Is hinduism on the path of extinction - Page 14

Originally posted by: chatbuster

here we go again.😛 mind is within our bodies, while the physical source of music can be far. music can affect us music is magic.. its frequencies man.. why cant they impact!!! (and we have you implicitly providing the neurological reason for it), but mind cannot where did i say that can you please drive some relevance here...😊? you just argue on, dont u?😆

as for what u do with googling, it's your trick. u brought it up, dont have to justify it with me.😉

as for the steps u take, i see. sort of impressionist, right no not in science..? throw a phrase here, a random phrase there, not random.. consistent is the word... and hope the audience gets the full picture, right yes but some may not...😊? 😛should try using logic actually if u do want to take those first baby steps😆...now if you understand what you are saying .. i would say that s good enough.. u are too embroiled in your spaghetti like situation u created...😆

Originally posted by: qwertyesque

you had pooh-poohed the concept of mind over matter effects, hadn't you? first it was with a throw-back to "it's psychiatry", as if that was somehow demeaning or unworthy of discussion. next it was "neurological". now it is "man it is frequencies". before we get bogged down some more with these, how about we complete the entire story?😛 yes, it's wave particles in the medium. it's particles with frequency. and it's mechanical movemements of the ear drums. and it's neurological pathways to our brains. but whatever, it does affect our mind and mental state. on board now? 😛

next we had your disbelief that cause and effect could be remotely linked. you brought up stock investments. showed you how the effects of your investments ages ago can impact your current fund situation years down the road. dont know how all the powerball lottery stuff you brought up does anything to refute that, except throw up another distraction. still, let me know if you need the math here. would be happy to oblige.😛

now, if you are finished denying all this, maybe we can move on to topic? whether hinduism is on it's way to extinction. what say?😊

and on that topic, yes, imo it definitely is not currently experiencing any kind of great resurgence. other religions are. if we look at the trend, it is flat to down. we cant just be smug in the fact that the ideas and the philosophy are great. other great philosophies and systems flourished only to go under later. need people to sustain any philosophy. even japan has had increasing numbers who have turned christian. similar story, different in details, for china and tibet. cant even be smug about the fact that the movement from hinduism to, say, budhism is fine since it is an offshoot. religions start with minor variations, but grow up to experience strong frictions. demographics dont support continued growth of hinduism even within our country. supports islam. am not making any value judgments on that, just saying that we cant just bank on and extol our past greatness every time to exterpolate hinduism into the future...

Originally posted by: chatbuster

you had pooh-poohed the concept of mind over matter effects, hadn't you? first it was with a throw-back to "it's psychiatry", as if that was somehow demeaning or unworthy of discussion. next it was "neurological". now it is "man it is frequencies". before we get bogged down some more with these, how about we complete the entire story?😛 yes, it's wave particles in the medium. it's particles with frequency. and it's mechanical movemements of the ear drums. and it's neurological pathways to our brains. but whatever, it does affect our mind and mental state. on board now? 😛... thats the point there is no mystic or any mystery about it the way you were trying to put it..

next we had your disbelief that cause and effect could be remotely linked. you brought up stock investments. showed you how the effects of your investments ages ago can impact your current fund situation years down the road.I told you thats not true.. .I can have bad investments for 10 years and one good one in the last year.. now you have reasons to refute that as well!!!! dont know how all the powerball lottery stuff you brought up does anything to refute that, except throw up another distraction. still, let me know if you need the math here. would be happy to oblige.😛

now, if you are finished denying all this, maybe we can move on to topic? whether hinduism is on it's way to extinction. what say?😊

and on that topic, yes, imo it definitely is not currently experiencing any kind of great resurgence no religion is... even conversions are not common... so many christains are becoming non-conformists... other religions are. if we look at the trend, it is flat to down. we cant just be smug in the fact that the ideas and the philosophy are great. other great philosophies and systems flourished only to go under later. need people to sustain any philosophy. even japan has had increasing numbers who have turned christian. similar story, different in details, for china and tibet. cant even be smug about the fact that the movement from hinduism to, say, budhism is fine since it is an offshoot. religions start with minor variations, but grow up to experience strong frictions. demographics dont support continued growth of hinduism even within our country...with a fraction of the current population this has survived for last 1000's of years (including direct mogul assault) all this talk of erosion is debatable . supports islam. am not making any value judgments on that, just saying that we cant just bank on and extol our past greatness every time to exterpolate hinduism into the future...Our biggest threat is not the other religions its our rationalizing hindus...😊

Originally posted by: qwertyesque

ok, if we insist on persisting with this line, you started off saying that it was all psychiatry giving the impression that it was somehow not so scientific or cool. now with this last bit, you are saying it's not a mystery at all. lol. 😆sorry but it is still a mystery. 😉we at best understand today the physical mechanism of how music reaches our ears and causes neurological actions. does not explain why those reactions cause happiness or sadness. just that they do. now you can continue and just go on and say it's nature, and we should leave it at that. if that were good enough, smart people would not be trying to delve deeper. and sorry also, but dont go making wild guesses that for another 300 years people wont figure it out. that's what they had thought back in the stone ages when they thought everything that could ever be discovered was already found. and even if it does take 300 years, so what? that refutes things?😛

as for stock market investments, what are you disputing? that you wouldnt have lost money on net if you had negative 90% returns last year and 100% returns this year? want to give it a try?😉 just give a yes or no whether you undertand this. or whether you are refuting this. just answer the question if you will.😊

Originally posted by: chatbuster

since you insist on persisting with this, whether it is to say it is all psychiatry and now with it's not a mystery, sorry but the greatest aspect of the puzzle is a mystery. we at best understand today the physical mechanism of how music reaches our ears and causes neurological actions. does not explain why those reactions cause happiness or sadness. just that they do. now please dont just go on and say it's nature. if that explanation was enough, smart people would not be trying to figure that out. and dont go making wild guesses that for another 300 years people wont figure it out. that's the kind of thinking they had in the stone ages when they thought everything that could ever be found was already found. and even if it does take 300 years, so what? 😆😆.. taste buds are located on certain portions of the tongue for each type and the brain interprets...it.. Do we need to know a why for that!!!!!!! That way you will end with your questions and mostly of them will be irrelevant....Properscientific thinking will know where to stop.. others will not know...😆

as for stock market investments, what are you disputing? that you wouldnt have lost money on net if you had negative 90% returns last year and 100% returns this year? Did I say 100% what if its 1000% does stock market guarantee only 100% returns!!!!!???????? are you talking of the mutual funds or the stock market!!!? just give me a yes or no whether you undertand this. or whether you are refuting this. just answer the question if you will..... Since I didnt talk about 90 and 100... I told you what I am saying right..1000%. now did you get it? my powerball refernce was similar... all I am saying my 10 years of bad investments need not make me broke in the 11th year!!!!.. you are the one who is harping on possibilities and now failing to understand simple ones!!!????

Remote causality can only be established in world of probabilities and not possibilities....😉😆 which is the main reason its not consistent and thus unreliable.... Its slightly better version of astrology....😆😆

Originally posted by: qwertyesque

haha. you said that it's a case of the last penny gone bad. and i gave you an example where it is so commonplace that your earlier investments can affect your current situation too. i was the one who was linking cause and effect together. you were the one who was suggesting that only current cause is important on effect. if you now agree that it can be the distant past as well, no problem. come on board. that's what i intended to illustrate. get the full investment picture now?😉😆

funny how i get into the biggest debates with some folks on basic investment math. too bad. i should not have been playing hookey in class, no?😛😆

Originally posted by: chatbuster

haha. you said that it's a case of the last penny gone bad. and i gave you an example where it is so commonplace that your earlier investments can affect your current situation too. i was the one who was linking cause and effect together. you were the one who was suggesting that only current cause is important on effect. if you now agree that it can be the distant past as well, no problem. come on board. that's what i intended to illustrate. get the full investment picture now?😉😆 man i am still saying its not remote.. I say if the 10% left with me after I lost 90% can fetch me 1000% return... wheres me agreeing with what you say. Major comprehension issues here... 😆...

funny how i get into the biggest debates with some folks on basic investment math. too bad. i should not have been playing hookey in class, no?😛😆...

Originally posted by: chatbuster

qwerty, as for the other stuff you had about not needing further answers, it reminded me of the tale about the US Patent Office attorney who resigned his post. story goes that he resigned because he thought his job was in jeopardy. everything that could be invented had been invented he thought. i think the year was 1831. 😉 😛 😆

there is a big difference bet' invention and discovery... 😉