US attitude With Indians - Page 3

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

I think respect is a two way street. To get respect you give respect and respect. Also respect has to be earned it is not something you receive.

A lot of Americans have grown up with a very limited perspective of the world. Unlike the common perception that it is a modern urbane nation, most of America is quite rural and very limited in its experiences. Lack of knowledge and unfair prejudices fed by the media have made Americans very condescending to all outsiders. I would say it is more of blatantly ignorant prejudice rather than a malicious prejudice. Nevertheless it is something that Americans need to work on.

At the same time I think some of us Indians need to give Americans a break. Our cultures and societies are very different, and different does not mean deficient. Many Indians in the states tend to behave in a very cliqued fashion like high school teenagers. They will not interact with westerners, they are very resistant to their kids mingling freely with kids.

I know an Indian family who was invited to Thanksgiving dinner by their neighbor. They refused because they were vegetarian. Their neighbors even offered to prepare a vegetarian Thanksgiving meal, but the Indian family refused claiming they cannot eat in a home where meat is eaten.

Things for us Indians as a community will get better if the few of us who are resistant to Americans learn to be more interactive. Both sides need to take a step to better understanding.

As for me I live in the most liberal city in the United States and the cultural landscape here is very rich and harmonious, I really like it. There is a lot of harmonic diversity. So mutual respect is totally possible.

Oh and I have to add, another thing Americans hate about Indians is our call centers. Can't blame them. Poor things cannot understand a word in a foreign accent. I blow my fuse on a short call to my credit card, a long tech support call where you cannot understand what is going on that is rough.

Very well written. I agree with you 100%. Just out of curiosity, what is the most liberal city in the United States? I always thought it was the city where I went to school (Berkeley, CA), but I'm not sure which one you're talking about.

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

I think respect is a two way street. To get respect you give respect and respect. Also respect has to be earned it is not something you receive.

A lot of Americans have grown up with a very limited perspective of the world. Unlike the common perception that it is a modern urbane nation, most of America is quite rural and very limited in its experiences. Lack of knowledge and unfair prejudices fed by the media have made Americans very condescending to all outsiders. I would say it is more of blatantly ignorant prejudice rather than a malicious prejudice. Nevertheless it is something that Americans need to work on.

At the same time I think some of us Indians need to give Americans a break. Our cultures and societies are very different, and different does not mean deficient. Many Indians in the states tend to behave in a very cliqued fashion like high school teenagers. They will not interact with westerners, they are very resistant to their kids mingling freely with kids.

I know an Indian family who was invited to Thanksgiving dinner by their neighbor. They refused because they were vegetarian. Their neighbors even offered to prepare a vegetarian Thanksgiving meal, but the Indian family refused claiming they cannot eat in a home where meat is eaten.

Things for us Indians as a community will get better if the few of us who are resistant to Americans learn to be more interactive. Both sides need to take a step to better understanding.

As for me I live in the most liberal city in the United States and the cultural landscape here is very rich and harmonious, I really like it. There is a lot of harmonic diversity. So mutual respect is totally possible.

Oh and I have to add, another thing Americans hate about Indians is our call centers. Can't blame them. Poor things cannot understand a word in a foreign accent. I blow my fuse on a short call to my credit card, a long tech support call where you cannot understand what is going on that is rough.

whts there to hate in that? all have diff accent. even they have diff accent most indians find it difficult to understand them. but we dont hate them. we try our best to adjust with them and mould ourselves according to them. and if they have this attitude then definately its wrong and they should change it. its kind of snobbish.

Originally posted by: sohn

Arey kya bol rahi hain aap! 😛 Says who? Apan log ka size aur iraade toh dekho yaar! Just look at the population n tell me which part of the world have we left uncovered??? And tell me how long does it take for us to take-over any piece of land? We've got brainy, hard working, supportive, helpful, chain-community-creating, any-kinda-job-grabbing lots n lots n lots n lots n lots of indian people! Common! Give it some time...that shall happen too 😛 Aaj se bees saal baad.........kahaani kuch aur hogi 😍

It's time for "REVERSE COLONIZATION!"

Originally posted by: Believe

Indians are experts in many fields. most of the US outsourcing businesses are run by Indians. in software sector, American companies concerned with Indians as indians do their work very efficiently and in low cost.even in NASA, so many indian scientist works for america.then,

why americans have partial behaviour with Indians?why they can't treat Indians like themselfs?

Indians are good at hard-work and honesty, and 15 hours daily work schedule but in general we dont have the structured intellgence of the western world... we can confuse people with our mysticism besides being hesitant to change easilly and which is why indians dont carry a lot of main-stream acceptance...😊 unlike chinese who are as much or possibly more intelligent but are well accepted because of their cultureless blend....

Originally posted by: lighthouse

Professionally I don't think Indians are looked down upon at all. On the contrary it is the other way around as mentioned in Bush's comment above and the title of the book I saw recently "Take this job and ship it" .. 😉 Personally due to our living habits and strong cultural tendencies Indians are viewed as mystical, freindly and weird by some. As far as spending power goes for luxury cars/homes/gagdets , Indians are part of prime target market.

Lightty I just didnt read this before posting but your point about mystic is perfect...Also they are not looked down because again we dont know who is going to produce what magic. For eg. when Ramar pillai produced fuel from water all of us took him seriously but I dont think the western world would cos of their rule based matter of fact thinking..- also if they really considered us undeserving... indira nooyi wouldnt win against an all out american competition...(its not even IT) for the top position in an organization, any indian woman has acheived...so its not individuals... but a a general class of indians who are restrictive, non-adaptive, a mystery to them is what slows down the acceptance....😊

Originally posted by: sandya_rao7

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[quote]Oh and I have to add, another thing Americans hate about Indians is our call centers. Can't blame them. Poor things cannot understand a word in a foreign accent. I blow my fuse on a short call to my credit card, a long tech support call where you cannot understand what is going on that is rough.

whts there to hate in that? all have diff accent. even they have diff accent most indians find it difficult to understand them. but we dont hate them. we try our best to adjust with them and mould ourselves according to them. and if they have this attitude then definately its wrong and they should change it. its kind of snobbish.

Here is the thing it is not hate as in outright disdain but more in the connotation of annoyance. Picture this your computer crashed in the middle of an important thing you were doing, your credit card over charged you or something went seriously wrong. When you call into that 800 number it takes a long time in the first place to get a live rep. When you connect you hope for someone who you understand and someone who understands you. When the communication process breaks down it is frustrating and annoying.

Of course there is part of the population with a superiority complex and looks down on Indians. At the same time there is a section of the population who respects the diversity and understands the differences. However, in certain situations they simply wants someone who gets them. I have friends who often complain about getting Indian call centers, and they are not in any way racist or looking down upon Indians....simply frustrated.

Oh Btw...I live in Madison, WI....but a bunch of cities in USA claim to be most liberal.

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

At the same time I think some of us Indians need to give Americans a break. Our cultures and societies are very different, and different does not mean deficient. Many Indians in the states tend to behave in a very cliqued fashion like high school teenagers. They will not interact with westerners, they are very resistant to their kids mingling freely with kids.

Oh yes!!Yes yes yes!!How many desis have I seen who look down upon Americans...Don't desis too sometimes(or most of the times,in certain cases) consider themselves "better" than the Americans because we have what we call "moral values"....How many times have we personally condescended upon the Americans with disgust and contempt...Don't desis sit judgmental upon the American culture,discountenance the way of living etcetera....Talk about pot calling the kettle black!!...I have lived in the US,and I personally know hoardes of desis who completely ostracise themselves and are SO anti-social that striking up a friendship becomes impossible...Desi parents who always have the nagging worry that their kids would get "spoilt" if they are allowed to mingle with the American kids....

Besides,who exactly are we referring to when we speak of "AMERICAN"...The Caucasians who migrated to the States centuries back,or the blacks or the second/third/fourth generation Desis/other communities??..If we're referring to the Caucasians' condesending upon Indians/Asians on grounds of skin-tone,then that's racism,which is prevalant in the UK and other European and Australian countries too..Racists are sick minded, ignorant and despicable people,they exist everywhere,even in India where sometimes people discriminate based on colour,(all the fair-skin tone obsession in India🤢 🤢)..At times the so called discrimination stems due to other reasons ,like Americans blaming Asians for usurping their jobs....In those cases,the animosity can be attributed to jealousy and a general escapist tendency..Scapegoat Asians for thier(i.e. the Americans') inadequaly,indolency and lack of competitive spirit..... Indians are sometimes disfavoured due to their demeanour....We more often than not claim the moral high ground,we deign to liaise with the Americans only if it is absolutely necessary,at times we come across as uppity,snobbish and prudish...Then there's the case of desis themselves mocking and taking the mickey out of fellow desis....Fobs(or Freshies as they are called in the UK) annoy the diving daylights,don't they😉...The incessant starting,bad breath,lack of etiquette,the ridiculously fake accent they put on...It's so off-putting and embarrassing to us desis,how can we expect the Americans to respect such abominable behaviour.....

US is one of the most welcoming countries of the world,the luxuries and perquisites which are offered are a bonus,it has proved mutually beneficial to both the Indians as well as US..Definitely one cannot expect the same comfort in the US(UK or any other country) as in one's own motherland...One needs to learn to adjust and adapt,to ignore and avoid people who are acerbic and stupid,but at the same time,one needs to be careful not to stereotype every American based on the actions of one person..If one deliberately chooses to stay in the outskirts of the society,one cannot gripe that one is avoided or ignored ...I'll say this much for the Americans,they are a damn sight more open minded than the British...A broad generalisation which doesn't hold true in each and every case.

Originally posted by: joie de vivre

Oh yes!!Yes yes yes!!How many desis have I seen who look down upon Americans...Don't desis too sometimes(or most of the times,in certain cases) consider themselves "better" than the Americans because we have what we call "moral values"....How many times have we personally condescended upon the Americans with disgust and contempt...Don't desis sit judgmental upon the American culture,discountenance the way of living etcetera....Talk about pot calling the kettle black!!...I have lived in the US,and I personally know hoardes of desis who completely ostracise themselves and are SO anti-social that striking up a friendship becomes impossible...Desi parents who always have the nagging worry that their kids would get "spoilt" if they are allowed to mingle with the American kids....

Besides,who exactly are we referring to when we speak of "AMERICAN"...The Caucasians who migrated to the States centuries back,or the blacks or the second/third/fourth generation Desis/other communities??..If we're referring to the Caucasians' condesending upon Indians/Asians on grounds of skin-tone,then that's racism,which is prevalant in the UK and other European and Australian countries too..Racists are sick minded, ignorant and despicable people,they exist everywhere,even in India where sometimes people discriminate based on colour,(all the fair-skin tone obsession in India🤢 🤢)..At times the so called discrimination stems due to other reasons ,like Americans blaming Asians for usurping their jobs....In those cases,the animosity can be attributed to jealousy and a general escapist tendency..Scapegoat Asians for thier(i.e. the Americans') inadequaly,indolency and lack of competitive spirit..... Indians are sometimes disfavoured due to their demeanour....We more often than not claim the moral high ground,we deign to liaise with the Americans only if it is absolutely necessary,at times we come across as uppity,snobbish and prudish...Then there's the case of desis themselves mocking and taking the mickey out of fellow desis....Fobs(or Freshies as they are called in the UK) annoy the diving daylights,don't they😉...The incessant starting,bad breath,lack of etiquette,the ridiculously fake accent they put on...It's so off-putting and embarrassing to us desis,how can we expect the Americans to respect such abominable behaviour.....

US is one of the most welcoming countries of the world,the luxuries and perquisites which are offered are a bonus,it has proved mutually beneficial to both the Indians as well as US..Definitely one cannot expect the same comfort in the US(UK or any other country) as in one's own motherland...One needs to learn to adjust and adapt,to ignore and avoid people who are acerbic and stupid,but at the same time,one needs to be careful not to stereotype every American based on the actions of one person..If one deliberately chooses to stay in the outskirts of the society,one cannot gripe that one is avoided or ignored ...I'll say this much for the Americans,they are a damn sight more open minded than the British...A broad generalisation which doesn't hold true in each and every case.

Very well written 👏. To add with, I applaud the composure the Americans have towards others. Imagine a case like 9/11 happen in India, riots/open hatred would have happened everywhere(look at the cases of Babri-masjid demolition, Godhara burning). 9/11 has made them cautious but no such ill-treatment or condemning act in general towards the Asians living in US .

****VB edit****. Its not just the hindus (indians) who suffer, african americans, chinese, mexicans ect face this problem call racism. Some people are just afraid of meeting new people

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**** VB Edit**** . Its not just indian who work hard, Mexicans Chineese also become busniess owers

chinese ( dry cleaning) Mexicans (reasturants) Indian ( gas stations, hotels, fast food )

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Originally posted by: joie de vivre

Oh yes!!Yes yes yes!!How many desis have I seen who look down upon Americans...Don't desis too sometimes(or most of the times,in certain cases) consider themselves "better" than the Americans because we have what we call "moral values"....How many times have we personally condescended upon the Americans with disgust and contempt...Don't desis sit judgmental upon the American culture,discountenance the way of living etcetera....Talk about pot calling the kettle black!!...I have lived in the US,and I personally know hoardes of desis who completely ostracise themselves and are SO anti-social that striking up a friendship becomes impossible...Desi parents who always have the nagging worry that their kids would get "spoilt" if they are allowed to mingle with the American kids....

Besides,who exactly are we referring to when we speak of "AMERICAN"...The Caucasians who migrated to the States centuries back,or the blacks or the second/third/fourth generation Desis/other communities??..If we're referring to the Caucasians' condesending upon Indians/Asians on grounds of skin-tone,then that's racism,which is prevalant in the UK and other European and Australian countries too..Racists are sick minded, ignorant and despicable people,they exist everywhere,even in India where sometimes people discriminate based on colour,(all the fair-skin tone obsession in India🤢 🤢)..At times the so called discrimination stems due to other reasons ,like Americans blaming Asians for usurping their jobs....In those cases,the animosity can be attributed to jealousy and a general escapist tendency..Scapegoat Asians for thier(i.e. the Americans') inadequaly,indolency and lack of competitive spirit..... Indians are sometimes disfavoured due to their demeanour....We more often than not claim the moral high ground,we deign to liaise with the Americans only if it is absolutely necessary,at times we come across as uppity,snobbish and prudish...Then there's the case of desis themselves mocking and taking the mickey out of fellow desis....Fobs(or Freshies as they are called in the UK) annoy the diving daylights,don't they😉...The incessant starting,bad breath,lack of etiquette,the ridiculously fake accent they put on...It's so off-putting and embarrassing to us desis,how can we expect the Americans to respect such abominable behaviour.....

US is one of the most welcoming countries of the world,the luxuries and perquisites which are offered are a bonus,it has proved mutually beneficial to both the Indians as well as US..Definitely one cannot expect the same comfort in the US(UK or any other country) as in one's own motherland...One needs to learn to adjust and adapt,to ignore and avoid people who are acerbic and stupid,but at the same time,one needs to be careful not to stereotype every American based on the actions of one person..If one deliberately chooses to stay in the outskirts of the society,one cannot gripe that one is avoided or ignored ...I'll say this much for the Americans,they are a damn sight more open minded than the British...A broad generalisation which doesn't hold true in each and every case.

Your views are very valid and applicable to intra nation circumstances, where parents don't want thie kids to mix up with kids with different culture / region.

We look down towads to some sections of Americans making that discriminication, but here we are saying why intusion of asian community in regular or professional life looked down upon?

Why it is assumed an Indian can work 16 hours and not an American?

Why Indian are third graded to do all dirty work as compared to an Ameican?

Why hard wok is expected out of Indian and not American?

Why are we treated as alien even though fact remain in America, no one is pure american all are immigrants?

Just blessing of mother natue make them viable to discriminate us?

Other then talking what does an average Ameican capable of? for all hard work and dirty jobs, there is an latin american or african American or Chinese or Indian, why do Amrican eldely tells us why don't you go back your country? From 80's (doctor world), 90's (IT world ) they maintain thier atitude?

Americans(whites) look downwardly for us, why?

Apologize to hurt feelings here, PM me can edit the post. Am acting as devil's adv. to understand the reason?

BTW - here we are not compaing why Ameicans parent don't want thie kids to mingle with asians and vice-sa-versa.