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Posted: 13 years ago

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Originally posted by: scent_flower

Agree with you Krrish!! 😊😊The show used to have potential but as of late they are just dragging the storyline and are not doing anything about Viraj's illness and few have the ability to forgive and accept rather than runaway..😊😊And most importantly very few understand the pain of a mentally ill person..

I don't think this show is losing its potential...actually it's getting better everyday. The fabulous cast is making sure of it.

Maybe I'm watching the show from a different angle...but I always saw it as being about domestic violence...not mental illness.

I always felt bad...for Jhanvi and the daily routine of terror she had to go through at the hands of someone who, although on the surface appears to be the epitome of charm...is really an abuser, controller, manipulator, psycho...somebody help me I'm running out of words...just plain sick. 🤢

So what if he's mentally ill...that doesn't give him the right to shred anyone's dignity to bits and render them utterly helpless. What about Jhanvi's pain? Doesn't she deserve to be happy? Why doesn't Viraj forgive...and just forget about her?

I still remember Jhanvi begging the guards outside the house to at least let her use the phone to let her family know her condition...one guard refused showing her his broken hand...the other finally relented saying I have a daughter too...just as she was about to make the call Viraj showed up...God! l could hardly swallow (Hats off to KB's acting).

He does that with everyone around him...whether it's with his wife, his employees, or the maid...and he enjoys it.

Yes he should receive help...but didn't people around him, especially Jhanvi, already try?...As Raghav said today...God helps those who help themselves...Viraj's problem is he doesn't want to be helped...He thinks he is God.

And now he's found his latest victim. 🤢

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Posted: 13 years ago

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Originally posted by: mysticgoryfilms

Of course, it is not something unrealistic. I'm sure victims of domestic violence have found true love in their life but the fact that there is a potential love story happening so soon between Raghav and Sia is what's bothering me. I doubt victims find their true love immediately after they walk out of an abusive relationship. Sure it's a television drama and there is a huge amount of suspension of disbelief involved but in some cases it just does not work, at least for me.

What also bothers me is the fact that Jhanvi needs a man to overcome this stage in her life. I thought the aunty was doing a great job in helping her get through this trauma till they had to send her back to her "village". Where most likely, the uncle will turn out to be a freak now and Jhanvi won't be able to live in the house anymore. Then what happens? Of course! Raghav to the rescue. 🥱 Spare me that, please.

Now how different will it be to see a woman helping out another woman in fighting this phase?

With Raghav and Sia... woo-hoo, another love story! ... I don't watch the show for love stories. Why is Viraj my favorite character? Because he's different and his track as well is different. He's not the typical anti-hero/villain (whatever you want to call him) neither is he the run-of-the-mill lover. The originality of the show is what attracted me to it and I hope it stays that way.

Of course one thing I am looking forward to though are the scenes between Viraj and Raghav.

I understand what you mean.

I don't think that the love story between them is happening too fast though. Jhanvi might be a bit at ease around him because he saved her, but she doesn't have feelings for him as of yet, and I doubt that they'll show her initiating any kind of relationship with a man in the nearest future. She has yet to rediscover herself.

I agree that it has been nice to watch Aunty helping Jhanvi take small steps toward what braveness she is capable of at the moment. But to be honest, it's also a reality that those victims of domestic violence, those women who leave their husbands -- in our culture it's survival to be married, it's also important to us as females, as human beings. To have a life with a partner, to not be alone, to be loved, etc.

If the love story grows between Raghav-Sia, I will only find it natural and realistic and as close to human nature as ever. Jhanvi had dreams. They were crushed by Viraj. But she will learn that they can be reshaped and actually happen -- just not the way that she had expected them to.

I don't believe that Jhanvi needs a man to overcome her fear. But she had been given a bit more help to speed up the process -- first Aunty and now Raghav. We take what we can get and we do our best with it.

I don't watch TV shows for love stories as a first priority, but for shady characters. I loved Viraj at one point. But I have to admit that Raghav-Sia bring some light in the darkness -- and I am enjoying this love story simply because it's simple and down-to-earth despite all the heroic rescues.

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Krrish

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Posted: 13 years ago

#73

Originally posted by: shazna123
Thanks for the reply, once again I have nothing against you for your point of view, it's quite interesting.

Like you I'm all for giving second chances, but the way I see it Jhanvi has already given Viraj so many chances. Even when she found the courage to stand up to him, he still manipulated her into thinking that he will change for her. ppl live their entire life in compromises..not by choice obviously..but to make their parents happy..to save their child's future..and that is the reality..not all women behave like Jhanvi and call it quit..u know i would've been happy if she had hit him or gave him poison and then left...running away to me is just defeat right there..be it even if for saving ones life.

As for OCPD, one of my best friends has that, and she is in no way like Viraj. I've been to counselling sessions with her and have researched it in depth, and nowhere does it say that it makes you into a abusive person. These people find it hard to make relationships, and trust others, but it doesn't mean it automatically makes them into an abuser.because it' not only OCPD..he has many bipolar disorders..which have been taken care off..and he has abused childhood where obviously he has beaten on a daily basis or so...he has been told that "All women are the same as Geeta(his mom)" who leaves u unless u control them and make them affraid of u..and keep pinning on them to gain love...that is not right..but that is what he has learned..now who is there to rectify right and wrongs? no one.

As for Viraj he's had the same mentality since he was a child, so of course it's going to take him time to become a better person, but exactly for the same reason I just think, is it too late? Will he ever be able to change his ways?
I'm a Muslim, and we learn that marriages are sacred and that a divorce should be the last case scenario, but we also learn that a man should never hit a woman or vice versa, God didn't give them this right. So I totally believe people should try to save their marriages, but once a person hits you, you should get them help, and if they carry on you should leave that relationship. If my husband hit me and it was a spur of the moment thing when he was so anger, then I'd probably give him another chance as sometimes people do irrational things when they are angry, but if he continued doing it I would leave him if I thought there was no way he would change.
Different people have different levels of what they can put up with I guess, so If I was in Jhanvi's position i'd give a guy like Viraj a chance maybe even two but on the condition that he gets help, but Viraj wasn't willing to do that, and how can a person become better if doesn't see a fault in his actions? ppl do wrong things "willingly" which is plain Evil..but Viraaj do wrong things because of strong WRONG blvs of right and wrong..he is a patient he is not normal..and he can't be even pesuated for cure (because of his nature and desease..) what i am trying to say is that he feels he is perfact..when jhanvi tried to change him he thought there is something messed up in her..and he has no issues...he thought if he fake his acts he can win over her confidence and still "keep" her by his side..so that she doesn't "abandon" him..yes i know he can't be better unless he realise that he has flaws..and that is the thing i want to see in the show..how exactly Cvs are gona show that he is at fault and realises it and do upto any extent to become a better person. (to regain his love back) which obv according to recent track i see sign of that NO WHERE.. but let's see.. if not ...well majority of audience is happy with this "LOVE drama" so ya...who cares..

Human rights are great, so long as you don't take away another's human rights. her rights are taken away by him..but why taken away by him that is more interesting thing to know..if he was a normal person do u think he would still behave with her the way he had? if he had a perfact family..perfact dad/mom and he never ended up in orphanage..would he behave same way..if he was treated nicely and told what is good and what is bad would he become like that? see that is the thing...we ppl want to KILL EVIL...but we don't want to kill evil inside..we want to kill the body..that is NOT the way it should be...if u see his soft sides: how he got worried on a slight fever she had, how he made food for her, how he told her not to do anything but relax when she was pregnent, how he drew picture of her..how his world surrounded by the ONLY her...he is a perfact husband except the flaws he has..if given a chance why not rectify it and still live a normal life..

Even and if Viraj becomes a good person, he has inflicted so much pain on Jhanvi that although she might forgive him, would she ever forget what he did?
Could you love and be intimate with a man who abused you? I mean he knew she was terrified of him, yet on their second 'suhagraat' as it was to him, he still touched her and would've been intimate with her even though it was obvious she was scared, is this forgivable?
well u see it depends on ppl..varies case to case.. realistically speaking whatever we are discussing here has no chance..and whatevr they are showing about meeting a new person and starting new fresh life..how realistic it is? will she able to forget what he did regardless?? i am sure some where on their marriage life they have spent moments of love..and if given time and care relationship can still work out. i know his actions are not forgivable...but time and love can fix about anything..u don't need a perfact match to lead a perfact life..u need to find perfactioness in "imperfact" person..that is how i look at it..what if she was not given a chance to run away..what if Geeta was not there to save her? what if raghav was not there? see that is more reality touch..u don't get what u wish always...u deal with thigns..and u fix things..either by hook or crook..and Jhanvi needs to stand up and stand for her selfrespect..everytime running away is not setting a good example.. as i said if she had killed him i would be more satisfied rather than she running away..u know what i am saying...one has to have a selfrespect inorder for another to respect them. she could've stand against from day one..rather than running away from day 1. the more u give in the more u loose...and other bloopers at her sketch i don't want to describe it else i would be consider Hater or Basher..
Lastly I think Viraj does know the difference between right and wrong, but he doesn't care about it, he just thinks he has the right to do what he likes. For example, when he was responsible for Jhanvi's grandmother's injury he hid it from Jhanvi why? Because he knew what he did wasn't right, and that if Jhanvi found out she wouldn't forgive him and would leave him. So if he understands that, then why wouldn't he understand everything else?
see u can only care about right or wrong when u know about it..it's not that complicated...human nature is built like that...u feel guilty when u do something wrong and u know ur wrong...he is not an exception..i have full faith if he knew he was doing wrong.. (that is he has to blv in that!!!) then definately he would stop doing that..ofc...that whole dadi incedence was a NOTE taking one..he did felt guilty...didn't u see how he couldn't sleep..whole night..he was restless in that close room..he has fear of loosing her..he wanted to just make sure..that she didn't see him..he told Uniyal too..that NO i didn't do this.. so yes..killing someone is never in his list..he is not a criminal.. well i see what u saying...on why he isn't understanding other things..because i will say only one reason..the way he has grown up..the things he has learned..he has NO perfact childhood that is all i can say to defend his right/wrongs.

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Posted: 13 years ago

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To be honest, I think that - as I've mentioned in another post - it all really comes down to how we interpret Viraj's character. I don't find him redeemable in spite of his illness. He'll have to show some kind of remorse for his past actions and a need to change in order to awaken any kind of sympathy in me. When he raped Jhanvi, he officially crossed the line for me.

Now, I believe in supporting family. I believe in supporting people who have diseases and mental illnesses. I do not, however, believe in supporting rapists and murderers. It doesn't matter to me if they're deemed ill. In the end, they did something horrible and punishment is required because no matter how ill you are, it doesn't give you the right to ruin another human being's life, to control it.

In relation to Jhanvi, I've said it before but I'll say it again: She didn't run away from Viraj. She walked out of his life in order to preserve her own life, in order to preserve her own self-respect, in order to survive and stay whole before what's left of her is destroyed too.

No matter how ill a loved one is, there are some things that are unforgivable until they're paid for, until remorse is had, amends are made, forgiveness is asked. And even then, it is a right that the victim has to never forgive.

What Viraj has done is, in my eyes, unforgivable. And as much as I can understand that he has some deeply rooted issues, I cannot and will not sympathize with a man who has done what Viraj has done -- not until he feels actual remorse for every single act, pleads forgiveness, and makes amends. He should be punished for it, not pampered. Unlike the people who don't know when they're hurting people, Viraj knows it.

It's his choice to hurt others. He's not a victim. This is exactly how rapists and murderers are relieved from any punishment -- the authorities deem them a victim of mental illness, and they get to skip the punishment.

@Bold: Agreed

@Blue: This is like stamping a violent person as mentally ill or vice versa to which i don't agree. This is what the show shouldn't send out as a message. A mentally ill person shouldn't be jailed for his sickness. I know that there were certain scenes in the show where the character was glamorized too much or the violence part of it went over the head. If they had taken efforts to make it more convincing i guess we won't be making such statements or so.

Edited by -Nakshatra- - 13 years ago

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Krrish

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Posted: 13 years ago

#75

Originally posted by: scent_flower

Agree with you Krrish!! 😊😊The show used to have potential but as of late they are just dragging the storyline and are not doing anything about Viraj's illness and few have the ability to forgive and accept rather than runaway..😊😊And most importantly very few understand the pain of a mentally ill person..

Scent they have forgotton the Subplot of the story..main plot has been already executed..and if Anshuman's story is still followed then we should've got we want..but they are obviously not following it..for TRPs, Audience demand, etc...etc... so ya...what more i can add??? may be 😆😆 for trusting them? or for stretching my head so much on that OCPD thing?? YEs because most ppl look at the story from Jhanvi's side..and there is nothing wrong..as long as her side is beeing taken care off..she is FREEE...now i want him fixed...and genuinly fixed...Is it SO much to ask for.. Is it so hard to get?? How difficult is it to forgive and forget?? 52% of indian women face domestic violence..agar sari ese bhagne lagi and have another life..then ho chuka..indian society ka naam...uff.. Nyways..nothing much from me.

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Posted: 13 years ago

#76

Originally posted by: mysticgoryfilms

What also bothers me is the fact that Jhanvi needs a man to overcome this stage in her life. I thought the aunty was doing a great job in helping her get through this trauma till they had to send her back to her "village". Where most likely, the uncle will turn out to be a freak now and Jhanvi won't be able to live in the house anymore. Then what happens? Of course! Raghav to the rescue. 🥱 Spare me that, please.

Now how different will it be to see a woman helping out another woman in fighting this phase?

Of course one thing I am looking forward to though are the scenes between Viraj and Raghav.

(Slightly OT; I'll post other on-topic thoughts later.)

Oh my, how I agree with you! It's such a depressing message to send really. Get trampled on by a man; and then get another to avenge you and protect you from him and all other evil men. I truly hate this all-pervasive message: that a valid reason for having a husband or boyfriend in your life is so that he protects you from other bad men. 🤢 (Many of the times it's those very men who abuse you, not the random fellow on the street. Case in point using this serial: Viraj.)

I love a love story; but I really do want Jhanvi to stand up on her feet; to protect herself; to avenge herself and those who can't anymore. When or if it comes to point where it comes to settling old scores with Viraj (because I almost know it is going to), I want Jhanvi to cast the first and final blow. Raghav can help her and be a moral support and watch her back. Also, I don't want her under any obligations of Raghav, nor do I want her to be in love with him because he protected her. I don't want their love to spring out of such things. If she is to be with him; I hope it is because she loves him like mad; cannot live without him; because he's the light of her eyes. Not because he "protects" her.

Edited by Araniya - 13 years ago

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Posted: 13 years ago

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I do not think show is off track from the original plot. They are still following what they promised. Actually story is progressing well now. As of now they are not showing love between Raghav and Sia. Actually from today's episode you can feel that he is helping her to become strong and encourage her to fight for herself. Jhanvi too deserve normal life and eventually she falls for Raghav then there is no problem with it.

How many times Viraj felt guilty about what he did. He is still behaving same and he is already looking for another victims. He himself said that he is god. Did he ever think about his mother's where abouts? I did not even see pain in his eyes aftr jhanvi's death.Do you think he will let Jhanvi live ointo peace nce he will find out that Jhanvi is alive. He will make her life hell again.

Did not Jhanvi already give him enough chance? How much person can tolerate? Wasn't it difficult for her to leave her family behind and she has to forgot her identity.

I know may be CVs have mixed up illness and violence together but if Jhanvi goes back to Viraj then there is no point of this show. This show is about to make people aware and take action against violence and torture. Even in real life after suffering so much woman may be forgive someone but never forget what she had gone through.

I do understand that CVs has shown Raghav only fighting and trying to protect her but this is show and they have to add some spices into it.

Edit: I know every one is questioning why there was need of man in her life? But I think up to this point all women (MIL, Dadi, Dr. Rana) in her life helped her and bringing another man CVs are trying to prove that all the men are not same and like someone said in post before if she gradually fall for him then there is nothing wrong with it. I also agree that she should not be with him just because he helped her and protect her.

Edited by april10 - 13 years ago

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Posted: 13 years ago

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Originally posted by: -Nakshatra-

It's his choice to hurt others. He's not a victim. This is exactly how rapists and murderers are relieved from any punishment -- the authorities deem them a victim of mental illness, and they get to skip the punishment.

@Blue: This is like stamping a violent person as mentally ill or vice versa to which i don't agree. This is what the show shouldn't send out as a message. A mentally ill person shouldn't be jailed for his sickness. I know that there were certain scenes in the show where the character was glamorized too much or the violence part of it went over the head. If they had taken efforts to make it more convincing i guess we won't be making such statements or so.

I understand what you mean. But it depends on the gravity of his illness, because nowadays every rapist and killer is somehow mentally ill. It has become hard to tell what's fabricated and what's not.

In Viraj's case, I do believe that some kind of punishment is in order.

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Krrish

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Posted: 13 years ago

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Originally posted by: scent_flower
Great reply Krrish😊😊
@Blue-Exactly,many women in India are dealing with abusive husbands,they have gone through worse things than Jhanvi and still they try to cure their husband rather than running away..it's a cruel reality..and they certainly do not jump into relationships right away or live with new identities..the show sends out a wrong message to the world,and cvs aren't even portraying his character correctly,he is not only sufferring from OCPD but he's a schizophrenic..People are dealing with their problems rather than running away..I think certain disorders are diificult to understand and if mentally ill people are portrayed as Raavan,I don't even know what to say or think..if they are compared to hearltess and cruel criminals,I feel speechless..the cvs have made a huge mistake of turning the show into a love story..what started as a realistic show has turned out to be a mess of unreal things..

@Bold: I agree,people don't change in days..it takes years and years for a realtionship to work..Abusive husbands aren't like Viraaj,they abuse their wives for money mostly because they are greedy..the show has gone off track..

Exactly...they want to see reality..that is what u said..that is the reality..u don't get ur prince charming some where else..yes there are chances..but how many??? i have seen/witnessed husband does suicide after the wifey has moved with someone..so there...that is what ppl want to see..be it...his fault is that he is NOT normal..i get it! and I am upset..because abnormal ppl can also have right to live...u don't hang them to death to get EVEN..

@Bold: well u know it's only few of us knows about the symptoms and related issues..so even if we justify his actions..we are gona be as guilty as him to support him..so i won't say anything..

Raavan...urgh..what can i say?? i was upset before..i am still upset...they are writing another Ramayan..kya kare..Trps ke lie kuch bhi karega.. i hated it... i told them that they have no right to call him Raavan...but what more i can say on that? U know what i agree with u...they clubbed two issues and they are only handling one..i have been informed that OCPD is second priority..and i understood..but looks like OCPD is out of the picture now..and we have another show altogether.. when i read "POST marriage Dark Love Story" i had some clues what it would be..and how it woudl be...but again Dark has back questioned me..and i see why they want to call it dark..because it is dark..it is Dirty to me..

yap..ppl don't change in frequence of seconds or days..they change over time...but that doesn't mean u leave ppl to make ur life Smooth..and don't even look back once on what is going on at his end.. u know they have shown his frustration for 3 days...and i have been complaining a lot..because i didn't want to see him like that..but it should've been gone for much longer time..infact depression would've be Ideal...nyways..hope they do justification with his character...i have nothing left to say to them..

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betty123

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Posted: 13 years ago

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one thig more I m tired of hearing runaway thing ...Janvi never wanted to run all at once...she did call an NGO ...i agree all women cant runaway bt all abusive husbands r nt as rich as Viraj to buy d NGO ppl n dese can help such women...cv's cant end dere show derefore NGO thing didnt worked for janvi...i find it hard to believe dat sumone suffering frm OCPD is running such a big company..

Its our opinion to call it a Runaway or watever I wud rather call it A meeting wid d world

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