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Posted: 13 years ago
#51

Originally posted by: SnoWyfaCed.

I dont know if its a triangle or what but i dont think she'll end up with viraj
even if they are popular as a couple and we love their chemistry still i dont think so coz they together will mean justifing domestic voilence
in the show balika vadhu, anandi and jagya were popular as a couple bt still they are seperated now coz again they together would mean justifing child marraige...
Now if viraj turns positive and is cured i think he himself will realise dat he iznt the right choice 4 jhanvi and will let her go!


Yes, that's what I think will happen as well. But that's only if he ever gets treated.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: MsLuscious


yea bt maybe he wud make her em0ti0naly n physicly str0nger maybe he w0nt be much m0re den a saviour? N0w plw dnt get me wr0ng like many did in ths p0st i want raghav n sia to b t0gethr bt its seems kindof dificult to me maybe aftr viraj dies she wud mary raghav maybe n0t u cn nevr guex w0t wil hapn next in indian s0aps!

I am not getting you wrong but nowdays in indian shows everything is predicatable. Raghav sia are pointed as ram sita. Ram sita are meant to be together and now since raghav sia are insipired from them then they will be together.

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Posted: 13 years ago
#53
hey!Welcome to the forum😊
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Posted: 13 years ago
#54

Originally posted by: Elysia

First of all, I think that all analysis is - in the end - based on how we interpret the character of Viraj. Personally, I don't see him as a victim, as a man who doesn't understand what is right and what is wrong -- I do, however, see him as someone who knows when he's done wrong and manipulates people around him to get what he wants. He doesn't regret any of his horrible deeds. He feels no remorse. It doesn't mean that he isn't aware of what's right or wrong. Just that he doesn't care for it, because he desires the end result for himself.
If he felt actual remorse and struggled to repeat the act, then I'd admit that he had actual redeeming qualities. But he hasn't, at any point, shown pure remorse and sheer desire to change. He hasn't shown empathy. He has, however, shown the opposite.
I believe that a mental disease or imbalance isn't enough to justify anyone's treatment of another human being. It's like saying that serial killers should be given another chance to establish their lives in our society because what they did was the consequence or result of their traumatic childhood. Now, according to the system, all serial killers should receive treatment rather than punishment for what they've done because they're all the product of some traumatizing incident from their pasts...
These are, in most cases, excuses. Lame excuses.
We're talking about people who are incapable of empathy. We're talking about people that are labelled "mentally imbalanced" and their reasons for committing the cruel act is given some fancy psychological term. But really, they're just evil.
Cruel people that find some kind of sick pleasure in dominance, violence, in hurting other people -- simply because they allow their minds to roam ominous waters rather than restrict themselves.
It's not that they don't know the difference between right and wrong - it's that they allow their drives, their desires to overpower them.
Let me give an example.
There are Catholic priests who sexually abuse children in Germany. Why? Because they are all mentally imbalanced, psychologically dented? Should they be given treatment and chances and no punishment?
Those Catholic priests abused the children because they permitted themselves to do so. They are priests. Shouldn't they fear God above anything else? How could they not stop in the middle of the act and think: "What the H am I doing?" The thing is that when you allow the drives that lie in any human nature to overpower you, to ignore what's right, to think the extreme and allow yourself explore it - then you will end up an abusive priest or an abusive husband, for that matter.
Viraj might have a disorder. His present self might be a product of his past. But in the end, it doesn't justify anything and doesn't earn him a badge, or a tenth chance -- because his issues shouldn't have the power to ruin another human's life, to change it irrevocably and turn her into a nervous wreck. It shouldn't have the power to control anyone's happiness.
If he should ever recover, which I highly doubt [since his issues are deeply rooted in his persona], then sure. He could make amends. But a woman like Jhanvi, who has suffered from his hand, whom he has ruined - body and soul - shouldn't be expected to return to him, shouldn't be given to him for his happiness or desire's sake. Honestly, if he wants to make amends, he should put aside his own desire in order to see Jhanvi happy and safe from him -- knowing what he's done to her, knowing that he doesn't deserve her.
This all presupposes that Viraj is capable of feeling actual remorse. Which he isn't.
In the end, I believe that one's past doesn't justify one's present self. When he was a child, he was a victim. But now he's a grown man. He's not a victim anymore. He's the attacker, the abuser -- and he became THAT by choice.
I agree that you don't quit on someone when they're ill. But truth be told, you have a right to protect yourself first. You have a right to protect yourself from being destroyed.
Sickness or not, childhood trauma or not -- if my man had done even half the things that Viraj has done to Jhanvi, I would've abandoned him. No questions asked. Not because I'm weak or a quitter, but because I have my self-respect and he has no right to take it from me, to ruin me, to drag me down with him.
Plus, if I didn't love him and wasn't happy with him - then why should I fight for our painful and abusive marriage to work?
Viraj can have himself treated and fight to stay a good man and let Jhanvi have her own happiness somewhere else - that would be his greatest amend of all. And then, I might just forgive him as a viewer.

OMG...my hat's off to you...👏
That was a brilliant post esecially @bold.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: RoyalLEO_Krrish

No offence taken..it's OK..ppl have defined me that way as i always stand and talk about the ABUSER..and i have been charged guilty of loving him and sympathysing with him only.. the only reason i am not amongst MAJORITY is his OCPD..if he was a normal human i would be on the same side as others..

as far as putting myself in to Jhanvi's shoes..i have been questioned this SO many times that i lost the count..the thing is that i am not weak as Jhanvi..and as far as her character is concern there are so many women who lives life with abuser..i know what ur trying to explain me here..but wouldn't things change over time? if things can get better i am the type of person who give in..and make things work..rather than retalitating and causing all the mess..going with another man is NOT into my blvs and values..no matter if u have divorced the abuser or not..or calling it quit..i don't know..u can call me rigid or anything as i have been called by names for my strong belief..but i don't really get bothered with anything because i have been thinking about it..and yes may be relationship gets "scars" but would one just call it quit? even if person changes?? it's like taking away the possibilty of change...the possibility of making things better...u don't marry every several yrs..u don't just get hit by a complete stranger out of no where..u don't get help everytime u seek for one...that is the Cruel reality of world...M i supporter of Domestic Violence?? NO. I am not! M I supporter of Human Rights? YES. I am. The only thing i can say as of now..if he doesn't change yes i don't want him with Jhanvi or any other girl. but if he can change..if he can be better person yes..i want him to get what he desired..because being an OCPD doesn't come with a choice..abusive childhood doesn't come with a choice..how u addapt the things or react on also varies case to case..and depends on child's age..when that scene happend..or was it repitative is also a question..u can differentiate what is good and bad when ur old enough to understand things...if someone beats u that doesn't mean u beat him back..or u do the same with the person u love...nope it's not the way it..but i can say that...because i can sense the difference between right and wrong..but was Viraaj able to sense it? was he shown what is right and wrong at the first place?
I totally agree that yes scars are hard to heal..but not Impossible to heal. time and love can heal just about anything and that is what i am counting on.
will healing change the dynamics of relationship..yes it will..it's not gona be the same,..sure if one says that...but possibility sure stands a chance..if given a chance that is..
Nyways.."LONG" reply...but felt like replying to u...

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Edited by scent_flower - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Just went through this entire topic. Wow! Great discussion guys. I didn't know we had such brilliant posters on this forum.

As for me, a lot of the members have spoken what was in my mind but might as well add my two cents.

There is a strong possibility Viraj and Jhanvi won't happen. And the main reason for that being is the message these makers are trying to project with this show. If the show wasn't a "voice against domestic violence" then yes, I would have said there was a chance because this is an Indian television show where morality gets shoved out of the window. But because this show has a message attached to it, it is the makers job to carry out the message too. If Jhanvi does return to Viraj, how will that relate to the concept of the show? In fact it will be sending dangerous signals to viewers. Domestic violence is a serious problem in many countries especially India. If ever a woman gets the courage and strength to leave her abusive husband, the right thing to do is not to return back to him (are you crazy?), but leave his life for good, away from him forever. That is how the message will successfully be presented.

It's no secret I enjoy Viraj as a character. I watch the show only for him and he always brings the entertainment to the show. However, that does not mean I would want any woman to be with a man like him. Look at poor Priya, getting trapped by Viraj through his charming persona - would I ever want her to be with him? Jhanvi deserves happiness and she won't get that in the form of Viraj. Viraj has problems. But it is quite possible he will never fully be able to recover from them. And it is even more difficult for Jhanvi to recover from them as she's been the victim of his abuses and other harmful deeds. Now that the creatives have introduced the OCPD track, I expect them to carry out this track as well and actually show Viraj getting treated. So there will be some relief for him as well.

In reality, many women do not have the courage to break free of a relationship like this. Now that there is a show voicing out to viewers saying "Look! This is how you do it," Jhanvi returning back will be terribly wrong.

As for Raghav and Sia, I am one of those who does not believe in this "Ram-Sita-Raavan" hogwash. Like many members have mentioned earlier, in many places Raavan is not shown as the total and ultimate villain and Ram-Sita as so divine and pure. BS. It sounds so fairy-tale and Bollywoodesque which makes me want to roll my eyes constantly.

Just like in reality there are many women who find it difficult to break free from abusive relationships, there are as many women out there who do not immediately find a lover that can relief them of all their pain and crisis. If Raghav helps her as a friend and someone who wants to see her stand on her own two feet - that's fine. If there happens to be love developing between them, that is also not depicting reality. Furthermore, it does not relate to the show at all. I expect the show has a set storyline where once that ends, the show will end as well. The makers are not here to show another love story between a man and woman, but the trials and tribulations of a woman who goes through domestic violence.

Seriously, what will they show after the original concept gets done with? The audience, except for some, doesn't watch the show for Raghav and Sia but for Viraj and Jhanvi. They watch a show that depicts domestic violence and how a woman like Jhanvi will come through it. It will be so epic-ally cliched if Raghav and Sia do happen to fall in love in the end. 🥱
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: scent_flower

Agree with you Krrish!! 😊😊The show used to have potential but as of late they are just dragging the storyline and are not doing anything about Viraj's illness and few have the ability to forgive and accept rather than runaway..😊😊And most importantly very few understand the pain of a mentally ill person..

I'm sorry for butting in again 😳
But how can you forgive and accept a man like Viraj? Someone that you can never trust. Someone who puts you through hell only to watch you squirm in pain. Boiled water, iron, belts, sticks, rape, miscarriage, murder - Viraj is behind all this and more.
What is it about him? Is it because he's charming and charismatic? Is it because there is a sense of mystery and danger about him? I want to understand what it is about him that convinces anyone that he deserves chance after chance, that he could be redeemed. If anyone, anyone at all, can provide me with rational arguments and not arguments that're based on emotional like or dislike, then I'm willing to be openminded about him.
For one moment, just one, put yourself in Jhanvi's shoes and imagine living the life that she did with Viraj. Imagine having your feet burned, force-fed meat, raped, etc., waking up every morning [or night] not knowing what might trigger the monster in your husband.
I don't believe a single person who claims that they could accept a man like Viraj from the heart. We're all human beings. We all have a pain threshold, and we can only endure so much torture before we break - no man or woman can endure it with a smile. If they say that they can, then they're lying.
The truth is that men like Viraj are much like serial killers in the metaphorical sense of the word. They hunt for prey. They enjoy inflicting pain on their prey because it gives them a sense of power, a sense of utter control. They manipulate. They lack empathy. They feel no remorse. They're evil. It's as simple as that.
Then society jumps in and labels them mentally ill -- telling people that they can be cured, that all they need is treatment. It's a lie. They don't want treatment. They don't care for it. Plus, it's the society's way of saying that "we don't have room for him in a prison cell, so let's just go with the clinic and put him back out there to deal on his own".
Honestly. Viraj is the epitome of cruelty, of what evil men are capable of doing. How and, most importantly, why should that be accepted by anyone?
We might as well accept rapists and murderers while we're at it. It's the same thing. Half the time, people claim that the rapist and murderer is mentally imbalanced too.
It doesn't excuse anything. It doesn't justify anything.
Plus, it would be a wrong message to viewers. To women who are daily beat up by their supposedly "ill" husbands. It's like telling them "stay with your psycho husband because he's only mentally ill and needs help and support, just forgive and accept and don't quit on him, no matter what he does to you!" I mean, seriously? Is that the kind of message that should be given to women who endure abuse? Who had dreams of a happy marriage and only ever wanted to be a good wife?
It's wrong. I don't care who plays Raghav -- but I see the character as The Hope. He may not be real in the sense that in the real world abused women aren't saved by some heroic stranger. But he gives the hope of a better life. That a victim of abuse/rape, and a woman at that, can find happiness again with someone else, someone BETTER, who will treat her the way that she deserves to be treated.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: mysticgoryfilms

Just went through this entire topic. Wow! Great discussion guys. I didn't know we had such brilliant posters on this forum.


As for me, a lot of the members have spoken what was in my mind but might as well add my two cents.

There is a strong possibility Viraj and Jhanvi won't happen. And the main reason for that being is the message these makers are trying to project with this show. If the show wasn't a "voice against domestic violence" then yes, I would have said there was a chance because this is an Indian television show where morality gets shoved out of the window. But because this show has a message attached to it, it is the makers job to carry out the message too. If Jhanvi does return to Viraj, how will that relate to the concept of the show? In fact it will be sending dangerous signals to viewers. Domestic violence is a serious problem in many countries especially India. If ever a woman gets the courage and strength to leave her abusive husband, the right thing to do is not to return back to him (are you crazy?), but leave his life for good, away from him forever. That is how the message will successfully be presented.

It's no secret I enjoy Viraj as a character. I watch the show only for him and he always brings the entertainment to the show. However, that does not mean I would want any woman to be with a man like him. Look at poor Priya, getting trapped by Viraj through his charming persona - would I ever want her to be with him? Jhanvi deserves happiness and she won't get that in the form of Viraj. Viraj has problems. But it is quite possible he will never fully be able to recover from them. And it is even more difficult for Jhanvi to recover from them as she's been the victim of his abuses and other harmful deeds. Now that the creatives have introduced the OCPD track, I expect them to carry out this track as well and actually show Viraj getting treated. So there will be some relief for him as well.

In reality, many women do not have the courage to break free of a relationship like this. Now that there is a show voicing out to viewers saying "Look! This is how you do it," Jhanvi returning back will be terribly wrong.

As for Raghav and Sia, I am one of those who does not believe in this "Ram-Sita-Raavan" hogwash. Like many members have mentioned earlier, in many places Raavan is not shown as the total and ultimate villain and Ram-Sita as so divine and pure. BS. It sounds so fairy-tale and Bollywoodesque which makes me want to roll my eyes constantly.

Just like in reality there are many women who find it difficult to break free from abusive relationships, there are as many women out there who do not immediately find a lover that can relief them of all their pain and crisis. If Raghav helps her as a friend and someone who wants to see her stand on her own two feet - that's fine. If there happens to be love developing between them, that is also not depicting reality. Furthermore, it does not relate to the show at all. I expect the show has a set storyline where once that ends, the show will end as well. The makers are not here to show another love story between a man and woman, but the trials and tribulations of a woman who goes through domestic violence.

Seriously, what will they show after the original concept gets done with? The audience, except for some, doesn't watch the show for Raghav and Sia but for Viraj and Jhanvi. They watch a show that depicts domestic violence and how a woman like Jhanvi will come through it. It will be so epic-ally cliched if Raghav and Sia do happen to fall in love in the end. 🥱

@Bold:I agree with you on everything,they had a great story..two very good characters in the beginning..if they wanted to portray Viraj as an abusive husband,they shouldn't have shown him as mentally ill..that's a huge mistake on their part and now they are calling him 'Raavan'😲
If they wanted to send out a message to women suffering from domestic violence,they should have been real and should have shown Viraaj as a man wanting dowry,beating her for the same..they should have shown him have a drinking problem,gambling problem..something that related to real abusers..and now that they have shown him as mentally ill they shouldn't portray him as an evil person. His disease is curable but it needs time..it doesn't happen within a week or two..it takes years and years for a person to reach a curable stage..the message conveyed should be to stand up to such people not by running away but by not fearing them..it's so unreal,this name changing and living with strangers?😲
@Bold: I agree,what started as movement against domestic violence has turned into a love story..they are clearing referring to a love track between Raghav and Sia and Viraj and Priya..I think they are no longer working on domestic violence rather they are focussing on a new track may be..even Madhuri has stopped appearing with her lines..they should either end Viraaj's role and turn this show into a romantic one or handle Viraaj's and move the story..but I highly doubt it because Indian TV gains highest with romantic angles🤔
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Posted: 13 years ago
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I'm liking the potential love story between Raghav and Sia. To be honest, as cliched as it may seem, it's not unrealistic. I know victims of domestic violence who walked out of the marriage and have found love again, established a new and better world.
I agree that the show has a clear message. But at the same time, it's also a TV show which gives it a fictional tinge. The love story between Raghav and Sia is sweet and simple so far, not all that cliched as of yet. He's teaching her to live away from fear, and at the same time he is falling in love with her. I like this new hope as it's a fresh and light thing amidst all the gloom and doom.
I don't see a need to end Viraj's character for the sake of Raghav-Sia's romance. Viraj is -- quite obviously -- obsessed with Jhanvi. The day he finds out that she's alive, he's going to come for her and won't stop at anything to have her back. There are issues to deal with here as well. For instance, will Raghav know that Sia's been married? What will he do in order to protect her and help her protect herself, and what will Viraj do once he finds out about Raghav?
For as long as Viraj lives, he won't allow Jhanvi to be happy with someone else.
I don't buy into the Ram-Sita-Raavan story either and I tend to ignore the symbolism when I watch Raghav and Sia. But I have to admit that they give hope -- and even if it isn't real for every single victim out there, it's something.
Edited by Elysia - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Personally I started watching this show only for Harshad so I have no idea what the previous story of the show was and what not so I apologize if I get anything wrong here. From what I've seen of the show so far is that Viraj is basically the devil and Raghav is the savior...that is what they're aiming for her what they will ultimately show.

From the start of Harshad's entry they haven't even touched upon the fact that Viraj has this mental disorder OPCD (and if there are new viewers like me) then how in the world do they expect us to even root for Viraj when his dilemma is not even shown properly...had it not been for this forum I would have never known that Viraj has a mental disorder...up till now I was assuming he was a psychopath.

Logically speaking if I were in Jhanvi's place I would never even see Viraj's face let alone forgive him...after all the abuse, physical, mental and emotional he has put her through it is very difficult for anyone to deal with that and forgive that person and if they show Jhanvi going back to him then that just destroys the message that they are opting for, it would very immoral of the makers to show them getting back together just for the sake of marriage.


As for the Ramayan parrallel's I see no resemblance apart from their names whatsoever...Ramayan is a different story as is this show...there are very few similarities and I wish they would stop deeming it as a Ram-Sita love story when it clearly isnt
Edited by Tani91 - 13 years ago

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