evading VA tech massacre? - Page 7

Originally posted by: qwertyesque

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That is exactly what I am trying to say too. No one wants to believe this can happen and he could do that. But as you mention some sings of Bizarre Play scripts and stalking were there. There was something troubling him.

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

If we start sending every kid who writes angry and morbid poems/stories etc for creative english class, has a speech problem, and is a loner to forced counselling/therapy, there won't be enough counsellors left for those who really need them.

C'mon people, it's not like CHO is the only one who was displaying the depression/anxiety/anger signs. Look around....most of our teenagers and preteens are this way. Writing cult-like poems based on Goth culture etc is the latest trend. You possibly can't think all these kids are going to grow up and become mass murderers!!!

I don't blame the school for not sending him forcibly for counselling. Trust me you, the day schools start doing that, majority of those who are blaming the school for not forcing Cho to go to counselling, will do a 180 flip and start howling about schools being hitlarian, stereotyping student and fringing on their human rights and all such crap.

Charity begins at home. As a parent, you need to develop that relationship with your child where she can come to you and discuss things w/o worrying about any repurcussions. My 12 yr old asks me lots of questions....sometimes on quite shocking topics. I always tell her that I'll answer all your questions but do you think you are prepared to deal with some of the answers you'll get from me. Sure, there are times when she grosses out at an explanation but she does know that there is someone to turn to in hour of need. BTW, I always make sure to read her poems and stories. I was surprised about a month ago when I saw lots of dark, morbid poems and some violent stories. We talked about it to figure out what was bothering her and came to know that it was the latest trend with 7th graders!!! If you write cute, sunny, happy ending stories, you are not cool enough. Needless to say, we talked about it and we touched that subject again when Cho's writings came in news.

To an extent, I would hold parents responsible but I have yet to come across a parent who raises their child to be a pervert or mass murderer. How do we know that Cho was neglected by his parents. There are numerous people who do long hours of odd jobs just to make ends meet and their kids acknowledge the hardwork the parents are putting in. Not all those kids go on a shooting rampage.

After a certain age, kids know what's good and what's bad. If they still choose to go with the bad, then oh well, it is their choice. You can't put all the blame on the parents. Take me for example, how would I know whether what my daughter told me is true or not....but there are times when I had to trust what she is telling me based on my gut feeling.

I do not blame the system. I do not blame the parents. I do not blame the society. I blame only one person and that is Cho himself. That monster knew what he was doing.

I am sick and tired of this trend on blaming all psychopathic actions on troubled childhood, bullying, abuse as a child and what not. It's hightime we acknowledge that some people are plain bad....evil.....they would do it even if they had one of the best childhood and upbringing.

We can discuss this topic to death and point fingers at whoever or whatever even remotely touched Cho's life but the fact remains that even god helps those who help themselves....and we, by no means, are gods.

Veri good post Garri...😆 err Gauri.. Bold portion above is were good rebuttals for the signs they show...

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

To an extent, I would hold parents responsible but I have yet to come across a parent who raises their child to be a pervert or mass murderer.

I am sick and tired of this trend on blaming all psychopathic actions on troubled childhood, bullying, abuse as a child and what not. It's hightime we acknowledge that some people are plain bad....evil.....they would do it even if they had one of the best childhood and upbringing.

We can discuss this topic to death and point fingers at whoever or whatever even remotely touched Cho's life but the fact remains that even god helps those who help themselves....and we, by no means, are gods.

Originally posted by: mermaid_QT

I understand your opinion and how one should not be blinded / judgemental, yet it is alarming how aften the answers do lie in upbringing. There is a scientifically proved and statistically backed reason for that blame game. It is not strict parents that are blamed, it is usually the ignorant ones.
There are cases where they are not be be blamed, but just as Scott Peterson was the prime suspect even in absence of strong evidence / murder weapon, surroundings and upbringing are the ones that deserve fingers pointed at in CHO's case I think. Monsters are born yes, but monsters can be mended.

Cutes this is true only if the society has uniform behavior codes outside the legal boundary and is behaving uniformly. The apparent disparities creates disparities of perception... which are more dangerous than anything else....

All Cho said in his ranting was nothing but his perception of these apparent disparities...

When you look at things with your eyes... no up-bringing can bridge these disparities.. thats where the indian culture has some definite advantage... we dont define undefined behavior...and behave more or less in a veri definitive manner..

Originally posted by: qwertyesque

Cutes this is true only if the society has uniform behavior codes outside the legal boundary and is behaving uniformly. The apparent disparities creates disparities of perception... which are more dangerous than anything else....

All Cho said in his ranting was nothing but his perception of these apparent disparities...

When you look at things with your eyes... no up-bringing can bridge these disparities.. thats where the indian culture has some definite advantage... we dont define undefined behavior...and behave more or less in a veri definitive manner..

are yaar kaha se culture ki baat karte ho

the very day the Virginia tech thing happened, there was an news on Indian Express or Sifynews

There was a father who burnt his son, bcos the kid would not give him a 500 rupee note, This was an occurence in Mumbai

Crazy(inhuman) people dont look down and say, ok I want to be born in USA, they just land anywhere, God is into this equal distribution scheme, we just choose not to see them or publicize them in India

Originally posted by: sareg

are yaar kaha se culture ki baat karte ho

the very day the Virginia tech thing happened, there was an news on Indian Express or Sifynews

There was a father who burnt his son, bcos the kid would not give him a 500 rupee note, This was an occurence in Mumbai

Crazy(inhuman) people dont look down and say, ok I want to be born in USA, they just land anywhere, God is into this equal distribution scheme, we just choose not to see them or publicize them in India

First crime is not same as mass murder and not serial killing as well.... People in india kill for various reasons... because many have survival problems....no food and sometimes even no water... Look at the bigger picture... apparently middle or upper middle class student CHO going to college with good well-brought up kids loses it... quite a distinctive phenomena even in the crime world .... Time for some introspection...😊

Originally posted by: qwertyesque

First crime is not same as mass murder and not serial killing as well.... People in india kill for various reasons... because many have survival problems....no food and sometimes even no water... Look at the bigger picture... apparently middle or upper middle class student CHO going to college with good well-brought up kids loses it... quite a distinctive phenomena even in the crime world .... Time for some introspection...😊

how about Nithari, how about Raman Raghav? How about that gang in Pune

it is all the same, you have the same tendencies everywhere, this one does not fit under the cultural supremacy, As a matter of fact, Koreans are as closely knit in family values as us in India

Originally posted by: sareg

how about Nithari, how about Raman Raghav? How about that gang in Pune

it is all the same, you have the same tendencies everywhere, this one does not fit under the cultural supremacy, As a matter of fact, Koreans are as closely knit in family values as us in India

Mass murder has far more stronger statement than crime.. nothing to do with gangs.. If you dont see the difference... you need to take a better look....Pune gang was for robbery.. What was nithari.. caste war?... its not what happened but who was involved is more worrisome thing.

Originally posted by: sareg

how about Nithari, how about Raman Raghav? How about that gang in Pune

it is all the same, you have the same tendencies everywhere, this one does not fit under the cultural supremacy, As a matter of fact, Koreans are as closely knit in family values as us in India

I agree with you Vineet. People are people everywhere no matter which country or culture they belong to. Crimes are comitted everywhere. All asian communities are close knit families even in US. In LA we have all asian communities and I have seen it.

In India we hide things and in US it is out in open. Only difference. We give excuse like "Poor people comitt crime for food and shelter"