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_Angie_ thumbnail
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Posted: 9 years ago

Sports has never been a priority for India as a country or majority of Indian parents or kids as individuals. Simply put, not too many Indian sports persons doing well enough to inspire parents to put up with all the hassles of taking time off from their busy schedules dropping and picking up kids before or after schools hours, chaperoning them to sports events often at odd times and places. Given the conditions , that kind of time, toil and tears spent on academics is more likely to yield better results.

Though India has an enormous population, its "effectively participating population" in athletics is much smaller. A large part of India's 1.2 billion, when it comes to international athletics, effectively don't count. They're excluded by poor childhood health, physical isolation by poor transportation from the athletics centers in the big cities, or often because they simply are not sufficiently aware of the Olympics or the sports involved. Even the lack of connectedness across Indian communities may play a role, as the idea of competing for national prestige just doesn't carry the same appeal or logic. It's not just that so many Indians are poor, in other words, it's that India itself is so socially and physically fragmented.

The sorry plight of many past medal winners in India doesn't help matters much. For all the national glory they bring - the recognition , adulation or financial support they get is quite short lived. We may deify our cricketers but as a nation have scant respect for our athletes. Since people do not care the govt doesn't care either. Many of our athletes live in penury while the cricket board becomes obscenely rich.


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Posted: 9 years ago

"While 194 firms spent the prescribed amount or more during the year, data shows that there were a total of 266 non-compliant companies and they accounted for an aggregate unspent amount of Rs 2,444 crore."

Thats a huge number of defaulters!!! The excuses given dont seem convincing.
The govt needs to seriously look into it and ensure compliance. What use are "Mandatoty Rules" that get so blatantly overlooked ? If there is a real problem in implementatiion then it merits a solution. A lot can be achieved with that kind of money. There are a lot of social projects languishing for want of funds. Its a shame that the funds could not be put to some good use!
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Posted: 9 years ago
@K- here you go for spikes and "poverty" ..not sappy stories but real stories. http://www.news18.com/news/sports/exclusive-the-sorry-story-of-indias-olympic-preparations-1018796.html about the shoes.

^^^ see Lalita , our latest Olympian qualifier, comes from a poor sappy family and her views on shoes. Check her video iv and qualifying one, the conditions of her shoes be awful .


http://www.news18.com/footballnext/news/power-failure-costs-indian-athletes-rio-olympics-berths-report-1234355.html

^^^ Power failure costed us Olympic berths . Infrastructure?

http://www.thesoftcopy.in/archive/softcopy_2014_15/05-03-15-ruman-ptusha.html PT Usha runs and academy and laments the infrastructure , economic woes and diet too.


Diet- Check the Runners world and compere the diet please of our Olympians to Ethopian and Kenyans.

Economic mileu - A medal winner even at a National game there can earn up around 2,500$ 4 times the annual household income and support their family- big incentive, whoever is throwing that money is also creating infrastructure to nurture this talent unlike in India where we struggle to reward.


If you still think Infrastructure plays no role, then don't know what to say.
Edited by charminggenie - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: charminggenie



Economic mileu - A medal winner even at a National game there can earn up around 2,500$ 4 times the annual household income and support their family- big incentive, whoever is throwing that money is also creating infrastructure to nurture this talent unlike in India where we struggle to reward.


If you still think Infrastructure plays no role, then don't know what to say.

Of course infrastructure does play an important role, Genie! The support system too is an important aspect . Pre medal and post medal support system are both dismal to say the least. Not much encouragement or incentive for taking up sports as a career in India. Its fine as a hobby.

The economic safety net makes it easier for Western (or Japanese or South Korean) would-be Olympians to take a chance on athletics. If an American amateur gymnast spends a few years deemphasizing school so she can labor toward her dream of a gold medal and it doesn't work out, she still has a good shot at a middle class life. But if her Indian equivalent does the same, she may never recover from all those hours she didn't spend on education or job training, making a middle class life less likely for either her or her children.

Quoting a few real life stories of Indian athletes..

From being a two-time bronze, medal winner in the Athens Special Olympics in 2011 to selling gol gappas and papdi chaats, Sita Sahu's tale echoes the story of several sportspersons who have faded into oblivion due to poverty.

Shanti Devi who represented Bihar in 30th , 31st and 32 nd National Kabaddi Team, is now selling vegetables to feed 4 children.

21 year old archer, Nisha Rani Dutt from Jharkhand , who won a bronze in Bangkok Grand Prix and had other success stories in Taiwan, and many national events had to leave sports as she is jobless and found it difficult to follow games and support her poor parents at the same time.

S Santhi the silver medallist at Doha Asian Games, works in a brick kiln to make a living.

The golden Girl PT Usha had her own woes.

Edited by _Angie_ - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
@Angie- Exactly, it's pretty sad when you see the track and field stadium even in Delhi. Mostly they are given for functions and what not. PT Usha has been training few athletes but every year she goes and asks for aids and nobody steps in. I remember those 4 girls who won CWG Gold in relay in Delhi, what happened to them? all the momentum lost and they were having a difficult time meeting their basic needs.
These athletes have no economic incentive or a promise of earning an income for their family . Lack of sponsorship , no National level foundations hinder them alot.


Hockey not only lost it's glory because of change in turf but the mess that was their official body. I believe it's trying hard to pull up and doing a decent job for now.
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Posted: 9 years ago
In Pakistan there is an old rikshaw driver who used to be a national level cyclist.. Won accolades...represented us in Olympics
And now...


It sucks man.. Sports can do soo much!!!! i wish Establishment understood the psychological impact of having an activity thats fun and instills a work ethic and kinship and pride of achievement ... It can be really therapeutic .. Could change the life of someone from say FATA or Waziristan who have grown up in violence...not necessarily becoming an athlete but just having something positive in one's life...
Sports nhi tou scouting pr he focus krlo...

It sucks ... The way we dont think about the little things that could change the course of our nation over next few decades...
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: ..Violetta..

Hello everyone,

Sorry we have met in some discussions which have gone bad .

Just came here to say Hello and GoodNight! 🤗

It's a bit confusing when the username has changed.
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: _Angie_

Sports has never been a priority for India as a country or majority of Indian parents or kids as individuals. Simply put, not too many Indian sports persons doing well enough to inspire parents to put up with all the hassles of taking time off from their busy schedules dropping and picking up kids before or after schools hours, chaperoning them to sports events often at odd times and places. Given the conditions , that kind of time, toil and tears spent on academics is more likely to yield better results.

The sorry plight of many past medal winners in India doesn't help matters much. For all the national glory they bring - the recognition , adulation or financial support they get is quite short lived. We may deify our cricketers but as a nation have scant respect for our athletes. Since people do not care the govt doesn't care either. Many of our athletes live in penury while the cricket board becomes obscenely rich.



How are so many parents and kids finding the time to participate in so many gong shows on TV then? They seem to be lining up for a chance to be on TV. Some of them practically camp outside where auditions are held.

And it's not like the "winners" of these song and dance shows are doing well. No one hears about them after the competitions are over; unless the channels start recycling them as coaches, trainers and what not.

Cricket siphoning off attention and money still doesn't explain why they don't excel in other team sports like field hockey and soccer (football) which also have a decent fan base and a decent media coverage. Like I said in one of my previous posts, funds amounting to crores and crores of rupees were budgeted for a variety of sports; now if you are telling me that these funds are not reaching the "needy and deserving", that's another story.


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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: charminggenie



If you still think Infrastructure plays no role, then don't know what to say.




I was only asking you to compare the infrastructure of Ethiopia and Kenya to that of India's infrastructure. I showed how the sports authority of India functions and what kind of funds were allocated. I asked what mroe should India do compared to what Ethiopia and Kenya are doing.
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: Arwen.



Sports can do soo much!!!! i wish Establishment understood the psychological impact of having an activity thats fun and instills a work ethic and kinship and pride of achievement ... It can be really therapeutic .. Could change the life of someone from say FATA or Waziristan who have grown up in violence...not necessarily becoming an athlete but just having something positive in one's life...





This looks like it belongs in Souro's new debate topic.

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