Ayodhya:Ram Janmabhoomi - Page 4

Originally posted by: SolidSnake

Originally posted by: Sharmii

I was very young when it Happened.In Fact I dont remember it Happening at all.

But even then from just what I hear I feel Ashamed.I really really feel ashamed That people could Kill in the name Of God.I am sure IF mahatma gandhi had been alive he would disowned us and given us up to the British.
But whats even more saddening is That apparantly no One repents it.It happened agian After 1993 and no one can ever say it will Never happen again.

Where does Mahatma Gandhi come from?? And if you're talking from the view point of all supporters of non-violennts and secularists and pseudo-secularists, then I'd like to ask one question, where were they when Muslims demanded separate nation, where were they when other religions took out their dissatisfaction at something or somebody on the Hindus, rioting and killing Hindus at the slightest or no provocation at all. Mahatma Gandhi also asked the British not to fight the Germans under Hitler, to let the Germans kill them but not to resort to violence or bow under pressure and accept Hitler. Fortunately for them their leaders disowned Gandhiji's philosophy because it's not always possible to follow non-violence in every situation.

Originally posted by: raksha.l

1.Do you support the incident, condemn it or dont care about it?

2.What were your feelings about the incident at that point of time?

3.What do you feel today about it?

4.Some argued that it brought back all the Hindus together..Do you agree??

5.Is it important to claim back all the Hindu temples that are now under the Islamic structures?

6.Did BJP get benifitted because of this or did it work against?

7.Congress obviously condemned the act, but later when Shri.P.V.Narasimha Rao became the PM, he also did not take any action against the possible offenders, why???Do you think he was secretly supporting the incident, or he also did not want to lose the Hindu Vote Bank?



Cheers,
Raksha😃

I will answere in one paragraph. A Masjid made attached to temples happened during Aurunzeb time, who was a barbarian and just beleived in certain religion. Hindus have always shown patience and usually do not come out on street on name of the religion. Hinduism has taught us to even respect yur enemy and do not loose patience and fortunality today too most of us will not go on road with swords to kill just because you donot beleive in Hinduism. This religion teaches to respect all religions and we do.Now there is a limit. I remember the incidents where in Mathura students from Aligarh university used to come and create problems. nothing big used to happen but one day a Cow head was thrown in front of Krishan Janam Bhoomi. I was going to college and saw blood over road. Now do I support that. WIll it not make you hate the people who did that.

Now whoa re they. It is not Hindus and it is not Muslims. It is all Politics. If Gov. wishes, it can all stop. Purposely things are done to create riots.

If India wants to make a temple or Masjid or library, why shoul dit be a matter of going to relious belief. It is independant country, u donot support it then leave. I am sorry but if IN Karachi, a temple has to be replaced by a masjid, it will happen overnight. A country's Goverment should be strong enough to support its country men and not to create rift in the name of the religion. This situation could have been avoided but instead was hyped.

So I donot support the incident but I am not against of the temple making either.It was there and ther is no harm in rebuilding some of our ancient roots.

it is not you an dme that create misunderstanding and mostly Congress has been misleading in the name of the minority.

Originally posted by: raksha.l

I would love to know, which direction is that slant...😃

well, for starters, i have no regrets, not then, not now, except for the innocents in this and other troubles. my salute also to the soldiers who have been caught up in all the wars before, which stemmed from similar history.

to my mind, ayodhya was a necessary reaction to various politicians pandering to minorities and neglecting the sentiments of others. the pendulum had swung too far to one side and ayodhya just happened to be an issue with enough symbolism to serve as the reactionary catalyst. if not ayodhya, it would have been something else imo. but it was needed. it was brewing. there'd been too many episodes of other national flags flying higher during our cricket matches, of people tired of all the politicians coming to power on just the base of minority voting.

if it serves a purpose today, it is this- it reminds various political parties that there is a majority vote bank as well, a bank that at least on certain issues will come together and will not be divided. certain parties had exploited those divisions very successfully in the past to perpetuate their hold on power. they knew that the minorities voted as a block. whoever got that block vote was starting ahead. it was high time that that cynical behavior was checked, that others were not being given short shrift in their own society, that their values, ideals, sentiments and aspirations were also respected and franchised.

i suppose it is fashionable to condemn the ayodhya destruction today. i suppose that works as long as there are others who can do our dirty work for us. no?

ultimately, to those who say that ayodhya should not have happened, that issues relating to vande mataram and our national anthem should not matter, question to them would be- does anything then? why bother with holding on to your religion, to your nationalism, to your territory? why does one feel badly at the thought of religious conversions, of being converted? at the end of the day, we all get carried out on a stretcher. does anything really matter? if the answer to that is yes, then the answer to ayodhya is an even more resounding yes.

very nicely written CB

Originally posted by: Sharmii

I was very young when it Happened.In Fact I dont remember it Happening at all.

But even then from just what I hear I feel Ashamed.I really really feel ashamed That people could Kill in the name Of God.I am sure IF mahatma gandhi had been alive he would disowned us and given us up to the British. But whats even more saddening is That apparantly no One repents it.It happened agian After 1993 and no one can ever say it will Never happen again.

are we talking about the Masjid coming down or the riots😉

and yeah the Mahatma would certainly have given back India, I am sure about it too, after all he was the one who handpicked Nehru and sent us in this direction, Ayodhya was just a balancing act in retailiation😉

Originally posted by: chatbuster

well, for starters, i have no regrets, not then, not now, except for the innocents in this and other troubles. my salute also to the soldiers who have been caught up in all the wars before, which stemmed from similar history.

to my mind, ayodhya was a necessary reaction to various politicians pandering to minorities and neglecting the sentiments of others. the pendulum had swung too far to one side and ayodhya just happened to be an issue with enough symbolism to serve as the reactionary catalyst. if not ayodhya, it would have been something else imo. but it was needed. it was brewing. there'd been too many episodes of other national flags flying higher during our cricket matches, of people tired of all the politicians coming to power on just the base of minority voting.

if it serves a purpose today, it is this- it reminds various political parties that there is a majority vote bank as well, a bank that at least on certain issues will come together and will not be divided. certain parties had exploited those divisions very successfully in the past to perpetuate their hold on power. they knew that the minorities voted as a block. whoever got that block vote was starting ahead. it was high time that that cynical behavior was checked, that others were not being given short shrift in their own society, that their values, ideals, sentiments and aspirations were also respected and franchised.

i suppose it is fashionable to condemn the ayodhya destruction today. i suppose that works as long as there are others who can do our dirty work for us. no?

ultimately, to those who say that ayodhya should not have happened, that issues relating to vande mataram and our national anthem should not matter, question to them would be- does anything then? why bother with holding on to your religion, to your nationalism, to your territory? why does one feel badly at the thought of religious conversions, of being converted? at the end of the day, we all get carried out on a stretcher. does anything really matter? if the answer to that is yes, then the answer to ayodhya is an even more resounding yes.

This is an amazing post!👏👏

There however are luckily few people who neither like majority Indians agitating over the anthem, nor probing their seemingly hypocrite nose in trivial matters like shilpa. There are still a few of those people who do not speak against conversions (unless they are forced upon) / other religions and there are those who don't bash foreign land and foreigners, in the name of feeling patriotic that day. Some of those people are not happy for the carnage that followed Ayodhya.. I think that that particular miniscuous minority has the right to sit back and say , " It was a sad day".

I simply loved the way you presented the counter argument and exposed the seemingly hypocritic chunk of the society that bashes babri masjid demolition to be PC, yet in their hearts rejoice. 👏👏.

(No one here is included in the description above seriously- - Thanks, Please PM me if any deletion is desired 😃 )

Originally posted by: mermaid_QT

This is an amazing post!👏👏

There however are luckily few people who neither like majority Indians agitating over the anthem, nor probing their seemingly hypocrite nose in trivial matters like shilpa. There are still a few of those people who do not speak against conversions (unless they are forced upon) / other religions and there are those who don't bash foreign land and foreigners, in the name of feeling patriotic that day. Some of those people are not happy for the carnage that followed Ayodhya.. I think that that particular miniscuous minority has the right to sit back and say , " It was a sad day".

I simply loved the way you presented the counter argument and exposed the seemingly hypocritic chunk of the society that bashes babri masjid demolition to be PC, yet in their hearts rejoice. 👏👏.

(No one here is included in the description above seriously- - Thanks, Please PM me if any deletion is desired 😃 )

oh thanks. of course, there are those of us who genuinely believe that it was a sad day. the question- what does matter- is actually for them. would love to hear from them.

the second part about activists doing our job- that perhaps is a reaction from history. we saw how we lost out when prithviraj chauhan kept allowing mahmud of gazni to walk away after repeated defeats in battle. we saw how our "way of life" and "philosophy" got eroded after that.

unfortunately, we get too apologetical about times when we do react. if hinduism is a dying religion, as some intellectuals in my circle believe it to be, we can thank the lackadaisical attitude that pays lip service to our "way of life" and "spiritual philosophy", but is not ready to do more. sab kuch chalta hai.

also, unlike what newton believed, cause and effect are not immediately linked. if it was, there'd be "no last straw that broke the camel's back". for a lot of causes, there aint any discernible effect. when there is, it might seem like a disproportionate one, but it is often justified. response is often non-linear, as was the case here, but justified imo.

Originally posted by: raksha.l

I am speechless after reading some of the POVs..I am glad to know that there are still some people left, who are not scared to express their opinions freely, without being worried about political correctness..

Raksha, I am not scared of expressing my opinion and being Hindu doesn't mean that one should support what happened that day. I am a Hindu and I condemn the act for the same reasons I gave in my post. I was not being politically correct😛. I didn't offer a rebuttal because I believe this is one of those issues for which one just have an opnion and no amount of arguments would change that.

I thought you wanted different POVs on the issue and not similar nods from all. 😊