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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: souro

I don't mean paying back by pulling down Babri masjid, that's a small part of it. I mean paying back by not tolerating any of their nonsense anymore. Now we protest when they come to town with another of their programs to teach us 'Pagans' the incorrectness of our religion. We protest when they say the respective prophets of their religions is the ultimate and our gods are just mythological figures worth nothing.

True, they say that hindus worship cows, elephants and monkeys. What kind of religion is it? Really I never say anything back to them because it basically reflects that they are igornat and not tolerant towards other religions at all.

They tell us the religious books of their religion was express delivered to their prophets and all of it is God's own word (never mind what we think of such a claim), and our religious scriptures are not worhty because they were written by humans.

Our religion scriptures were written way before any religion was even found. Hinduism is the oldest religion in the history of human civilzation. So how can they even question whether its even worthy or not?

They ask us, 'Where were your Gods when so many temples were destroyed, a god who can't protect himself, how will he protect you??', I'm thankful that now we can ask them the same question too.

Do they expect that God will come and help every time that a religious place is destroyed????

If we really start paying back by destroying religious structures, then half of the number of you know what will be gone.

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: souro

Sure I can. If we're to forget everything because Ghazni happened some 1000 odd years ago, then even this act of Babri masjid will become 500 yrs old one day, so why don't they let go?? Forgetting would have been a solution if all the attacks in all the form would have stopped years ago with that Ghazni, when they are still going on in some form or the other how can they expect us to forgive and forget. The incident of Babri masjid is already 14 yrs old, still they go on a rampage every 6th December to protest, should we pull down another structure every 6th December to commemorate??😉 They should be thankful that no one is doing that and majority of us don't want to demolish every other religious place. Babri masjid was important because of its location on the Ram janmabhoomi.

So you will continue the demolition and they continue to suffer in the next 500 years and when they are sore against babri masjid will and should come back to bite your predecessors 😉
do you see how we are making an endless revenge cycle destroying life itself?? neverending commotion in the name of what? RELIGION??

Do Nithari killings and such rampants acts committed by politicians, others GLORIFY RAM?? Can we bring those criminals to justice? How can Ran janmabhoomi become the priority? Are these the teachings of RAM?? We don't give a cr*p (pardon me there, i can apologetically edit if you like) to Ram and his teachings, but his birthplace matters to us soooo much???? Most of those shivsainiks get drunk and whistle as girls on streets in their leisure time and get riled up when Gere gets the kiss.. I am particularly saddened by the HYPOCRITE sainiks we have 😉 for providing justice to Ran Janmabhoomi..

About battles, QT in a battle there can never be two losers. The side that prevails, ultimately gains.

And that prevailing side will be brought down 500 years later. I am looking at the bigger picture here. because hatred continues and battles never end..

For your monkeys, ( my monkeys? 🤔.. 😆😆 kidding) they didn't ask any human to take HIV from them and spread it, it was the fault of the person who first acquired it from them. The moment these monkeys start spreading it themself, it will be justified to take action against them.

Exactly my friend! So it was fault of the ruler that allowed for building of that masjid on Ran janmabhoomy. Grab him by his skeleton and beat him up.. 😉. Do not take out the anger on current generations and don't carry the poison over to future generations. [/QUOTE]
Edited by mermaid_QT - 18 years ago

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Posted: 18 years ago
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There is no end to any of it, is there? 😆

Just cause somebody is being ignorant doesn't mean one retaliates back, does it? What's the difference between the two then?

Out of curiosity, why was the Masjid pulled down? Just cause people "think" there was a temple there before, and it should be there now?? Did the govt. do it? Howcome nobody took consent of community for whom it was a place of worship? 😕

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Posted: 18 years ago
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CB and Souro, I totally agree with you guys. Here we are debating whether Babri Masjid demolition was right or wrong and I am wondering that why our Muslim brethern did not gift that site to us in the first place for the sake of unity and as the sign of love and co-existence!!!

Why should hindus be apologetic all the time whenever someone chooses to flaunt hinduism or claim a temple back? Is the onus of harmony between hindus and muslims only on hindus all the time? Do muslims not share any responsibility towards dissipating the communal tension so prevalent in our country?

I am sick and tired of the vote bank politics and appeasing minorities at the cost of majority over and over again. At the end of the day, this vote bank politics does not even help our muslim brethern. It ensures that the poor uneducated muslims get poorer and worst off so that they don't get an opportunity to get educated and start thinking independantly. If the politician really uplift the muslims then they will loose this valuable vote bank that they control totally. I am sorry to say that but even muslim politicians are not doing anything to uplift the poor muslims. All they are doing is further flaring up the communal tension by constantly instigating the muslims agains trivial things like that cartoonist or fatwa on Salman Rushdi etc. Sometimes I feel bad at the way majority of our muslim bretherns are kept brainwashed and backward. The educational statistics will support my statement.

Getting back to religious sites' demolition, how about the DM members' views about demolition of a hindu temple in Kazakistan? Indian government did not even condemn it because it is "secular". It took a Tony Blair from Britain to condemn the Kazaks. There are so many cases of supression of Hindus worldover but our so-called secular govt. keeps mum so that they do not upset their main voting bank that votes in herds 😡

http://premendra.sulekha.com/blog/post/2006/11/britain-saves -but-indian-govt-ruins-hinduism.htm


Hindus can't even defend hindus as they will be seen as non-secular if they do so.....height of being tolerant, I say We are not helping any one by being over tolerant, be it our religion or our muslim brethern. The only section we are helping is the "divide and rule" politicians......my personal opinion only.
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Woo hoo!! Bring it on Gauri 😆

I think I am a very peaceful person- more into Budhdhism than Hinduism. Everyone in my family held / hold similar toughts such as you 3. I never felt the same though.
I may never walk that ramp there to be crowned, but I seriously care for "world peace" 😆 😆 😆

This thread has come to life with opposing views.. Good job you 3.
Edited by mermaid_QT - 18 years ago
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Posted: 18 years ago
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good points Gauri.

here, the muslim leaders knew how strongly hindus felt about ayodhya. could they have not given in for the sake of harmony? what do we think they do when they feel like declaring a muslim shrine in other countries? ask hindus? invite them for discusssions? allow the hindus to protest? allow hindus to burn their national flag, cry slogans, throw meat around their shrines? allow any of this debate to take place, let alone find too many people who'd apologize for their hate-hindu policies?

it's also nice to be able to lead a life of relative prosperity, to take care of our own, to simply live and let live. wonder why Shivaji, the Sikhs and others did not do the same. silly, they could have simply converted. kya jaata unka? wonder why we stick around in J&K, why it is we get bothered when some "indians" root for the other team, when others come converting hindus. kya jaata hai? how does that change our lives. really? we can all go about our wonderful life, no? marna toh sab ko hai, kyoon?
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: mermaid_QT

Woo hoo!! Bring it on Gauri 😆

I think I am a very peaceful person- more into Budhdhism than Hinduism. Everyone in my family held / hold similar toughts such as you 3. I never felt the same though.
I may never walk that ramp there to be crowned, but I seriously care for "world peace" 😆 😆 😆

This thread has come to life with opposing views.. Good job you 3.

😆😆😆 can't resist putting in my two cents here. I really feel that it was a political stunt....nothing more...nothing less...out and out "divide and rule" politics. IMHO, neither muslims nor hindus should react to it.....muslims should not get agitated and hindus should not get apologetic as neither was to blame for this. Blame it on bloo** politicians😊

Coming back to the over-touted "tolerance" taught by Sanatan Dharma, I feel Hinduism teaches tolerance only when no one is meddling with your business. Remember that song, "krishan ney kaha Arjun sey, tu pyaar jata na dushman pey, yuddh ker" Atyachaar karney WALEY sey zyada bura atyachar sehney wala hota hai. Took us long time to realize this but hey....better late than never.

Edited by Gauri_3 - 18 years ago
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Posted: 18 years ago
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i think you have this wrong QT. ayodhya was not a cause. it was an effect. it was a result of accumulated bad behavior, the kind of aggressive destructive behavior that you or i as hindus would get our heads chopped off if we tried it in other countries. it was the result of years of neglecting hindu sentiments and priorities and shamefully pandering to the minority vote base.

as for what hinduism teaches, sorry, but i think we have it wrong again. what was Mahabharat and Ramayan about? didnt Lord Krishna exhort Arjun to fight for what was right, for what was his, for "dharma"? wasnt Ramayan also a similar fight in concept?😊

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: reeps

There is no end to any of it, is there? 😆

Just cause somebody is being ignorant doesn't mean one retaliates back, does it? What's the difference between the two then?

Out of curiosity, why was the Masjid pulled down? Just cause people "think" there was a temple there before, and it should be there now?? Did the govt. do it? Howcome nobody took consent of community for whom it was a place of worship? 😕

Persy

Now you come after all the dhamaka.😛

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