. I jokingly say he's a natural gunda. 😆 Even after his transformation, he was very endearing as you said. All in all he is very natural when it comes to play Rocky.
This forum has more RP fans because RP is a very good actor, an experienced one. He is doing a fabulous job as RV. Check his emotional transitions. I haven't watched any RP shows before. I find him a mature actor who knows the subtlety of a character. Ansh is a newbie. Ansh is a good actor too. It is just that as much as we like his performance as Rocky I personally think he is not that smooth with Shaan. Somehow he lacks there. I will prefer that emotion-driven, carefree, impulsive Rocky any day over this poetic Shaan. Because Ansh sold me there! We blame CVs for this sudden leap as the show has just started! Yes, Ansh has extremely emotive eyes. I have been a fan of his expressive eyes since the beginning.. And these eyes express more than words do when he is Rocky.

"Happy is wonderfully portrayed by jasmine. Every conflict happy feels can be read in the eyes because jasmine translates the emotions so well. She makes the character endearing whereas it might have been annoying and grating if done by someone else. Jasmine understands the character and hence it's done so well. I liked her acting in tashan e ishq too though I left that show pretty early.s
As I told you I started watching this only for Jasmine because she's a very very good actor.

"Coming to RV. The character is grey like rocky. But rocky is what he is. While rv is someone who is a hypocrite. And yet rohit does so well that you feel his angst. But that still does not mean he is not a hypocrite. In terms of character, I feel rocky is better because people like rv are more dangerous. People like rv ensure that criminals run free. It starts with a family member and then it gets bigger and bigger. People like rv have a bigger responsibility because we depend on them to deliver justice to us."
Agree on that. RV is a different kind of character. He started off being a sane, mature and positive person, eventually turning out to be a villain. I hope he plays a very calculative and smart villain, not a random one we come across on every show. Because RV is shrewd so he can really be a competitive villain who gives nightmares to the male lead with his every move. Rocky is all heart. Whatever he is, is all in open. As Shaan, he is calculative. RV-Shaan rivalry is actually I look forward to given a good script.

"My take on the post leap story is that happy becoming somewhat bland is intentional. We know what the RoHa combination does to the respective characters. And now we see that postleap happy is dependent on rv entirely. Happy aand rocky brought out the best in one another because they pushed each other in a way only they can. Rv makes happy weak and he is weak himself with her. They do not bring out the best in each other which is why I believe rv does not stand a chance. I would rather see the typical gul khan hero (RV) become the villain. The man was with anaya for crying out loud. He will dump happy without a thought for someone else too if this is how he treated someone he was with for years."
I hope whatever you are saying is the actual case. Because dude! I am tired of watching this weak, support seeking, weeping Happy everyday when it is supposed to be an independent, happy-soul female lead who fixes all the problems of her life.

"I do wish that rocky did not include happy in his revenge. I wish the writer could have shown him accepting that his past actions could not be so easily swept under a rug and forgotten by happy. I wish they could have shown him understanding that happy had a right to doubt him."
If only the CVs had thought through this!! They rushed up everything. By 3 months, the show witnessed hatred, kidnap, a forced marriage, a death, a change of heart, partnership, affection, leap and major transformation. Can you imagine!

But i definitely don't think that rv will be the hero. His betrayal is too big. Kudos to rohit for doing justice to the character but I don't see him as anything but the villain. At least rocky was honest with happy be it his hatred or his friendhip. Also rocky never mollycoddled happy and she never did the same either. They are the true powerhouse couple in my opinion."
Agreed, RV is the villain which I predicted since his first crime of putting Rocky in jail, still hoped CVs to do something different. Big sigh!


I agree with everything you've said and yes the show has been unnaturally fast paced for a Indian show and due to that, there are moments where the transition has not been as smooth as it would have been had the writer and director taken some time with the plot. But kudos to the actors for making it seem so convincing despite all that.
The reason I think Happy being shown to be weaker is the parallel i saw in two scenes, pre and post leap. Pre leap when the cake disaster occurred during Anaya's birthday, happy handled it so well. She did not need rocky's help. His support made her confident yes. He knew precisely what to do and say in respond to what happy said. The two of them did not have to tell each other what to do. They were spontaneous and in sync. The support t hat they had of each helped them but they did not depend on one another wholly. They could handle it.
Then we come to the scene in which rocky introduced fumes through the vents. The happy that was with rocky would have handled it no problem. The happy with RV panicked and ran to him for help.
I'm not saying happy is strong only so long as she is with rocky. What I mean is that we all have people in our lives who have positive effect on us and we do better when we have them around. And there are people that maybe very nice but make us weaker by treating us delicately. Happy needs someone like rocky and rocky needs someone like happy.
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Nice observation.I have started to watch this show this month as a try .Then I saw it is GK's show.. 😆 .. I hooked this show mainly for Rocky aka Ansh..He is doing awesome job..RV and Happy are good ..happy is no-happy nowadays... 😆 ..story is too filmy but somehow I like the execution ...sply u mentioned leads are all human .. good but not GOD...with grey shades...
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

A very interesting take on the show.


know if you are, like me and my young friend Anamika (Perfect Start) here, an Austenite. If you are, what I am going to say will amuse you. If not, you can skip it!

The opening part of your post reminded me of the scene in Pride and Prejudice, where Miss Bingley and Darcy are listing out the many essential (in their thinking) qualities of an accomplished woman. Elizabeth Bennett responds with "I am no longer surprised at your knowing only six accomplished women. I now rather wonder at your knowing any!"

Similarly, I wonder at someone as fastidious as you having found a show that pleases you so much, but I am also glad for you.

My views about the show - I almost never watch socials, had no idea who Gul Khan was before my young friends here took pity on my ignorance 😉, and had never seen Jasmine Bhasin either - are so much at variance from yours that I shall not inflict them on you.

But I wish the very best for Ansh. He has had a rough time in his early youth and must have struggled hard to, finally, make it. He deserves sustained success, and I hope this show provides him with a good launch pad.

I would like to make just one point. There is, as yet, no basis on which it can be inferred and asserted that RV is going to make a habit of framing innocents and letting criminals go off scot free. Any more than that Rocky would make a habit of kidnapping girls and torturing them.

Whatever is said about RV before the leap indicates the opposite. He is portrayed as a lawyer who has built up an enviable reputation fighting for the right and for justice. Anaya is the same, and their closeness and friendship are as much professional as personal.

Persons who are engaged do at times drift apart, just as married persons do; if this was not the case, why would there be so many divorces? It is not a crime for fiances to break up. Nor can one infer from it that the man, or woman, is going to make a habit of it.

Also, if RV had been as besotted with Anaya as he now is, most unfortunately, with Happy, they would have got married long ago. That they didn't leads one to infer that whatever both of them might have indicated in public, it was a relationship based more on liking and compatibility, at least on his side, than on passionate love.

Possibly on her side as well, for the little that I have seen of her - I came in only around episode 45- there was no indication of any warm affection for RV, only a casual possessiveness, and a slight sense of superiority. It is only now, when he seems to be slipping away, that she talks of loving him.

Coming to the Ranveer issue, RV commits, not a galti but a gunaah, in a moment of emotional weakness. The guilt torments him all these three years, and at one point he tells Grover "Mujhe uski keemat chukani padegi."

Now, apart from the professional risk of exposure, there is also, for him, the vital Happy factor, the obsessive need not to lose her goodwill. He is sinking into a quicksand, largely of his own making, and is beginning to panic

The survival instinct has throttled the"small, still voice of conscience" inside him.

This is the stuff of Greek tragedy, and it is but appropriate that it is the Greek goddess of retribution, Nemesis, whose steps RV now hears, closing in on him.

I have very grave doubts about the ability of the CVs to bring out the nuances, the inner torments, of a such a doomed character. That would call for an Euripides or a Sophocles, and here we have Gul Khan. Which is why I feel that Rohit made a mistake in accepting this role after his splendid Alexander. But that too was probably fated.

Shyamala Cowsik


Yes I do happen to be an Austenite and P&P happens to be my favourite one. Mr. Darcy is my favourite male protagonists along with Mr. Rochester :)
However, your use of this particular scene, this particular line from the book is incorrect here. I was not talking about the vast majority of shows I watch. Only the gul khan ones. I am not an indian. I watch shows from different countries and my criticism was not about shows as a whole. I was talking about Gul khan and her shows in particular. Had you been familiar with her work, you would have known that her shows always consist of recycled content. Hence I was pleasantly surprised that this show has a different male lead ad compared to the typical gul khan lead. Rocky is not what her heroes are usually like. Watch her shows and you'll see that nearly all of them had basically the same kind of male protagonist. Rich, always calm, makes the girls swoon, speaks in fluent English, is the CEO of a company, arrogant, dedicated to his job, usually had a past relationship which resulted in him becoming cynical about pursuing further relationships OR is currently in a relationship solely because he has and understanding with the girl. So I was intrigued with rocky as he is someehat different from her usual. Happy is pretty much consistent with Gul's previous heroines. She is slightly more logical and not entirely dependent on the hero (at this point I'm assuming that its rocky).

My criticism of past gul khan shows aside, coming to RV...okay RV and Anaya did not 'drift apart' as you put it. He was attracted to happy even when he stated to be very much in love with anaya. Anaya is not just someone he met recently and began dating just for the heck of it. They are friends turned lovers. They live together. That cannot be so easily brushed away. Engagement should not be taken so lightly. No one forced anaya onto rv. He chose to be with her. He said he loved her. And then he stares at a pretty girl in a black saaree on the birthday of his so called beloved. He stared at happy during the holi episode as well.
Regarding his guilt...I don't see it. Had they showed RV secretly helping happy, not facing her because of his guilt, I would have felt his turmoil. Would have felt his angst, his guilt. As it is, all I see is a man who was shameless enough to befriend happy, who's sister was molested by the brother he protected, but also has the audacity to become her trusted confidante. The man is dangerous. Oh he may say that he feels guilty. But he really doesn't. What man would behave as he doing so if they were guilty? He has inserted himself into happy and smiley's lives knowing the truth. He has kept them in the dark. He knows that happy and rocky shared a bond and he so cruelly destroyed it because he was too much of a coward to turn his brother in. Rocky is flawed. He tortured happy and I never thought I would root for him. But rocky has one thing to his credit that rv does not. Rocky has always been straight with happy. Happy knows precisely what he is. He did not deceive her. Even now his new look is not about deception but about getting back at those who betrayed him. While rv...what is his motive? Why is he close to happy? How can he face her knowing what he took from her? Rocky was a bad man. But his change was seen. The way he took care of happy, brought out the best in her, RV has never managed to do so. Rv is a true villain and an interesting one because he is not evil. He is capable of feeling guilty but he continues to do what he's doing. That's the difference between the villain and hero in this tv show. The hero feels guilty and changes himself. The villain is capable of feeling guilt because he is human. But he does not do anything about the wrong he did. You said there's no guarantee rocky won't kidnap more girls? That's your answer. Rocky felt the guilt and acted on it. He changed. He will not go back to man he was before because he hated himself enough to destroy the old him. RV feels the guilt. But what does he do about it? In these three years he could have let the guilt steer him to the right path. He didn't. So yes people like RV are more dangerous because they save people like ranveer, feel guilty because obviously we are human, but won't ever have the courage to do something about it. And so people like ranveer will walk free. We depend on people like RV to administer justice. When they fail to do so, people like ranveer will only get the license to wreak more havoc. What rv did cannot be so easily forgiven because his deception spans three years. He's a coward. Rocky is a lot of things. But he not a coward. It took courage to fight the uglier part of himself.
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I am afraid you have not read my post properly. Or else you would not interpret me as having said that there was no guarantee that Rocky would not make a habit of kidnapping girls and torturing them. In fact what I wrote was the exact opposite, as you will see if you read that para again.

What I said was that there is, as yet, no basis for assuming that RV would become a serial framer of innocents and protector of the guilty..To do so would be like expecting that Rocky would be a serial.kidnapper and torturer of girls.

This apart, while I did not know that RV and Anaya were living together, that doesn't affect my basic argument. Even people who live together, in or out of matrimony,.do drift apart and split up. Or one of them might fall victim to a coup de foudre that overwhelms that person without warning. These things happen. And as I noted, whatever they might both have said, it did not seem to me that either Anaya or Rocky shared a grand passion.

And while I hold no.brief for RV, who is criminally weak and falls because of that very weakness, I don't see why he should have gone into purdah, so.to speak, and helped Happy only by stealth.In any case, he is hardly alone in this Save Happy mission, Grover is there shoulder to shoulder with him. In fact, I have often wondered what Grover thinks of his protege's involvement with Happy. He doesn't seem to suspect that RV is straying at all.

As for the rest, I would have perhaps written something more, but my rheumatic fingers are no longer co-operating, so we shall just have to agree to disagree civilly.

I am glad there is one more Austenite here, they are none too common. But then I have not frequented too many forums. My list of favourite male characters would also include Darcy and Rochester, and Heathcliff as well.

Shyamala Cowsik
(or, if you like,. Shyamala Aunty, as most folk here call me, for I am over 70)

Originally posted by: Jareth


Yes I do happen to be an Austenite and P&P happens to be my favourite one. Mr. Darcy is my favourite male protagonists along with Mr. Rochester :)
However, your use of this particular scene, this particular line from the book is incorrect here. I was not talking about the vast majority of shows I watch. Only the gul khan ones. I am not an indian. I watch shows from different countries and my criticism was not about shows as a whole. I was talking about Gul khan and her shows in particular. Had you been familiar with her work, you would have known that her shows always consist of recycled content. Hence I was pleasantly surprised that this show has a different male lead ad compared to the typical gul khan lead. Rocky is not what her heroes are usually like. Watch her shows and you'll see that nearly all of them had basically the same kind of male protagonist. Rich, always calm, makes the girls swoon, speaks in fluent English, is the CEO of a company, arrogant, dedicated to his job, usually had a past relationship which resulted in him becoming cynical about pursuing further relationships OR is currently in a relationship solely because he has and understanding with the girl. So I was intrigued with rocky as he is someehat different from her usual. Happy is pretty much consistent with Gul's previous heroines. She is slightly more logical and not entirely dependent on the hero (at this point I'm assuming that its rocky).

My criticism of past gul khan shows aside, coming to RV...okay RV and Anaya did not 'drift apart' as you put it. He was attracted to happy even when he stated to be very much in love with anaya. Anaya is not just someone he met recently and began dating just for the heck of it. They are friends turned lovers. They live together. That cannot be so easily brushed away. Engagement should not be taken so lightly. No one forced anaya onto rv. He chose to be with her. He said he loved her. And then he stares at a pretty girl in a black saaree on the birthday of his so called beloved. He stared at happy during the holi episode as well.
Regarding his guilt...I don't see it. Had they showed RV secretly helping happy, not facing her because of his guilt, I would have felt his turmoil. Would have felt his angst, his guilt. As it is, all I see is a man who was shameless enough to befriend happy, who's sister was molested by the brother he protected, but also has the audacity to become her trusted confidante. The man is dangerous. Oh he may say that he feels guilty. But he really doesn't. What man would behave as he doing so if they were guilty? He has inserted himself into happy and smiley's lives knowing the truth. He has kept them in the dark. He knows that happy and rocky shared a bond and he so cruelly destroyed it because he was too much of a coward to turn his brother in. Rocky is flawed. He tortured happy and I never thought I would root for him. But rocky has one thing to his credit that rv does not. Rocky has always been straight with happy. Happy knows precisely what he is. He did not deceive her. Even now his new look is not about deception but about getting back at those who betrayed him. While rv...what is his motive? Why is he close to happy? How can he face her knowing what he took from her? Rocky was a bad man. But his change was seen. The way he took care of happy, brought out the best in her, RV has never managed to do so. Rv is a true villain and an interesting one because he is not evil. He is capable of feeling guilty but he continues to do what he's doing. That's the difference between the villain and hero in this tv show. The hero feels guilty and changes himself. The villain is capable of feeling guilt because he is human. But he does not do anything about the wrong he did. You said there's no guarantee rocky won't kidnap more girls? That's your answer. Rocky felt the guilt and acted on it. He changed. He will not go back to man he was before because he hated himself enough to destroy the old him. RV feels the guilt. But what does he do about it? In these three years he could have let the guilt steer him to the right path. He didn't. So yes people like RV are more dangerous because they save people like ranveer, feel guilty because obviously we are human, but won't ever have the courage to do something about it. And so people like ranveer will walk free. We depend on people like RV to administer justice. When they fail to do so, people like ranveer will only get the license to wreak more havoc. What rv did cannot be so easily forgiven because his deception spans three years. He's a coward. Rocky is a lot of things. But he not a coward. It took courage to fight the uglier part of himself.

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Originally posted by: sashashyam

I am afraid you have not read my post properly. Or else you would not interpret me as having said that there was no guarantee that Rocky would not make a habit of kidnapping girls and torturing them. In fact what I wrote was the exact opposite, as you will see if you read that para again.


What I said was that there is, as yet, no basis for assuming that RV would become a serial framer of innocents and protector of the guilty..To do so would be like expecting that Rocky would be a serial.kidnapper and torturer of girls.

This apart, while I did not know that RV and Anaya were living together, that doesn't affect my basic argument. Even people who live together, in or out of matrimony,.do drift apart and split up. Or one of them might fall victim to a coup de foudre that overwhelms that person without warning. These things happen. And as I noted, whatever they might both have said, it did not seem to me that either Anaya or Rocky shared a grand passion.

And while I hold no.brief for RV, who is criminally weak and falls because of that very weakness, I don't see why he should have gone into purdah, so.to speak, and helped Happy only by stealth.In any case, he is hardly alone in this Save Happy mission, Grover is there shoulder to shoulder with him. In fact, I have often wondered what Grover thinks of his protege's involvement with Happy. He doesn't seem to suspect that RV is straying at all.

As for the rest, I would have perhaps written something more, but my rheumatic fingers are no longer co-operating, so we shall just have to agree to disagree civilly.

I am glad there is one more Austenite here, they are none too common. But then I have not frequented too many forums. My list of favourite male characters would also include Darcy and Rochester, and Heathcliff as well.

Shyamala Cowsik
(or, if you like,. Shyamala Aunty, as most folk here call me, for I am over 70)


Ah yes I apologize I did indeed misread what you wrote in my haste to reply and the fact that I was on call at the hospital (I am a final year medical student months from graduation).
I read on another post that you had not watched the show from the beginning, only from the point where rv entered the show. I can understand that you watch the show for your favourite actor and he's doing an excellent job but I think we should separate the actor from the character because so far RV is a pretty horrible person for staying with happy despite what his brother did. That's what I mean when I say I would babe understood better had he stayed away from sight, and helped happy secretly If he had to help her at all. Not saying happy needs help, I'm just saying that if the whole help happy angle had to be put in, they could have shown it like this. My point is: how can he face her? How can he fall for her and not feel an ounce of guilt? How can he see her everyday, talk to her sister everyday and still have no shame? He is not at all guilty because his action are contradictory. He says he can't live with himself because he put an innocent man in jail? Yet he is afraid that shaan is rocky? Why? He's still protecting his brother. If rocky is revealed, RV won't come clean. He'll put him in jail again. His regret does not run far enough for him to actually do something about it. The same with anaya. He told her their bond was something else. He lived with her. He planned on marrying her. And obviously the show could not show alot of passion between anaya and rv considering they had limited time before the leap. but the love was very much there between them. it was a subtle kind though. (but who knows maybe it if they had not jumped to a leap so soon, the relationship could have been better explored.) Then he leaves her and for what? For happy? He saw what happy and rocky shared. He took that away from them. His guilt is very superficial. and that is why i believe that rv would do this again and again. rocky had genuine regret and guilt. he waged an internal war and won. rv on the other hand has shown no inclination to do so despite seeing a reminder of what his actions caused. he destroyed two families and he thinks simply sticking to happy is gonna cut it? nope. not unless he mans up and exposes his brother of his own violation.
But the actor does a superb job. He's charming as RV but he's also frightening because this particular villain is not cartoonishly evil. Gul khan ruins her shows yes but she's capable of putting depth in her shows (her show geet had some amazing dialogues) so I have hopes that this show will be good for at least 150 episodes. Maybe more. But she will ruin it eventually and there will be plots that make no sense but its just a show and good way to relax after a day of work :)
Nice talking to you aunty and please do take care of your rheumatoid arthritis. I'm aware that it is very painful
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I keep wondering the amount of time and emotion we fans invest in analysing or scrutinizing a character, do original Creatives think that deep? We fans make our own perception about a character and its relationship with other characters based on the scenes we get to watch. Fan to fan it varies, one viewer unravels a particular trait while other another one and it goes on. It's such a great experience to have a constructive discussion.

Aunty & Jareth, I loved your debate. It was healthy and constructive. I agree with both of you. It's just two different lookouts of a character. Both are right.

Jareth, please try to be regular in this forum. It's great to have you here. You pointed out some amazing facts.

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