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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Tani91

Personally I started watching this show only for Harshad so I have no idea what the previous story of the show was and what not so I apologize if I get anything wrong here. From what I've seen of the show so far is that Viraj is basically the devil and Raghav is the savior...that is what they're aiming for her what they will ultimately show.

From the start of Harshad's entry they haven't even touched upon the fact that Viraj has this mental disorder OPCD (and if there are new viewers like me) then how in the world do they expect us to even root for Viraj when his dilemma is not even shown properly...had it not been for this forum I would have never known that Viraj has a mental disorder...up till now I was assuming he was a psychopath.

Logically speaking if I were in Jhanvi's place I would never even see Viraj's face let alone forgive him...after all the abuse, physical, mental and emotional he has put her through it is very difficult for anyone to deal with that and forgive that person and if they show Jhanvi going back to him then that just destroys the message that they are opting for, it would very immoral of the makers to show them getting back together just for the sake of marriage.


As for the Ramayan parrallel's I see no resemblance apart from their names whatsoever...Ramayan is a different story as is this show...there are very few similarities and I wish they would stop deeming it as a Ram-Sita love story when it clearly isnt

Well said, Tani.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Elysia

I'm sorry for butting in again 😳
But how can you forgive and accept a man like Viraj? Someone that you can never trust. Someone who puts you through hell only to watch you squirm in pain. Boiled water, iron, belts, sticks, rape, miscarriage, murder - Viraj is behind all this and more.
What is it about him? Is it because he's charming and charismatic? Is it because there is a sense of mystery and danger about him? I want to understand what it is about him that convinces anyone that he deserves chance after chance, that he could be redeemed. If anyone, anyone at all, can provide me with rational arguments and not arguments that're based on emotional like or dislike, then I'm willing to be openminded about him.
For one moment, just one, put yourself in Jhanvi's shoes and imagine living the life that she did with Viraj. Imagine having your feet burned, force-fed meat, raped, etc., waking up every morning [or night] not knowing what might trigger the monster in your husband.
I don't believe a single person who claims that they could accept a man like Viraj from the heart. We're all human beings. We all have a pain threshold, and we can only endure so much torture before we break - no man or woman can endure it with a smile. If they say that they can, then they're lying.
The truth is that men like Viraj are much like serial killers in the metaphorical sense of the word. They hunt for prey. They enjoy inflicting pain on their prey because it gives them a sense of power, a sense of utter control. They manipulate. They lack empathy. They feel no remorse. They're evil. It's as simple as that.
Then society jumps in and labels them mentally ill -- telling people that they can be cured, that all they need is treatment. It's a lie. They don't want treatment. They don't care for it. Plus, it's the society's way of saying that "we don't have room for him in a prison cell, so let's just go with the clinic and put him back out there to deal on his own".
Honestly. Viraj is the epitome of cruelty, of what evil men are capable of doing. How and, most importantly, why should that be accepted by anyone?
We might as well accept rapists and murderers while we're at it. It's the same thing. Half the time, people claim that the rapist and murderer is mentally imbalanced too.
It doesn't excuse anything. It doesn't justify anything.
Plus, it would be a wrong message to viewers. To women who are daily beat up by their supposedly "ill" husbands. It's like telling them "stay with your psycho husband because he's only mentally ill and needs help and support, just forgive and accept and don't quit on him, no matter what he does to you!" I mean, seriously? Is that the kind of message that should be given to women who endure abuse? Who had dreams of a happy marriage and only ever wanted to be a good wife?
It's wrong. I don't care who plays Raghav -- but I see the character as The Hope. He may not be real in the sense that in the real world abused women aren't saved by some heroic stranger. But he gives the hope of a better life. That a victim of abuse/rape, and a woman at that, can find happiness again with someone else, someone BETTER, who will treat her the way that she deserves to be treated.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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^I agree with you Elysia...the main reason why I want Raghav-Jhanv to happen is because of the hope it represents, from what they have shown so far he is changing her for the better and ultimately that is what will be Jhanvi's strength. I don't support them just because it is Harshad playing Raghav...if the roles were reversed bw HC-KVB here I would have said the same thing.

For me Raghav-Siya's story is different because (like it says in your sig) they both are broken and both of them will recover by helping each other. That's what makes it appealing for me atleast. Also I agree with you that the show is showing domestic abuse and how someone can overcome it and that's why I like Raghav-Siya.

And also agreed that we dont have to see Viraj's demise in order for Raghav-Siya to happen...there are many ways to deal with the story rather than just showing Raghav-Viraj faceoff every now and then
Edited by Tani91 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Viraj can't be "cured." He can be treated, and get better. But it is not the same as being cured.

I think it's possible we may see Jhanvi go back to Viraj or think of going back to Virajfor some reason or the other. Doesn't mean I think they will or should end up together.

I also have no interest in seeing a love story between Raghav and Sia. I'm tired of this constant "Raghav saving Sia" or Sia getting into some harm or bad situation (and again, Raghav saving Sia). Even if this is not a love story, it's ridiculous the amount of times all these things just happen one by one to Sia. And Raghav comes in saving her or protecting her.

Jhanvi needs to get stronger and move on. That's what she needs. And I am not interested in all these crazy filmi situations that make her dependent on a man once again. Oh, a man helps her find herself. A man helps her find the strength. Okay that would've been fine if it weren't for the constant -Sia in trouble, Raghav to save her--track they keep showing.


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Posted: 13 years ago
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i think d CVs r very well stuck 2 wat they had promised earlier...
4m d beginning only they had mentioned dat d show was inspired 4m sum named famous movies nd a telugu serial...
so they r not xactly but eventually goin d same way as tthe above movies/show.
so i really don see dat they r out of d concept...
yes d show was a popular one becos many wanted 2 see d journey of JHANVI, nd they r showing it...
i wont really buy d fact dat if they continue wid viraaj treatment, him in d scanner nd electric shock 4 six monyths nd jhanvi praying 2 d god dat plss make my pati well...doesnt all dat look filmy nd cliched...yes they do look...dese things we hv also seen in many serials earlier...

if sum ppl think dat dere r no audience who looks 4ward 2 d show 4 RAGHAV nd SIA track, den i can only end up dat eithr they r blind or they r deliberately ignoring d fact dat at present most of d viewers r supporting RaghavI track nd r happy wid d way CVs r showing dat SIA has got a new life, new confidence, d way she is shaping up her new life...

yes including me many ppl don believe in d RAMAYAN part, ndmy part is becos mayb i cum 4m a different culture nd religion, but as per hinduism, RAMAYAN is one of d most believed nd worshipped pillar, nd wen in any show or movie d makers tend 2 portray RAMAYAN, they stick 2 d history cos even just a bit of slip of d story can hurt nd offend millions of d viewers who hv hardcore believe in d RAMAYAN concept...

I am happy dat i m here in d forum since february, nd aftr RAGHAV's entry i can see many new members who r not HC fans but still here 2 support RAGHAV, becos they related 2 d basic storyline nd hv enough capability 2 distinguish in between right or wrong.

nd if u ask me den d RAGHAV nd SIA story doesnt seem cliched or neither effortful, it is flowing smoothly...SIA is taking her own decisions, nd so also RAGHAV is trying 2 make her stand 4 herself instead of yelling on d mountain top dat no ' NO DARLING DON WORRY, COS I M DERE 2 SAVE U, SO U DON HV 2 DO NETHING'...

rather i feel dat viraaj's story is nw wat is being repetative here...he is sick, ill, or wateva, but doing d same stuufs wid priya as he did wid jhanvi nd showing d similar scenes wid priya, doesnt add up or subtract nething 4m his character...it is just stagnant...

nd y r ppl ttrying 2 promote or create awarness about OCPD here??...i mean no offence against dem, but y r they dreaming or imagining sumthing, as CVs since d last many days dint even show single scene which justifies d fact dat viraaj is an OCPD patient...
CVs were always firm on dere side, they always showed dat viraaj is sick but d actions r taken by his own plotting nd mind game nd not a sudden attack on d cerebrum ...he calmly thinks, analyses nd den executes his all d actions, so all his actions r by choice...
So CVs were always on d right track, till nw, they doing good...

hopefully in future also they stick 2 wateva they hv been promising...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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😃😃I strongly with you Krrish on every point

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: likarsh

Viraj can't be "cured." He can be treated, and get better. But it is not the same as being cured.


I think it's possible we may see Jhanvi go back to Viraj or think of going back to Virajfor some reason or the other. Doesn't mean I think they will or should end up together.

I also have no interest in seeing a love story between Raghav and Sia. I'm tired of this constant "Raghav saving Sia" or Sia getting into some harm or bad situation (and again, Raghav saving Sia). Even if this is not a love story, it's ridiculous the amount of times all these things just happen one by one to Sia. And Raghav comes in saving her or protecting her.

Jhanvi needs to get stronger and move on. That's what she needs. And I am not interested in all these crazy filmi situations that make her dependent on a man once again. Oh, a man helps her find herself. A man helps her find the strength. Okay that would've been fine if it weren't for the constant -Sia in trouble, Raghav to save her--track they keep showing.


I agree with you...I personally started off watching the show in that mind that they shouldn't make it into a love story because then it somehow loses the essence of Jhanvi not being strong when she desperately needs to.

I hope that they don't show Jhanvi completely dependent on Raghav to save her for everything but rather using his help to overcome her problem
Edited by Tani91 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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hiii I m reading dis post n points everyday n I just cant stop myself to put my views...

@Elysia...I must say I hav becum a big fan of ur writing n thinking as well...agree wid every bit of wat u said...

@topic starter.

I need to ask wen a girl is married to a man, she is taught to win d heart of his husband, giv first preference to his likes n many more bt she herself hav sum dreams, aspirations, n hopes wid her husband. Wat is d thing a girl want?? a loving husband who can stand by her side wenever she is in danger n in return she givs bak all her life to him n his family forgetting her own family. Dis is wat a succesful mariage demands. If v consider RajVi here dont v all feel dat it was Viraj who lacked d qualities of a gud husband???

Giving luv is a faraway thing, he never respected her even. He wanted to see fear in her eyes liked her coz she was a puppet in his hands. Doesnt she was great in accepting him even wen he raped her??Wen he killed his to b baby??? Wat else can u expect a woman to do?

I agree dere r woman in India who r suffering more den janvi bt r dey happy???NO its becoz dey hav excepted it as dere fate n DIS IS WAT SB IS TRING TO CHANGE...d show is for dese woman to show dem dat dere is a world outside to giv dem shelter...cuming to Raghav ...i agree every1 dont get a saviour bt d show is to make women free frm d forceful marriage so ofcourse dey cant show Sia running away n being raped/kidnapped by sum goons ...d show is to giv confidence to d victims n nt discourage dem...

N ofcourse sum day everyone can move on...ya every Janvi dont get Raghav so soon bt after 5 yrs or 10 yrs dey can gt a perfect man for dem n since its a show such long gaps cant b shown...

Cuming to Karanvir I luv his acting bt hate viraj coz a person who can beat his mother rape his wife terrorise her sister so much dat she becums mad can never gt my respect...

N I think if janvi hadnt runaway she had becum mad like payal...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: scent_flower

Okay,like Krrish I'm saying it again that I'm not supporting domestic violence! Viraj does NOT appeal to me nor is he charming or anything. It's just the way I feel,I think people can be forgiven and given a chance..it's always a personal choice,some people can forgive and other's can't..Viraaj is a mentally ill man..atleast till feb 2012 epi's he was,I don't know what the cvs are doing to him now but not every man who is mentally ill is an abuser or 'raavan' as the show boasts..Viraaj can change but he can't change in weeks only,it takes years and years and years to get to a breakthrough..That is the point,no one is providing any emotional explanations..or giving him sympathy votes,..I have posted topics on OCPD and how they behave,but somehow very few people read it..also,it's not just OCPD Viraaj is going through,he's a schizophrenic person..Of course I feel for Jhanvi and what all she went through..again,I am not supporting Viraaj's acts,I have said that a million times..what's difficult is to imagine yourself in Viraaj's place..if I had a brother/parent going through the same problem I wouldn't leave them I would get them treated by hook or by crook,some families support their loved ones and some don't..again it's a personal choice..you can leave ot stay,it's a personal choice..
@Bold: Exactly,this attitude is shown by 99 % people in case of a mentally unstable persons. I don't feel this way about any mentally unstable person,because they are simple ill and they need treatment..they also have hope in life,they can redeem there acts. I'm not going to justify here,or be a judge of right and wrong. I have never even justified their acts.There are people with MPD who have commited murders without knowing it,and even the court couldn't punish them because the person doing the crime was different and the person getting punishment for it is different.
The message given should be NOT to fear such people and accept their beating.Not all abusers are mentally unstable. It's not an excuse,I can't change your opinion if you feel that way because I'm tired of explaining.. The message given now is to run away..

I never meant to imply that you support domestic violence. I'm sorry if it came across as if I did. But I am curious about what makes people support Viraj -- not just you, but anyone.
You have clarified your points very well. Thank you 😳
To be honest, I think that - as I've mentioned in another post - it all really comes down to how we interpret Viraj's character. I don't find him redeemable in spite of his illness. He'll have to show some kind of remorse for his past actions and a need to change in order to awaken any kind of sympathy in me. When he raped Jhanvi, he officially crossed the line for me.
Now, I believe in supporting family. I believe in supporting people who have diseases and mental illnesses. I do not, however, believe in supporting rapists and murderers. It doesn't matter to me if they're deemed ill. In the end, they did something horrible and punishment is required because no matter how ill you are, it doesn't give you the right to ruin another human being's life, to control it.
In relation to Jhanvi, I've said it before but I'll say it again: She didn't run away from Viraj. She walked out of his life in order to preserve her own life, in order to preserve her own self-respect, in order to survive and stay whole before what's left of her is destroyed too.
No matter how ill a loved one is, there are some things that are unforgivable until they're paid for, until remorse is had, amends are made, forgiveness is asked. And even then, it is a right that the victim has to never forgive.
What Viraj has done is, in my eyes, unforgivable. And as much as I can understand that he has some deeply rooted issues, I cannot and will not sympathize with a man who has done what Viraj has done -- not until he feels actual remorse for every single act, pleads forgiveness, and makes amends. He should be punished for it, not pampered. Unlike the people who don't know when they're hurting people, Viraj knows it.
It's his choice to hurt others. He's not a victim. This is exactly how rapists and murderers are relieved from any punishment -- the authorities deem them a victim of mental illness, and they get to skip the punishment.
However, as for bold, I'm not quite sure I understand what you mean. Can you elaborate?
Edited by Elysia - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Elysia

I'm liking the potential love story between Raghav and Sia. To be honest, as cliched as it may seem, it's not unrealistic. I know victims of domestic violence who walked out of the marriage and have found love again, established a new and better world.

I agree that the show has a clear message. But at the same time, it's also a TV show which gives it a fictional tinge. The love story between Raghav and Sia is sweet and simple so far, not all that cliched as of yet. He's teaching her to live away from fear, and at the same time he is falling in love with her. I like this new hope as it's a fresh and light thing amidst all the gloom and doom.
I don't see a need to end Viraj's character for the sake of Raghav-Sia's romance. Viraj is -- quite obviously -- obsessed with Jhanvi. The day he finds out that she's alive, he's going to come for her and won't stop at anything to have her back. There are issues to deal with here as well. For instance, will Raghav know that Sia's been married? What will he do in order to protect her and help her protect herself, and what will Viraj do once he finds out about Raghav?
For as long as Viraj lives, he won't allow Jhanvi to be happy with someone else.
I don't buy into the Ram-Sita-Raavan story either and I tend to ignore the symbolism when I watch Raghav and Sia. But I have to admit that they give hope -- and even if it isn't real for every single victim out there, it's something.


Of course, it is not something unrealistic. I'm sure victims of domestic violence have found true love in their life but the fact that there is a potential love story happening so soon between Raghav and Sia is what's bothering me. I doubt victims find their true love immediately after they walk out of an abusive relationship. Sure it's a television drama and there is a huge amount of suspension of disbelief involved but in some cases it just does not work, at least for me.

What also bothers me is the fact that Jhanvi needs a man to overcome this stage in her life. I thought the aunty was doing a great job in helping her get through this trauma till they had to send her back to her "village". Where most likely, the uncle will turn out to be a freak now and Jhanvi won't be able to live in the house anymore. Then what happens? Of course! Raghav to the rescue. 🥱 Spare me that, please.

Now how different will it be to see a woman helping out another woman in fighting this phase?

With Raghav and Sia... woo-hoo, another love story! ... I don't watch the show for love stories. Why is Viraj my favorite character? Because he's different and his track as well is different. He's not the typical anti-hero/villain (whatever you want to call him) neither is he the run-of-the-mill lover. The originality of the show is what attracted me to it and I hope it stays that way.

Of course one thing I am looking forward to though are the scenes between Viraj and Raghav.
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