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Posted: 13 years ago
#91
I am able to write below, because I am not a fan, who is emotionally attached to an actor... I am just a lame audience, who watches show and characters... Do not be offended by my assumptions, they are just assumptions and possibilities behind the scenario... No one knows the truth, except the one who makes the NEWS...

Coming back to the topic, well none of us knows what happens behind the scene... The real motives and projected ones are not ought to be the same... And I am a voracious news watcher... If someone makes a statement for his actions, then he is trying to make a statement to cover up for something else... maybe i am trying to read too much between the lines, maybe i am wrong... But there are chances that my hypothesis is right... And I do not know any actors personally as what kind of human beings they are, I only know them through their characters, so I can only make assumptions...

I personally refuse to believe that its creative issue or social message thing, that has prompted any of the male leads to take this decision...

Sorry to bring KVB here, but when his news of leaving the show came, at the same time his twitter updates were raving about his happiness regarding the upcoming track.. so to me it seemed more of a publicity gimmick... I do not think that 7 year leap was changed to 1 year due to KVB's quitting at all... because all the articles around 7 year leap were speculations, and no article had conformed the 7 year leap from any source related to the show (so far as I know)...

If HC is quitting because of social message, then he should have quitted long time back, as the show stopped being about DV long back... Again I may be wrong, because I am not just reading the article but between the lines... Till now as Fans claim, that HC's role has always been compromised in this show, maybe he also feels the same, or some fans made him feel that way... Also the new track post leap has more potential for KVB as an actor, because he get to play a challenging character which has lot of potential... While Raghav's character though has lot of story now, but does not have the X factor... I personally wonder if thats the reason... And he is just trying to be politically correct by quoting social issue as the reason...

Or is there something brewing between KVB and HC, just like their fans are on loggerhead, maybe they also are... Rivalry between actors is fairly common, its not something unheard of... Or maybe its fans who dictated their judgement and made them take this decision... as for long in this forum, I have seen many fans asking HC, or KVB, or Sriti to quit the show... No offence to any fans, but just forming my assumptions based on what i have been seeing... Maybe as HC fans often quoted that KVB is given lot of importance than HC by people involved in the show, and it might have become an Ego Issue. between the two actors, who knows, even they are human, and have desires and aspirations...

If anyone should be affected by the show moving away from DV issue, it should have been KVB, as he was a potent part of DV, being the perpetrator... Or Sriti who was the victim... these two were directly related to DV... Harshad came to support Sriti in this war and to make her character strong... And he did that and successfully put KVB's character behind bars... and gave Sriti's character a second lease of life, a lovely marriage... Sriti could be upset that her journey was missed... Only reason I personally see for Harshad is that his screen space and character was often compromised in front of KVB's character... and KVB's fan could say the same... And then as TV show goes on and on, and characters have to be kept together, so again KVB's character is back... and Harshad might feel threatened that KVB will again occupy more power in narrative than him...

I do not know HC or KVB as a person, but just know them through their roles... what and how they are in real life, i have no clue, so I can only make assumptions... Maybe I am trying to read a lot between the lines, but thats an old habit... I could be wrong, but then I can be right... Only if real news could ever make it to public, we will even know the truth... More than TV shows, its NEWS, that's fabricated these days...

What will an actor loose if the show gets affected, they walk out with hefty payments, but what about so many people working day in and night out on the show, who do not earn lakhs of rupees like actors... They end up suffering being jobless, the actor moves on from one green pasture to another... If any actor is in so much of guilt, that his role is causing social injustice, and he is forced on to pass a wrong social message, and he feels quagmired, then should he take the payment for the role that he is doing... Because that money is also cursed by plight of those domestic violence women, who are being claimed to be the motivation behind this decision... Many would argue that why should he, its his hard work money, he did his role honestly... So you enjoy all the luxuries offered w/o blinking, but abandon the ship that cruised you to here. that Oh I boarded the wrong ship...

SO PERSONALLY I DO NOT KNOW WHATS THE REAL REASON, BUT THE BAD NEWS IS THAT A SHOW, AND CHARACTERS THAT I PERSONALLY LIKE WILL SOON COME TO AN END, BECAUSE THE ACTORS ARE QUITTING... WHOM I LOVED IN THE ROLES THEY HAVE DISPLAYED... ITS DIFFERENT POV'S THAT WITH WHOM DOES THE BLAME LIE FOR THIS... CV'S, ACTORS, FANS, WRITERS, CHANNEL, PH... IT WILL ALWAYS BE DEBATABLE... BUT THE BAD NEWS IS THAT THE SHOW IS ABOUT TO END SOON... AND I DO NOT KNOW THE SOURCE OF TM, AND COULD NOT LOCATE IT PERSONALLY, BUT IF 30 NOVEMBER HE IS QUITTING, THAN THE SHOW MIGHT LAST TILL FIRST WEEK OF DECEMBER OR SAY MAX TILL 18 DECEMBER, WHEN IT COMPLETES AN YEAR...

AND I DO FEEL REALLY BAD ABOUT IT...

AND I AM REALLY SORRY IF MY ASSUMPTIONS/HYPOTHESIS HAVE HURT SOMEONE...
Edited by crazygod - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
#92

Originally posted by: crazygod

I am able to write below, because I am not a fan, who is emotionally attached to an actor... I am just a lame audience, who watches show and characters... Do not be offended by my assumptions, they are just assumptions and possibilities behind the scenario... No one knows the truth, except the one who makes the NEWS...

Coming back to the topic, well none of us knows what happens behind the scene... The real motives and projected ones are not ought to be the same... And I am a voracious news watcher... If someone makes a statement for his actions, then he is trying to make a statement to cover up for something else... maybe i am trying to read too much between the lines, maybe i am wrong... But there are chances that my hypothesis is right... And I do not know any actors personally as what kind of human beings they are, I only know them through their characters, so I can only make assumptions...

I personally refuse to believe that its creative issue or social message thing, that has prompted any of the male leads to take this decision...

Sorry to bring KVB here, but when his news of leaving the show came, at the same time his twitter updates were raving about his happiness regarding the upcoming track.. so to me it seemed more of a publicity gimmick... I do not think that 7 year leap was changed to 1 year due to KVB's quitting at all... because all the articles around 7 year leap were speculations, and no article had conformed the 7 year leap from any source related to the show (so far as I know)...

If HC is quitting because of social message, then he should have quitted long time back, as the show stopped being about DV long back... Again I may be wrong, because I am not just reading the article but between the lines... Till now as Fans claim, that HC's role has always been compromised in this show, maybe he also feels the same, or some fans made him feel that way... Also the new track post leap has more potential for KVB as an actor, because he get to play a challenging character which has lot of potential... While Raghav's character though has lot of story now, but does not have the X factor... I personally wonder if thats the reason... And he is just trying to be politically correct by quoting social issue as the reason...

Or is there something brewing between KVB and HC, just like their fans are on loggerhead, maybe they also are... Rivalry between actors is fairly common, its not something unheard of... Or maybe its fans who dictated their judgement and made them take this decision... as for long in this forum, I have seen many fans asking HC, or KVB, or Sriti to quit the show... No offence to any fans, but just forming my assumptions based on what i have been seeing... Maybe as HC fans often quoted that KVB is given lot of importance than HC by people involved in the show, and it might have become an Ego Issue. between the two actors, who knows, even they are human, and have desires and aspirations...

If anyone should be affected by the show moving away from DV issue, it should have been KVB, as he was a potent part of DV, being the perpetrator... Or Sriti who was the victim... these two were directly related to DV... Harshad came to support Sriti in this war and to make her character strong... And he did that and successfully put KVB's character behind bars... and gave Sriti's character a second lease of life, a lovely marriage... Sriti could be upset that her journey was missed... Only reason I personally see for Harshad is that his screen space and character was often compromised in front of KVB's character... and KVB's fan could say the same... And then as TV show goes on and on, and characters have to be kept together, so again KVB's character is back... and Harshad might feel threatened that KVB will again occupy more power in narrative than him...

I do not know HC or KVB as a person, but just know them through their roles... what and how they are in real life, i have no clue, so I can only make assumptions... Maybe I am trying to read a lot between the lines, but thats an old habit... I could be wrong, but then I can be right... Only if real news could ever make it to public, we will even know the truth... More than TV shows, its NEWS, that's fabricated these days...

What will an actor loose if the show gets affected, they walk out with hefty payments, but what about so many people working day in and night out on the show, who do not earn lakhs of rupees like actors... They end up suffering being jobless, the actor moves on from one green pasture to another... If any actor is in so much of guilt, that his role is causing social injustice, and he is forced on to pass a wrong social message, and he feels quagmired, then should he take the payment for the role that he is doing... Because that money is also cursed by plight of those domestic violence women, who are being claimed to be the motivation behind this decision... Many would argue that why should he, its his hard work money, he did his role honestly... So you enjoy all the luxuries offered w/o blinking, but abandon the ship that cruised you to here. that Oh I boarded the wrong ship...

SO PERSONALLY I DO NOT KNOW WHATS THE REAL REASON, BUT THE BAD NEWS IS THAT A SHOW, AND CHARACTERS THAT I PERSONALLY LIKE WILL SOON COME TO AN END, BECAUSE THE ACTORS ARE QUITTING... WHOM I LOVED IN THE ROLES THEY HAVE DISPLAYED... ITS DIFFERENT POV'S THAT WITH WHOM DOES THE BLAME LIE FOR THIS... CV'S, ACTORS, FANS, WRITERS, CHANNEL, PH... IT WILL ALWAYS BE DEBATABLE... BUT THE BAD NEWS IS THAT THE SHOW IS ABOUT TO END SOON... AND I DO NOT KNOW THE SOURCE OF TM, AND COULD NOT LOCATE IT PERSONALLY, BUT IF 30 NOVEMBER HE IS QUITTING, THAN THE SHOW MIGHT LAST TILL FIRST WEEK OF DECEMBER OR SAY MAX TILL 18 DECEMBER, WHEN IT COMPLETES AN YEAR...

AND I DO FEEL REALLY BAD ABOUT IT...

AND I AM REALLY SORRY IF MY ASSUMPTIONS/HYPOTHESIS HAVE HURT SOMEONE...




@red...i know and i hate it.it wasnt sooo fabricated b4...but now media is sooo delusional...for the sake of giving fresh baked news everyday b4 the other...people r going to any extent

@blu...cudnt hv written it better than this...i m astounded how easily actors talk abt quitting shws now a days...inspite of being such experienced tv actors...i m literally hocked at this unprofessionalism even b4 the shw even completed a yr


@purplr...kveers role was more challenging from day 1 but i dont think for rivalry any1 wud b forced as to go to the extent of quitting the shw...healthy competition is always welcum and kveer nd hc r populr enuf to b insecure of each other...thats the last ting that can happen between them...plus stars r concernd abt whether thi respective roles r meaty enuf or not...and raghavs role is wayyy meaty ...plus frm day1 virajs role had been challenging...hc wudnt hv agreed to tk the role in the 1st place if he had to compete wit kveer

this shw has given enuf scope and track nd space to all 3 leads...dissatisfaction can only arise if one is given less than the other WHICH IS NOT THE CASE HERE

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Posted: 13 years ago
#93

Sorry to bring KVB here, but when his news of leaving the show came, at the same time his twitter updates were raving about his happiness regarding the upcoming track..


Originally posted by: crazygod



Or is there something brewing between KVB and HC, just like their fans are on loggerhead, maybe they also are... Rivalry between actors is fairly common, its not something unheard of... Or maybe its fans who dictated their judgement and made them take this decision... as for long in this forum, I have seen many fans asking HC, or KVB, or Sriti to quit the show... No offence to any fans, but just forming my assumptions based on what i have been seeing... Maybe as HC fans often quoted that KVB is given lot of importance than HC by people involved in the show, and it might have become an Ego Issue. between the two actors, who knows, even they are human, and have desires and aspirations...


If this @blue were true, then you have one possible answer as to why KVB would tweet excitedly but soon after decide to quit.

I just wanted to point out that one aspect in regards to your post. I have no problems with all you've said. You are not doing it to attack any actor,but just giving your opinion and what you assume might be the case.
Edited by likarsh - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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@Abbey

That I and you feel that Harshad's role is meaty and we love Raghav's character... And are not disappointed... But we do not know by what parameters he would be judging his role with... When so many people here say that show is biased towards one actor, then I am sure he must be getting those feelers from various sources... And when one thing gets repeated again and again, it will affect any individual... And I feel so sorry for the show and Harshad, that now when his full fledged track has started he has taken that decision... And I wonder what drastic changes will be made to story and his characterisations to accommodate his exit... As this might force the makers to play story between Siya and Viraj in an unnatural way... And won't that be sending a wrong message to victims... Because post leap the episodes have been consistent in saying that Siya will never go back to Viraj, that love track is ruled out... And they have been presenting Raghav-Siya marriage as very potent and strong... But his exit might force the makers to push it in that direction, if they would want to continue the show w/o him... I just hope that whatever life this show is left with, it should not get compromised because an actor has decided to quit...

So far as actor rivalry and insecurity is concerned, even big film stars who are part of 100 crore club suffer from this... So anyone can become victim of it, as we see actors disappearing more often... Many actors have short shelf life, and that might give rise to insecurity as one is always known by his past works...
Edited by crazygod - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
#95
i have just loggged on and i am shocked at this news of HC quitting the show. he is my favouriteee actor why why why does this happen to my favourite actor...
however i have respect for him. we viewers and HC are on same level. this show had so much potential it was unique, and its all gone down the drain because of the applaing message thats beingg sent. its made a mockery of the issue of DV.
So though i am saddened to the core that my favourite onscreen couple will be no more... at least we dnt have to cringe ourselves seeing character Raghav sympathise with Viraj, i hope this is not the last time we see HC,. im hopeful a miracle comes or something that makes CVS change the storyline and keep all actors happy and viewrs happy and stick to DV... but who am i kidding the world never runs like that :-(
i shall cherish raghavi scenes now.
Thank YOU HC for ur showing your amzing acting abilities and making Raghav come alive for so many fans and viwers. we support you and respect u for ur decision
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Posted: 13 years ago
#96
@crazygod
There can be many reasons as to why he didn't leave before. It could be that his contract didn't allow him to until now, or it could be that the channel convinced him to stay, making promises that they didn't keep.
In addition to that, any actor who lives for his character is bound to be affected when that character is compromised -- especially if it's been happening for a long time. It isn't about screenspace alone, but character development and depth and what the channel actually promised the actor in relation to his character.
If you notice, HC has been vocal about this in an earlier interview when asked. He clearly stated that before you sign a contract, you have a choice. Once you've signed, you don't. Basically, the channel can promise you an awesome character and once you've signed, it can all go to hell and there's nothing you can do about it -- except quit. Regardless, you'll see that HC and SJ have stuck out this long and they haven't gained much from it.
Raghav, being a character that symbolized hope for some women, is actually a part of the message of the show -- a huge part of it. To show him tend to his wife's abuser is hardly a message to deliver to victims as well as victim blamers and whatnot.
I doubt that HC would mention his experience with women asking him about Raghav and the show if it didn't hold any importance to his decision. Just like I doubt that he'd ditch a show just because of screenspace issues or scope issues. Yes, his character is a part of why he's quitting, but so is his conscience. He states that he has to consider things aside from his own personal satisfaction -- this obviously isn't an easy decision for him. And not even one he'd wanted to end up making.
But the truth is that the show has gone seriously off track and if the actors are reacting to it by taking a stand, then there's definitely more to it than just "I'm dissatisfied with my own character's future, that's all".
I personally feel that HC and SJ have given the channel/creatives enough chances to do things right, correct their mistakes -- but they've taken the show further and further south. They've even ignored people's complaints in relation to the corrupted message.
Channels are arrogant.
And people turn to the actors for answers, not the channel, when something is shown or a message delivered on the show. The actors have to give the answers and what kind of an answer can HC give to a woman who might ask "how can you save the man who stabbed your wife?"
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Posted: 13 years ago
#97

Originally posted by: crazygod

@Abbey


That I and you feel that Harshad's role is meaty and we love Raghav's character... And are not disappointed... But we do not know by what parameters he would be judging his role with... When so many people here say that show is biased towards one actor, then I am sure he must be getting those feelers from various sources... And when one thing gets repeated again and again, it will affect any individual... And I feel so sorry for the show and Harshad, that now when his full fledged track has started he has taken that decision... And I wonder what drastic changes will be made to story and his characterisations to accommodate his exit... As this might force the makers to play story between Siya and Viraj in an unnatural way... And won't that be sending a wrong message to victims... Because post leap the episodes have been consistent in saying that Siya will never go back to Viraj, that love track is ruled out... And they have been presenting Raghav-Siya marriage as very potent and strong... But his exit might force the makers to push it in that direction, if they would want to continue the show w/o him... I just hope that whatever life this show is left with, it should not get compromised because an actor has decided to quit...

So far as actor rivalry and insecurity is concerned, even big film stars who are part of 100 crore club suffer from this... So anyone can become victim of it, as we see actors disappearing more often... Many actors have short shelf life, and that might give rise to insecurity as one is always known by his past works...




DONT JUDGE THIS SHOW BY A HANDFUL OF PATHETIC VIWERS FROM THIS FORUM who r jus like a broken tape recorder. ...mking the same topics everyday that how much hc isnt worth the shw nd how raghav family is a circus and how they hv made a mockery of DV...whereas we all knw none of the accusations r true...GO TO FB...there r many pgs of the actors nd the shw where thousands of people comment everyday abt how awesum the shw is...there r equal no of viranvi nd raghvi fans but they dont fyt so pathetically as in here...this forum doesnt even comprise 5% of the shws total audience...jus go out of this dustbin...u ll get to see the real pic...thats its the fans of the forum who rnt worth of the shw...nyways i m outta here...coz thats the only way i can enjoy this shw...the only gud thing that will happen if this shhw shuts down is THE END OF THIS PESSIMISTIC EVER COMPLAINING n DISSATISFIED forum...i feel suffocated among all the unnecessary negativity nd bashing here
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Personally IMO HC and SJ should have teamed up with KVB when he was thrashing out his character arc with the PH and CV's. Maybe if all three of them had banded together, then we wouldn't have to see this farcical track. I mean seriously Raghav playing daddy dearest to Viraj, is the best post leap track CV's could think of?!

Actually there's still time; if KVB still has any issues and SJ isn't happy, they should join forces with HC, and get this whole mess sorted. If it's not resolvable all three should quit this show before, their forced to cross a line of acting integrity that they are not willing to do.

As the saying goes 'stand alone to fall, band together to rise'.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: crazygod

When so many people here say that show is biased towards one actor, then I am sure he must be getting those feelers from various sources... And when one thing gets repeated again and again, it will affect any individual... And I feel so sorry for the show and Harshad, that now when his full fledged track has started he has taken that decision... And I wonder what drastic changes will be made to story and his characterisations to accommodate his exit... As this might force the makers to play story between Siya and Viraj in an unnatural way... And won't that be sending a wrong message to victims... Because post leap the episodes have been consistent in saying that Siya will never go back to Viraj, that love track is ruled out... And they have been presenting Raghav-Siya marriage as very potent and strong... But his exit might force the makers to push it in that direction, if they would want to continue the show w/o him... I just hope that whatever life this show is left with, it should not get compromised because an actor has decided to quit...

If the creatives decide to unfold a track between V and Sia, it won't be because they have been forced to. There are plenty of other options other than i.e. showing Sia return to V.
In regard to Raghav's track starting now, it might have something to do with how they are trying to persuade him to stay on the show. If they were the least bit interested in Raghav and his character development, I'm sure they wouldn't have i.e. rushed his past, skipped his transformation into a business man, etc.
I doubt that HC would've been influenced by people claiming that the creatives are biased toward one actor. He's on the sets. He communicates with the creatives. He'd know how things really are. He's not a newcomer to this industry/environment.
In addition to that, I think that if he'd been judging his role with high expectations from the creatives and high standards, then he would've quit in the same month as he entered the show, because he was hardly present in the episodes. Thus I really don't think that high standards or his character is the main issue. If that was it, he wouldn't have been shy of mentioning it as it's a perfectly valid reason to quit a show as an actor. No, it's obviously something else and related to the show's content/social theme.
They live their characters, like I said.
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: gulati10

in 30 minute show 27 minute of HC was a big drag for him also he was shown disinterested but Karanveer was there for 3 or 7 minutes and he stole HC's space well and that proved he was better as the character & even with the hatered ism he got he ruled Harshad realise it and now complaing how lame

Please don't compare. Both actors are brilliant in their roles.

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