US refuses sending raw materials of vaccine to India - Page 7

Originally posted by: monu_tan

It’s come at the worst timing for India, but India will get through this.

We have a government, which would not bootlick US like it’s predecessors but will build its own resources.

The American President last year requested India for HCQ and India obliged, without impacting its own ppl.

Having said this US is no longer a world Leader or super power anymore. Atleast it’s not behaving like one in this time of crisis.

Was there ever a right time for such a thing?

If your Government is so great then why are they so unprepared when they had several months on their hands? Now the people are suffering and dying but you wont stop singing their praises.

First the citizens should question their own government before venting on a completely unrelated party. If anything, it’s coming across as childish and immature.

US has double stock of vaccines than it's population. No one is asking them to help other countries before their own. India is asking for help in the time of crisis. India supplied HCQ when it's own people were going thru a pandemic

Arghhhh, replies in bold. Multi quoting sucks.

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Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Point is NY did have help. Cuomo chose not to use it.The hospital ship wasn't sent by him, and the JJ Center wasn't built by him.

Point is also that they did have the money to use if they wanted to buy more equipment. Is the idea that only the feds should help? Why not let NY pay for it since the state did have money and pay for states which didn't? Isn't that how feds are supposed to work? Saying NY pays taxes therefore feds should pay for it is like U.S. going to the WHO and saying, "Hey, we pay most of your budget, so we should get vaccines free like developing countries." No, the U.S. should pay. Let the poorer countries get for free. It's a crisis situation. We can account for dollars and cents after. [/quote]

NY already supports poor states via taxes. States competing against each other to drive up the prices instead of the fed gov't buying them and allocating only making middle men rich is wrong and inefficient. I don't want to hear any excuses about the incompetency, venality and vindictiveness of the Trump Federal Gov't during Covid.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/did-trump-kushner-ignore-blue-state-covid-19-testing-deaths-ncna1235707

Most troubling of all, perhaps, was a sentiment the expert said a member of Kushner's team expressed: that because the virus had hit blue states hardest, a national plan was unnecessary and would not make sense politically. "The political folks believed that because it was going to be relegated to Democratic states, that they could blame those governors, and that would be an effective political strategy," said the expert.

Originally posted by: elim

US has double stock of vaccines than it's population. No one is asking them to help other countries before their own. India is asking for help in the time of crisis. India supplied HCQ when it's own people were going thru a pandemic

Pfizer and Moderna are ready to supply. Indian government wants to run its own trial before approving for use in Indians. As though the millions of people who used it thus far are not good enough indicator. As though the millions of Americans of Indian ethnicity who used it are not a good enough indicator. And the Indian government refuses to indemnify the companies as governments world over have done.

As someone pointed out, government doesn't want readymade free vaccines which are proven to be more efficacious but wants raw materials which will take more time and cash to manufacture into vaccines which are less efficacious What does that say to you? This is corruption.

Modi sucks. His management skills suck. But that doesn't make US( India's so called friend )better .

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Pfizer and Moderna are ready to supply. Indian government wants to run its own trial before approving for use in Indians. As though the millions of people who used it thus far are not good enough indicator. As though the millions of Americans of Indian ethnicity who used it are not a good enough indicator. And the Indian government refuses to indemnify the companies as governments world over have done.

As someone pointed out, government doesn't want readymade free vaccines which are proven to be more efficacious but wants raw materials which will take more time and cash to manufacture into vaccines which are less efficacious What does that say to you? This is corruption.

Hmm You have a point

Originally posted by: Stella_001

what even

😭😆 chill pill😳

Originally posted by: cutejodikangal

Was there ever a right time for such a thing?

If your Government is so great then why are they so unprepared when they had several months on their hands? Now the people are suffering and dying but you wont stop singing their praises.

First the citizens should question their own government before venting on a completely unrelated party. If anything, it’s coming across as childish and immature.

Stop blaming Modi and his govt😡...He promised a temple and he fulfilled his promise and not only that ...as a bonus India also got its tallest statue ....👏

Originally posted by: Talis

Arghhhh, replies in bold. Multi quoting sucks.

This is not about defending or blaming Trump because he did a lot of wrong as president and leader. It's fact for everyone to see.

But Cuomo was actually worse as Gov of NY.

Once again, there was a hosp ship and JJ Center as hosp for Covid positive patients. Trump didn't make Cuomo send those infected patients to nursing home. Cuomo did it all by himself.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/ny-nursing-home-virus-deaths-undercounted-ag-75539765

Also, yeah. The argument cannot be about money and who pays for it. NY had money. Any suggestion from Trump for states to buy on their own would have LEAST impacted NY and CA. If money was not an issue at that point, how exactly did NY suffer from that order?

Then there is fact there WAS no equipment to be had in the initial few onths. Defense Production Act was brought into play, and equipment was manufactured locally. After that, there was no shortage of equipment.

Re: travel ban. Yes, it should have been more extensive. But Pelosi and Schumer were actually against even the limited travel ban. CA actually benefited from that travel ban because most flights from China went to West Coast than to East.

So no. Trump did a lot of things wrong, but he was not the main reason NY suffered. Cuomo was worse to NY. Trump floundered and was plain insane in some instances. Cuomo ignored the help he had and allowed people to die.

If you want to discuss refusing help to states, do read this:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/13/politics/michigan-joe-biden-gretchen-whitmer-covid-19/index.html

Biden is doing the same thing Trump did. Which is to say it is not possible to help one state over the others in spite of cases skyrocketing in Michigan. 1) Even Americans sometimes forget U.S. is not a direct democracy. It is a republic. President cannot do anything by fiat. 2) It is unfair to punish other states by witholding vaccine because yeah, there is a definite number available and more for Michigan means less for others.

We are saying India should demand accountability from Modi. Americans did that with Trump. We are saying some people are more into Modi support than actually helping the nation. Dunno... I feel defending Cuomo after the lousy job he did is the same. He needs to get kicked out. The incompetence and frank malfeasance on Cuomo's part should not be ignored.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

If you want to discuss refusing help to states, do read this:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/13/politics/michigan-joe-biden-gretchen-whitmer-covid-19/index.html

Biden is doing the same thing Trump did. Which is to say it is not possible to help one state over the others in spite of cases skyrocketing in Michigan. 1) Even Americans sometimes forget U.S. is not a direct democarcy. it is a republic. President cannot do anything by fiat. 2) It is unfair to punish otehr states by witholding vaccine because yeah, there is a definite number available and more for Michigan means less for others.

We are saying India should demand accountability from Modi. Americans did that with Trump. We are saying some people are more into Modi support than actually helping the nation. Dunno... I feel defending Cuomo after the lousy job he did is the same. He needs to get kicked out. The incompetence and frank malfeasance on Cuomo's part should not be ignored.

Once again, Trump knew in JANUARY 2020. He is the main reason every person in the US suffered and the main reason there's been so much death. He withheld that information not only from the public but from other members of the US gov't and state govts. He didn't warn let alone prepare. Even when it spiraled out of control he was using daily briefings to substitute for not being able to campaign. The dumbass wouldn't even wear a mask and basically encourages his followers not to either which is why mask wearing became split along political instead of common sense lines.

He wasn't helping any states. He abdicated Federal responsibility until it was too late and even then did a half arsed job.. Worse he appointed Kushner who's plan was actually to make Blue states suffer so their Dem Governors would lose political clout. Kusher who when asked about the Federal stock pile - said those belonged to "us" not the states. Again, NY had ONE-THIRD all U.S. COVID cases in March. You keep talking about the Retirement home deaths but what about the other 35k who died? What about all the health professionals who didn't have decent PPE? What about the failure of the US gov't to provide Covid tests for tracking and containment - tests they kept promising but didn't deliver because Trump wanted people to stop counting because the numbers made him look bad.

Again, you're ignoring what every other NE state gov't did with a surge of Covid in March and April. You're also ignoring what I posted about the naval ship and how it wasn't even allowed to take Covid patients until April 8th until Cuomo begged them and even then patients had to agree to it which many didn't which is why it only had 40 something instead of 1000 patients. It's also 2 weeks after the misguided plan to send Covid patients back to retirement homes - and at a time when NY hospitals were being overrun by patients. NYC hospitals had patients in tents in parks. Potters field and crematoriums were working overtime. Death on massive scale was happening and it's not because Cuomo or DeBlasio didn't use all the resources available.

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/central-ny/ny-state-of-politics/2021/02/18/a-timeline-of-new-york-s-nursing-home-controversy

Michigan can't be helped because medical reasons - not because Biden is trying to make a state suffer or a Gov fail. Not because he's turning state against state or can't be bothered to govern.

But despite its dire situation, US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Rochelle Walensky explained in frank terms that the time vaccinated patients need to build immunity requires the rejection of Whitmer's pleas.

"If vaccines go in arms today, we will not see an effect of those vaccines, depending on the vaccine, for somewhere between two to six weeks," Walensky said at a White House briefing on Monday.

"So when you have an acute situation, an extraordinary number of cases like we have in Michigan, the answer is not necessarily to give vaccine. In fact, we know that the vaccine will have a delayed response."

"We have to remember the fact that in the next two to six weeks, the variants that we've seen in Michigan -- those variants are also present in other states," Andy Slavitt, White House senior adviser for Covid response, said Monday.

"So our ability to vaccinate people quickly in each of those states, rather than taking vaccines and shifting it to playing whack-a-mole, isn't the strategy that public health leaders and scientists have laid out."