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Originally posted by: sareg

how about Nithari, how about Raman Raghav? How about that gang in Pune

it is all the same, you have the same tendencies everywhere, this one does not fit under the cultural supremacy, As a matter of fact, Koreans are as closely knit in family values as us in India

Well said vineet.
Bhool jaao, dabaa daalo, Put the case in court for million years and let criminals run around free on bail, even better, run elections 😆😆😆
Nithari? We Indians have forgotten it ever happened. As long as Sr. Bhachchan walked barefeet to Sidhhivinayak temple so that abhi can lead a long life, in spite of maglik wife world is a great place. (note- manglik etc are not my beliefs wse.. just comments from media news)
Hush Hush is the name of the game. Vineet! How else can we be such a glorified culture in spite of the evil elements corroding it? The Pune gang - Jakkal .. Thank Gawdd he was caught!

@ qwerty- it is not the nature of crime/ killing spree, it is the fact that this mind was so disturbed! the social elements are certainly to be blamed IMO. Answers will be found in his growth as an individual.

Originally posted by: Dabulls23

I agree with you Vineet. People are people everywhere no matter which country or culture they belong to. Crimes are comitted everywhere. All asian communities are close knit families even in US. In LA we have all asian communities and I have seen it.

In India we hide things and in US it is out in open. Only difference. We give excuse like "Poor people comitt crime for food and shelter"

Tell me one thing.. how many cases of crime you can compare with CHO.. and he was just 23.. dont forget that....how many aberrated 23 year olds have you encountered in india where there is no way to get every one tested for psychosis...? how many school shootings have happened here in last 10 years... and how many were averted just on the verge of happening...pushing the issue under the rug doesnt solve it...

Who the heck is Raman raghav.. just heard about him in films - how many years ago he existed... We have billion people - we ought to have many more killings er i mean mass murders....than here...

Originally posted by: qwertyesque

Tell me one thing.. how many cases of crime you can compare with CHO.. and he was just 23.. dont forget that....how many aberrated 23 year olds have you encountered in india where there is no way to get every one tested for psychosis...? how many school shootings have happened here in last 10 years... and how many were averted just on the verge of happening...pushing the issue under the rug doesnt solve it...

Qwert we are discussing Particular violent act here. Not the culture. How can we bring culture or any country into any subject?. There are other type of crimes which happens in India do not happen in US. We need to keep the focus on the subject.

I am also with you on "Pushing the issue under the rug does not solve it" dear. I think India and lots of Indians are very good at shoving issues under the rug or stay in denial. IMHO.

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

If we start sending every kid who writes angry and morbid poems/stories etc for creative english class, has a speech problem, and is a loner to forced counselling/therapy, there won't be enough counsellors left for those who really need them.

C'mon people, it's not like CHO is the only one who was displaying the depression/anxiety/anger signs. Look around....most of our teenagers and preteens are this way. Writing cult-like poems based on Goth culture etc is the latest trend. You possibly can't think all these kids are going to grow up and become mass murderers!!!

I don't blame the school for not sending him forcibly for counselling. Trust me you, the day schools start doing that, majority of those who are blaming the school for not forcing Cho to go to counselling, will do a 180 flip and start howling about schools being hitlarian, stereotyping student and fringing on their human rights and all such crap.

Charity begins at home. As a parent, you need to develop that relationship with your child where she can come to you and discuss things w/o worrying about any repurcussions. My 12 yr old asks me lots of questions....sometimes on quite shocking topics. I always tell her that I'll answer all your questions but do you think you are prepared to deal with some of the answers you'll get from me. Sure, there are times when she grosses out at an explanation but she does know that there is someone to turn to in hour of need. BTW, I always make sure to read her poems and stories. I was surprised about a month ago when I saw lots of dark, morbid poems and some violent stories. We talked about it to figure out what was bothering her and came to know that it was the latest trend with 7th graders!!! If you write cute, sunny, happy ending stories, you are not cool enough. Needless to say, we talked about it and we touched that subject again when Cho's writings came in news.

To an extent, I would hold parents responsible but I have yet to come across a parent who raises their child to be a pervert or mass murderer. How do we know that Cho was neglected by his parents. There are numerous people who do long hours of odd jobs just to make ends meet and their kids acknowledge the hardwork the parents are putting in. Not all those kids go on a shooting rampage.

After a certain age, kids know what's good and what's bad. If they still choose to go with the bad, then oh well, it is their choice. You can't put all the blame on the parents. Take me for example, how would I know whether what my daughter told me is true or not....but there are times when I had to trust what she is telling me based on my gut feeling.

I do not blame the system. I do not blame the parents. I do not blame the society. I blame only one person and that is Cho himself. That monster knew what he was doing.

I am sick and tired of this trend on blaming all psychopathic actions on troubled childhood, bullying, abuse as a child and what not. It's hightime we acknowledge that some people are plain bad....evil.....they would do it even if they had one of the best childhood and upbringing.

We can discuss this topic to death and point fingers at whoever or whatever even remotely touched Cho's life but the fact remains that even god helps those who help themselves....and we, by no means, are gods.

Great thoughts!

I totally agree, stop beating the dead horse, look ahead folks (Authorities etc..) Govt should think about preventing this from happening, I agree we cannot attain 100% prevention but for God's sake atleast focus on doing that.

Really upset😭 with this whole happenning. My heart / love /support goes out to the mourning families.

Originally posted by: Dabulls23

Qwert we are discussing Particular violent act here. Not the culture. How can we bring culture or any country into any subject?. There are other type of crimes which happens in India do not happen in US. We need to keep the focus on the subject.

I am also with you on "Pushing the issue under the rug does not solve it" dear. I think India and lots of Indians are very good at shoving issues under the rug or stay in denial. IMHO.

Its sum and total. Infact you guys are talking about supporting the current american culture. Twodays ago after this incident a mass-muder study specialist was talking about this and he said exactly what I am saying here.. he said american culture has deteriorated in last 30-35 years and kids are growing up with violence and a void ... without any value system.. I wish I could recod that for you.. Its was on radio talk show...

Its only we who get allured by glitter.. People here know these realities.. but nobody listens to them

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

If we start sending every kid who writes angry and morbid poems/stories etc for creative english class, has a speech problem, and is a loner to forced counselling/therapy, there won't be enough counsellors left for those who really need them.

C'mon people, it's not like CHO is the only one who was displaying the depression/anxiety/anger signs. Look around....most of our teenagers and preteens are this way. Writing cult-like poems based on Goth culture etc is the latest trend. You possibly can't think all these kids are going to grow up and become mass murderers!!!

I don't blame the school for not sending him forcibly for counselling. Trust me you, the day schools start doing that, majority of those who are blaming the school for not forcing Cho to go to counselling, will do a 180 flip and start howling about schools being hitlarian, stereotyping student and fringing on their human rights and all such crap.

Charity begins at home. As a parent, you need to develop that relationship with your child where she can come to you and discuss things w/o worrying about any repurcussions. My 12 yr old asks me lots of questions....sometimes on quite shocking topics. I always tell her that I'll answer all your questions but do you think you are prepared to deal with some of the answers you'll get from me. Sure, there are times when she grosses out at an explanation but she does know that there is someone to turn to in hour of need. BTW, I always make sure to read her poems and stories. I was surprised about a month ago when I saw lots of dark, morbid poems and some violent stories. We talked about it to figure out what was bothering her and came to know that it was the latest trend with 7th graders!!! If you write cute, sunny, happy ending stories, you are not cool enough. Needless to say, we talked about it and we touched that subject again when Cho's writings came in news.

To an extent, I would hold parents responsible but I have yet to come across a parent who raises their child to be a pervert or mass murderer. How do we know that Cho was neglected by his parents. There are numerous people who do long hours of odd jobs just to make ends meet and their kids acknowledge the hardwork the parents are putting in. Not all those kids go on a shooting rampage.

After a certain age, kids know what's good and what's bad. If they still choose to go with the bad, then oh well, it is their choice. You can't put all the blame on the parents. Take me for example, how would I know whether what my daughter told me is true or not....but there are times when I had to trust what she is telling me based on my gut feeling.

I do not blame the system. I do not blame the parents. I do not blame the society. I blame only one person and that is Cho himself. That monster knew what he was doing.

I am sick and tired of this trend on blaming all psychopathic actions on troubled childhood, bullying, abuse as a child and what not. It's hightime we acknowledge that some people are plain bad....evil.....they would do it even if they had one of the best childhood and upbringing.

We can discuss this topic to death and point fingers at whoever or whatever even remotely touched Cho's life but the fact remains that even god helps those who help themselves....and we, by no means, are gods.

Gauri, I just got to read this post of yours. 👏👏👏 Very articulate.

Originally posted by: qwertyesque

Tell me one thing.. how many cases of crime you can compare with CHO.. and he was just 23.. dont forget that....how many aberrated 23 year olds have you encountered in india where there is no way to get every one tested for psychosis...? how many school shootings have happened here in last 10 years... and how many were averted just on the verge of happening...pushing the issue under the rug doesnt solve it...

I thought CHO was the worst and only monster I heard of this week, but check this out qwerty! I wonder why I spoke of he lacking a support ever in CHO thread! Well, atleast his support system did not kill him! 😭 Check out this couple..

Parents arrested for slaughtering girl

New Delhi, April 19 (IANS) The police Thursday arrested a couple here for allegedly killing their 19-year-old daughter - a call centre employee - on suspicion that she was having an affair with a boy belonging to a lower caste, police said.

The accused, Nandan Singh and his second wife Sushila, were arrested for allegedly slaughtering Lalita into three pieces at their residence in Sultan Puri in east Delhi.

According to police, a probe was launched after Singh reported Wednesday that her daughter had not returned since Tuesday night.

'During the interrogations, we found that the girl's father was repeatedly changing his statements. But on sustained interrogations he broke down and confessed to his crime,' police said.

'The couple confessed to dismembering the body into three pieces so that they can easily dispose of the body,' he added.

oh.. atleast the mother is probably not birth mother! 😭

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

If we start sending every kid who writes angry and morbid poems/stories etc for creative english class, has a speech problem, and is a loner to forced counselling/therapy, there won't be enough counsellors left for those who really need them. C'mon people, it's not like CHO is the only one who was displaying the depression/anxiety/anger signs. Look around....most of our teenagers and preteens are this way. Writing cult-like poems based on Goth culture etc is the latest trend. You possibly can't think all these kids are going to grow up and become mass murderers!!! I don't blame the school for not sending him forcibly for counselling. Trust me you, the day schools start doing that, majority of those who are blaming the school for not forcing Cho to go to counselling, will do a 180 flip and start howling about schools being hitlarian, stereotyping student and fringing on their human rights and all such crap. Charity begins at home. As a parent, you need to develop that relationship with your child where she can come to you and discuss things w/o worrying about any repurcussions. My 12 yr old asks me lots of questions....sometimes on quite shocking topics. I always tell her that I'll answer all your questions but do you think you are prepared to deal with some of the answers you'll get from me. Sure, there are times when she grosses out at an explanation but she does know that there is someone to turn to in hour of need. BTW, I always make sure to read her poems and stories. I was surprised about a month ago when I saw lots of dark, morbid poems and some violent stories. We talked about it to figure out what was bothering her and came to know that it was the latest trend with 7th graders!!! If you write cute, sunny, happy ending stories, you are not cool enough. Needless to say, we talked about it and we touched that subject again when Cho's writings came in news. To an extent, I would hold parents responsible but I have yet to come across a parent who raises their child to be a pervert or mass murderer. How do we know that Cho was neglected by his parents. There are numerous people who do long hours of odd jobs just to make ends meet and their kids acknowledge the hardwork the parents are putting in. Not all those kids go on a shooting rampage. After a certain age, kids know what's good and what's bad. If they still choose to go with the bad, then oh well, it is their choice. You can't put all the blame on the parents. Take me for example, how would I know whether what my daughter told me is true or not....but there are times when I had to trust what she is telling me based on my gut feeling. I do not blame the system. I do not blame the parents. I do not blame the society. I blame only one person and that is Cho himself. That monster knew what he was doing. I am sick and tired of this trend on blaming all psychopathic actions on troubled childhood, bullying, abuse as a child and what not. It's hightime we acknowledge that some people are plain bad....evil.....they would do it even if they had one of the best childhood and upbringing. We can discuss this topic to death and point fingers at whoever or whatever even remotely touched Cho's life but the fact remains that even god helps those who help themselves....and we, by no means, are gods.

well said! i agree with you. i thought previously too that parents are to be blamed to some extent but as you said how do we know that they ignored him. but sometimes when parents put in long hours to earn money they dont get a chance to spend time with their kids. but then we dont know the inside scoop of his relationship with his parents. i thought what cho did was at the spur of the moment, but after looking at his video in the news, i am petrified that he had planned this and took innocent students' lives. i just wish the families of the victims acquire patience.

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

If we start sending every kid who writes angry and morbid poems/stories etc for creative english class, has a speech problem, and is a loner to forced counselling/therapy, there won't be enough counsellors left for those who really need them.

C'mon people, it's not like CHO is the only one who was displaying the depression/anxiety/anger signs. Look around....most of our teenagers and preteens are this way. Writing cult-like poems based on Goth culture etc is the latest trend. You possibly can't think all these kids are going to grow up and become mass murderers!!!

I don't blame the school for not sending him forcibly for counselling. Trust me you, the day schools start doing that, majority of those who are blaming the school for not forcing Cho to go to counselling, will do a 180 flip and start howling about schools being hitlarian, stereotyping student and fringing on their human rights and all such crap.

Charity begins at home. As a parent, you need to develop that relationship with your child where she can come to you and discuss things w/o worrying about any repurcussions. My 12 yr old asks me lots of questions....sometimes on quite shocking topics. I always tell her that I'll answer all your questions but do you think you are prepared to deal with some of the answers you'll get from me. Sure, there are times when she grosses out at an explanation but she does know that there is someone to turn to in hour of need. BTW, I always make sure to read her poems and stories. I was surprised about a month ago when I saw lots of dark, morbid poems and some violent stories. We talked about it to figure out what was bothering her and came to know that it was the latest trend with 7th graders!!! If you write cute, sunny, happy ending stories, you are not cool enough. Needless to say, we talked about it and we touched that subject again when Cho's writings came in news.

To an extent, I would hold parents responsible but I have yet to come across a parent who raises their child to be a pervert or mass murderer. How do we know that Cho was neglected by his parents. There are numerous people who do long hours of odd jobs just to make ends meet and their kids acknowledge the hardwork the parents are putting in. Not all those kids go on a shooting rampage.

After a certain age, kids know what's good and what's bad. If they still choose to go with the bad, then oh well, it is their choice. You can't put all the blame on the parents. Take me for example, how would I know whether what my daughter told me is true or not....but there are times when I had to trust what she is telling me based on my gut feeling.

I do not blame the system. I do not blame the parents. I do not blame the society. I blame only one person and that is Cho himself. That monster knew what he was doing.

I am sick and tired of this trend on blaming all psychopathic actions on troubled childhood, bullying, abuse as a child and what not. It's hightime we acknowledge that some people are plain bad....evil.....they would do it even if they had one of the best childhood and upbringing.

We can discuss this topic to death and point fingers at whoever or whatever even remotely touched Cho's life but the fact remains that even god helps those who help themselves....and we, by no means, are gods.

Great post Gauri... However I still blame the parents mostly then anyone else.. Cho being 23 probably didn't live with them anymore but as parents , they had to know how eccentric he was growing up.. They could have done something back then to help him with his crazy thoughts.. I am tired of parents washing their hands off and blaming the current teen culture for their lack of proper action... I know some kids are born with evil tendency and it is the responsiblity of the parents to recognise what and who their child is and is capable of.. Parents/family are only people who can predict something like this in their own child and they have a duty to help the child and the society at large.Imo.

Few years back , the mail bomber Ted kazinski (was his name I think) was arrested because his brother acted and called the authorities.

Originally posted by: lighthouse

Great post Gauri... However I still blame the parents mostly then anyone else.. Cho being 23 probably didn't live with them anymore but as parents , they had to know how eccentric he was growing up.. They could have done something back then to help him with his crazy thoughts.. I am tired of parents washing their hands off and blaming the current teen culture for their lack of proper action... I know some kids are born with evil tendency and it is the responsiblity of the parents to recognise what and who their child is and is capable of.. Parents/family are only people who can predict something like this in their own child and they have a duty to help the child and the society at large.Imo.

Few years back , the mail bomber Ted kazinski (was his name I think) was arrested because his brother acted and called the authorities.

LH, In this country parents have veri less control on steering the kids in any direction....Lets take three generic approaches...restrictive, liberal and calculative... In each of these the problem is the kid is exposed to liberal influences from the outside world... which makes them feel betrayed... so although they might go through the motions of listening to the parents their might be some inconsistencies building up which manifest only as post-mortems... I am uninclined to believe Cho's parents were expecting him to do something he did.... exposure to fearsome objects like skulls and wierd faces as kids violent video games, hard rock / foul rap, the angst of economic and social disparities all this makes them live on the edge and the tipping factor is one bad moment....

Lets say you have a guy who goes by a good family direction.. even for them - there is nothing in the external society to relate to... there are no values a society reflects as a whole... which again causes these aberrations...a society where the only value abiding happens in through legal way before or after the crime and not through a conscience to preserve and value human liife.