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Posted: 13 years ago
#41
Ok, the new rules about the ATs have finally been posted. Now is the proper time to ask any questions regarding that here! Now that it's been posted, it makes sense for me to address some of the reactions mentioned above.

I'd like to clarify one thing that Jess mentioned to Sundas. We were not soliciting peoples' opinions on the rules. Had we chosen to do that, it would indeed have been an open question here, not something PMed to a select few members. If you read the new rules just posted, we now have a new rule that makes 3 participants of either AT the sole arbiters of what's allowed or not in their ATs. Since we can't volunteer random names outside the DT w/o the concerned people agreeing, that's why we asked the 6 people mentioned. The question was whether they individually agreed to the role being mentioned for each of them. There was no invitation to change the rules that we had painstakingly put together, and it's surreal that anybody took this opportunity to sabotage our efforts. Beyond that, I won't add anything to what Jess already mentioned.

Vandy

From now on, if you read the new rules listed in my link above, both ATs (this goes only for the sole HC and KV ATs) are to be monitored by 3 of their participants. They will be responsible for determining what's appropriate within their threads (obviously within the rules), and you are not to go snooping there. As Jess mentioned above, it's not your role to spy on other ATs to make sure that your 'enemies' are not doing what you don't want them to do. If people do that despite this new rule, then from now on, we are going to assume that such people are trying to create a hostile environment in the forum, and act accordingly.

Likarsh

That was one of the options we considered - allowing these 2 ATs to be strict privacy zones, and allowing the other character to be roundly criticized/condemned. As you saw from the uproar, sticking to their own threads seems to be beyond the capabilities of some people, so we took that out, which is actually strange, since in open threads, it's still okay to criticize both Viraj and Raghav (but not KV or HC).

One thing about these 2 ATs as far as characters go, which is different from all other threads - in the KV thread, Viraj is off-limits and cannot be condemned. Similarly, in the HC thread, Raghav is off-limits and cannot be condemned. But either/both of them can be condemned in open threads.

Anyway, the sandbox concept - within the above mentioned rules - is still alive. From now on, 3 members from that particular thread are responsible for what's appropriate, and no one else.

Hopefully, both the ATs can now run more smoothly, w/ zero interference from the other.

P.S. I am ungluing this thread, since we have too many stickies. If you have a gripe or a suggestion, and don't find this in pg 1 or 2, you can get here by going to the post I linked above, and then clicking on the link to this thread, and you'll get here in just 2 clicks.
Edited by .Vrish. - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
#42
Vrish, I understand. I disagree (I don't see what's the big deal if a character is "bashed"), but I understand that you've finally come up with these rules. And besides I don't care that much anyway, since I didn't even jump into this discussion till a few hours earlier. If I were more passionate, I would've made this and other points much earlier.

My question still remains about the couples' ATs. Because I personally don't care if characters are "bashed." But I'll guarantee that that's going to the next source of contention if it's not clarified.

And for those wondering. A link to that AT was given in an open thread. So don't accuse me of snooping. Besides I'm not complaining about the "bashing of Viraj."
Edited by likarsh - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
#43
So far, the couples ATs, as well as the AT of Sriti and the one including Krish have not been controversial, so we decided not to include them in this coverage. For those 3, the rules we already had - the one posted by Naina a couple of weeks back - is still adequate.

About including links to the ATs, we don't want to get paranoid and ban that. But common sense says that if one is a fan of Viraj and doesn't like him being bashed, then don't go to Raghav's AT. Anyway, that point is now moot - no mention of Viraj - direct or indirect - is allowed in HC's thread, and conversely, no mention of Raghav - direct or indirect - is allowed in KV's thread.

Hopefully, we won't have to extend these AT rules to the couples AT. Ideally, believe it or not, we'd actually prefer to impose fewer constraints on members, not more.
Edited by .Vrish. - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
#44
Point we are making is that mods have made ATs no go area for other fan group members and all 3 made in-charge of Viraj AT are hardcore V fans (which is their right) and have bashed HC on the forum openly (not raghav but HC) so if no one goes their or can't complain about it they can pretty much do whatever they want in their AT ... in our AT atleast Apz who is one of the in-charge of Raghav AT is a member of both Viraj and Raghav ATs ... the only question we have is, is there a check on those in-charges ... fine we can't go there so we can't complain .. no problem ... but who will look after that those in-charge do their job? That is our entire problem with this rule of not allowing members to report!!!

As for not allowing other characters being discussed its a good thing ... because AT mean appreciation thread ... where you appreciate a character or actor ... there is no point bashing other characters or actors in it. Thank you for considering our POV!




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Posted: 13 years ago
#45

Originally posted by: likarsh

Why can't ATs discuss another character? As long as the actor isn't brought in, what's the problem?


If a character is criticized, so what? If you are having a discussion about a character's storyline, then obviously other characters will be part of it. Are people supposed to work around all of that and not have meaningful discussions in the ATs? The problem only comes when actors are brought in, or other happenings on the forum, other posters, etc are brought in.

Also does this apply to just the Viraj and Raghav ATs? Because tell me, then shouldn't it apply to the couples' ATs too? I saw a lot of Viraj being discussed in the last few pages of the Raghav-Sia AT.

Ridiculous, you say? How can Viraj not be discussed? Or how can Ragahv not be discussed in a Viraj-Jhanvi AT?

Well then, if people want to talk about the character's story arc, then I think it's pretty ridiculous to say other characters shouldn't be brought in.

An AT is meant for discussions too, not just appreciation.

@bold I am sorry you are saying this😆
I remember you creating such a big fuss in other AT when other chars was brought in stating that one should stick to the actors for whom AT is made and here a different thing😆 and then when people brought in with respect to same shot

@DT
I am sorry, its no way to make fun or bring other forum talks to compare or anything but seeing people supporting something over which they had created uproar in past didn't feel right to me, so i just raised the point coz the very same member who is supporting the point of discussing othr chars in othr ATs created big uproar in someothr AT and thn when it was discussd in casual way and had nothing like VS b/w two FGs

so I just felt the need to raise the point that how can anyone set any rules if members have so many different rules for same things on different forums coz by the end of the way people have to follow the rules so I assume everyone's POVs to be same regarding one thing

So just my opinion, no way to offend DT or interfere in their work

Anyways I am done with my suggestions/ queries for now😆
Edited by SunShine_A - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
#46

Originally posted by: SunShine_A

@bold I am sorry you are saying this😆

I remember you creating such a big fuss in other AT when other chars was brought in stating that one should stick to the actors for whom AT is made and here a different thing😆 and then when people brought in with respect to same shot

@DT
I am sorry, its no way to make fun or anything but the very same member who is supporting the point of discussing othr chars in othr ATs created big uproar in someothr AT and thn when it was discussd in casual way and had nothing vs b/w two FGs

so I just felt the need to raise the point that how can anyone set any rules if members have so many different rules for same things on different forums coz by the end of the way people have to follow the rules so I assume everyone their POVs to be same regarding one thing

So just my opinion, no way to offend DT or interfere in their work

Ahh, I knew this would be brought up. Sunshine please read through what I wrote again in that thread. And also take note of the date and see what else happened elsewhere during that time, and what I was referring to. Perhaps you should ask someone. They will explain it to you. 😃

And by the way, read what I wrote again here. As long as the actors aren't brought up. 😃

Edit. And I know this is OT. My apologies. I am not going to linger on this aspect. This post is it.
Edited by likarsh - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
#47
It's simple. If one has a problem w/ the rules not being followed, raise it w/ the thread admins in question. They too want their threads to go on w/o controversy - no fights, and now, no mentions of the 'enemy' character or actor. If the situation continues to be ugly, then the ATs stand to be expelled into the CFC section - something that the DT wants to avoid, and the thread participants definitely would want to avoid. Hence, the ownership of their threads has been given to them.

So raise it w/ them, and let them do one of 3 things:
  • Either ask the offending member to edit their posts accordingly
  • Escalate it to us, and either tell us what to do w/ those, or ask us for advise if they are in doubt.
  • If they disagree w/ your assessment, they do have the right to overrule you. Just like we do elsewhere in this forum - note that just b'cos you complain doesn't mean that it's necessarily a valid complaint
Remember, as rules even prior to this one stated, Appreciation Threads are for fans who appreciate an actor. In other words, if you don't appreciate the actor in question, that thread is obviously not meant for you, and can/should be ignored. How difficult is that to grasp?

Beyond that, the question of who is or isn't doing their job - leave that to the DT.

P.S. One last thing - these rules are applicable as of now. Please don't go into past posts and expect that they be retroactively applied.
Edited by .Vrish. - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
#48

Originally posted by: likarsh

Ahh, I knew this would be brought up. Sunshine please read through what I wrote again in that thread. And also take note of the date and see what else happened elsewhere during that time, and what I was referring to. Perhaps you should ask someone. They will explain it to you. 😃

And by the way, read what I wrote again here. As long as the actors aren't brought up. 😃

I guess you forgot coz you said about characters there
no worries for your happiness i will ask someone else to explain it to me as well but i am sure conclusions drawn out it would be same and how about if you check ur actions and comments here as well😆

but anyways this is Dil se forum I just saw your suggestions which was contradicting ur actions😆 so thought of asking but anyways



Edit - I am done with it and let DTs to decide for the forum and members
Edited by SunShine_A - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
#49
No one here is arguing the point that AT is meant for that actors fans and we should not go there ... we don't anyways unless someone points out some kind of bashing ... and we don't have a problem with NOT GOING THERE rule

To explain the point, I will forget Viraj AT and take Raghav ATs example ... if viraj and kb are bashed and harshu.sundas takes no action because she happens to be a hc fans who will check her? This is the point we are trying to make!!! If reason behind the rule is "members acting mature" then fine we take it though its not practical keeping behavior of some in the past in mind ... but yea we do understand as mods you guys have to draw some line

And as far as ATs go i see no ugly situation any where ... yes we do have complaints regarding the other AT but calling it an "ugly situation" is blowing it out of proportion!!! And as far as Harshad AT goes i am sure after the one warning we got there has been no problem in that AT ever since so I fail to understand what's so ugly about the ATs that we are threatened every now and then with their closure.


Edited by Soaps1 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
#50

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

Ok, the new rules about the ATs have finally been posted. Now is the proper time to ask any questions regarding that here! Now that it's been posted, it makes sense for me to address some of the reactions mentioned above.

I'd like to clarify one thing that Jess mentioned to Sundas. We were not soliciting peoples' opinions on the rules. Had we chosen to do that, it would indeed have been an open question here, not something PMed to a select few members. If you read the new rules just posted, we now have a new rule that makes 3 participants of either AT the sole arbiters of what's allowed or not in their ATs. Since we can't volunteer random names outside the DT w/o the concerned people agreeing, that's why we asked the 6 people mentioned. The question was whether they individually agreed to the role being mentioned for each of them. There was no invitation to change the rules that we had painstakingly put together, and it's surreal that anybody took this opportunity to sabotage our efforts. Beyond that, I won't add anything to what Jess already mentioned.

Vandy

From now on, if you read the new rules listed in my link above, both ATs (this goes only for the sole HC and KV ATs) are to be monitored by 3 of their participants. They will be responsible for determining what's appropriate within their threads (obviously within the rules), and you are not to go snooping there. As Jess mentioned above, it's not your role to spy on other ATs to make sure that your 'enemies' are not doing what you don't want them to do. If people do that despite this new rule, then from now on, we are going to assume that such people are trying to create a hostile environment in the forum, and act accordingly.

Likarsh

That was one of the options we considered - allowing these 2 ATs to be strict privacy zones, and allowing the other character to be roundly criticized/condemned. As you saw from the uproar, sticking to their own threads seems to be beyond the capabilities of some people, so we took that out, which is actually strange, since in open threads, it's still okay to criticize both Viraj and Raghav (but not KV or HC).

One thing about these 2 ATs as far as characters go, which is different from all other threads - in the KV thread, Viraj is off-limits and cannot be condemned. Similarly, in the HC thread, Raghav is off-limits and cannot be condemned. But either/both of them can be condemned in open threads.

Anyway, the sandbox concept - within the above mentioned rules - is still alive. From now on, 3 members from that particular thread are responsible for what's appropriate, and no one else.

Hopefully, both the ATs can now run more smoothly, w/ zero interference from the other.

P.S. I am ungluing this thread, since we have too many stickies. If you have a gripe or a suggestion, and don't find this in pg 1 or 2, you can get here by going to the post I linked above, and then clicking on the link to this thread, and you'll get here in just 2 clicks.

thats the thing vrishh,...
that is wat my actual query was...
if a character is being bashed...who turns to be the moral police?
the same ppl who r bashing the character?????
i thank u guys for understanding our POV...but i don't think we can let go of this so called "spying" thing that easily...
as a fan i'll make sure hc nor raghav is bashed in viraj's at...as well as make sure viraj or kv is not bashed in raghav's at...
u can call it snooping..i will call it my right to go thru each post in this forum...
and if i see hc being bashed..or raghav being bashed,...i am sure going to report it...
wat the dt does after that is the "dt's" concern

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