Ayodhya:Ram Janmabhoomi - Page 9

Originally posted by: mermaid_QT

We don;t have Suraj / Ram raj.. Why do we care for his janmabhoomi with so much passion?? 🤢

what should we care about then? price of tea and china?😛😆

and why blame politicians? arent they simply doing/ promising what people want? that's how they get votes u know and i never met a pol who didnt want votes. did u?😊

Originally posted by: chatbuster

what should we care about then? price of tea and china?😛😆

and why blame politicians? arent they simply doing/ promising what people want? that's how they get votes u know and i never met a pol who didnt want votes. did u?😊

I once negative campaigned for myself and yet was voted by majority for the president of student counsil.. i'll make a terrible politician what say?

R, exactly, so i am blaming not only the politicians but the people who are doing nothing to progress really, voting for idiots iver and over again, & dwelling and gloating on flashes of glory snatched from momentary victories gained in demolitions in the pride of Hindutva 😕..

Originally posted by: mermaid_QT

Yeah.. why did we ask for the kohinoor back?

I don;t get that either. When you have something precious that you fail to protect, is the other person wrong to steal it from you? Learn to respect and value what is precious and what could be eyed by others. Once it belongs to another,(You may catch the drift there ? may be..) there is no guarantee it should/could come back.

I am not justifying thieves, am I? 😆😆😆 Sounds like it. 😭 Brits were political thieves world-wide.

QT, you debating for or against.😕 They all tell us the same thing, jiska danda uski bhains. We were weak then so they exploited us, and since that was a custom then, nothing wrong, and yes I accept it. Sorry, we're powerful now and if we want something, please don't mind if we get it forcibly, the basic rules don't change. If tomorrow suddenly India becomes powerful enough to attack Britain and loot them, I for one won't say 'Bechara British'.

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

CB and Souro, I totally agree with you guys. Here we are debating whether Babri Masjid demolition was right or wrong and I am wondering that why our Muslim brethern did not gift that site to us in the first place for the sake of unity and as the sign of love and co-existence!!!

Why should hindus be apologetic all the time whenever someone chooses to flaunt hinduism or claim a temple back? Is the onus of harmony between hindus and muslims only on hindus all the time? Do muslims not share any responsibility towards dissipating the communal tension so prevalent in our country?

I am sick and tired of the vote bank politics and appeasing minorities at the cost of majority over and over again. At the end of the day, this vote bank politics does not even help our muslim brethern. It ensures that the poor uneducated muslims get poorer and worst off so that they don't get an opportunity to get educated and start thinking independantly. If the politician really uplift the muslims then they will loose this valuable vote bank that they control totally. I am sorry to say that but even muslim politicians are not doing anything to uplift the poor muslims. All they are doing is further flaring up the communal tension by constantly instigating the muslims agains trivial things like that cartoonist or fatwa on Salman Rushdi etc. Sometimes I feel bad at the way majority of our muslim bretherns are kept brainwashed and backward. The educational statistics will support my statement.

Getting back to religious sites' demolition, how about the DM members' views about demolition of a hindu temple in Kazakistan? Indian government did not even condemn it because it is "secular". It took a Tony Blair from Britain to condemn the Kazaks. There are so many cases of supression of Hindus worldover but our so-called secular govt. keeps mum so that they do not upset their main voting bank that votes in herds 😡

http://premendra.sulekha.com/blog/post/2006/11/britain-saves -but-indian-govt-ruins-hinduism.htm


Hindus can't even defend hindus as they will be seen as non-secular if they do so.....height of being tolerant, I say We are not helping any one by being over tolerant, be it our religion or our muslim brethern. The only section we are helping is the "divide and rule" politicians......my personal opinion only.

Originally posted by: mermaid_QT

I was pointing at BLATANT criminals roaming around FREE in the land of RAM, while we are stuck on fighting silly for His janmabhoomy issue. The teachings of Ram are forgotten was a comment hurled @--> 1. shivsainiks EVE-TEASING 🤢 when they are not involved in such nobel destructive causes, 2. Bigger names in Nithari killings being hushed 😡, 3. Underworld and Corruption intwined into political pillars of the democracy 😡

We don;t have Suraj / Ram raj.. Why do we care for his janmabhoomi with so much passion?? 🤢

Originally posted by: raksha.l

Why not QT???We humans form our identity with the place we live, the religion we belong to and the parents that gave birth to us etc...So if we are not passionate about these, then what else??

Originally posted by: chatbuster

well, for starters, i have no regrets, not then, not now, except for the innocents in this and other troubles. my salute also to the soldiers who have been caught up in all the wars before, which stemmed from similar history.

to my mind, ayodhya was a necessary reaction to various politicians pandering to minorities and neglecting the sentiments of others. the pendulum had swung too far to one side and ayodhya just happened to be an issue with enough symbolism to serve as the reactionary catalyst. if not ayodhya, it would have been something else imo. but it was needed. it was brewing. there'd been too many episodes of other national flags flying higher during our cricket matches, of people tired of all the politicians coming to power on just the base of minority voting.

if it serves a purpose today, it is this- it reminds various political parties that there is a majority vote bank as well, a bank that at least on certain issues will come together and will not be divided. certain parties had exploited those divisions very successfully in the past to perpetuate their hold on power. they knew that the minorities voted as a block. whoever got that block vote was starting ahead. it was high time that that cynical behavior was checked, that others were not being given short shrift in their own society, that their values, ideals, sentiments and aspirations were also respected and franchised.

i suppose it is fashionable to condemn the ayodhya destruction today. i suppose that works as long as there are others who can do our dirty work for us. no?

ultimately, to those who say that ayodhya should not have happened, that issues relating to vande mataram and our national anthem should not matter, question to them would be- does anything then? why bother with holding on to your religion, to your nationalism, to your territory? why does one feel badly at the thought of religious conversions, of being converted? at the end of the day, we all get carried out on a stretcher. does anything really matter? if the answer to that is yes, then the answer to ayodhya is an even more resounding yes.

very well said we all have strong opinions abt certains issues but we do not want to get into troble so we ignore many things.

Originally posted by: reeps

Soumaya, did I get the spelling right? 😕 😆

No, you didn't.😛 It's Soumya.😃

Seeing a totally different side of you in this debate. 😊

And I take it, you don't like it.😊