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Posted: 9 years ago
#11

Originally posted by: LoveToLaugh

The number of "YES" votes bother me. A lot. Any kind of dissent in academic spaces is labelled as "anti-national", but it is disturbing to see ordinary citizens buying that line of crap.


Right to free speech, student activism - it is absolutely necessary for the functioning of any healthy democracy.

Right to free speech is not absolute and unfettered. There are boundaries even in right to free speech, which a citizen of that country is not supposed to cross. If it were not so, then extortion calls made by the underworld, threats to coerce a person, all these should also be allowed. These students are Indians and yet they are talking about waging war against the country, wishing for destruction of the country and even hailing a foreign nation (which is openly hostile towards India) while denouncing India. If they destroy the country, help a foreign nation to subjugate a part or whole of the country, then are they not going to destroy the rights of a lot of people? Why do you think the general population of India, whose freedom they wish to take away, should care about the rights and freedom of some anti-national students?

If the students felt that Afzal Guru has been wrongly hanged, then there are better ways to express it. If they feel that Kashmir deserves independence, that can be discussed in better ways. If they feel that certain articles in the Constitution should be amended, even that can be discussed. Debating on it is fine. Criticising actions of the govt. and laws with reasons and facts is fine. Constitution has been debated and amended lots of times. Laws have also been reviewed and changed many times. Over the years, many people have actually supported independence of Kashmir or criticised the hanging of Afzal Guru, and not all of them are Kashmiris. Others might have criticised and opposed their views, but those people were never put in jail for voicing their views. And that is because, all these were rational discussions. After the discussion, the views may or may not have been endorsed, but the discussion was not stopped from happening, because it was a rational discussion. Therein lies the difference with what happened in JNU. Saying 'Tum kitne Afzal maroge, ghar ghar se Afzal niklega', essentially acknowledges that Afzal Guru was a terrorist but they endorse his terroristic ways and they are threatening that more such terrorists will be created to fight with India. Saying 'Bandook ke dum par azadi', 'Bharat ki barbadi tak jung rahegi', 'Hindustan tere sau tukde honge' are calls for armed war against the state. This is not rational discussion. This is not spreading of information to make the public aware of certain facts which the govt. might have hidden, in hope of winning the public's support for the cause. This is threat of using violence. This is supporting those groups who use violence. Sorry, that's not freedom of speech in any form. And it's ridiculous to demand that a country should allow it. Every country has a right to defend itself, including India. If someone threatens a country with destruction, then the country has every right to destroy that person. The person being a student or the venue being a university is no excuse to expect leniency.
Edited by souro - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
#12
Agreed with all who support the fact that the slogans were anti-national. Liked reading everyone's thoughts. In future I do not want to hear news of 200 children being killed in a terrorist attack yada yada by my own countrymen. Dont play around in the name of democracy. There are hundred other ways to vent out your frustration. If you don't want choose from amongst those 100 ways be ready to face the consequences instantly. No two thoughts on that.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Imagine in US some people shouting " Osama Jindabad" ."Osama tere Katil Jinda hain"
WO Afzal Guru Jo Parliament attack main mastermind hai.SC death sentence rare of the rarest cases main deti hai.Isne Parliament pe attack kia jisko sabse mahatwapurn atan mante hain democracy main.Rightly SC gave him death sentence.
So kuch log ek terrorist ko Sahid batayenge. "Afzal tere katil jinda hain " Katil koun? SC?
"Afzal hum tere armano ko pura karenge " kounse armaan ? Destroying India ?

JNU ko antinational nahin kahunga.Kuch log hain.Unki sankhya kam nahin hai.
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Posted: 9 years ago
#14

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

Antinational - Yes

Seditious - No

To me it is no different from Westboro Baptist Church protesting funerals of soldiers with chants/signs of "God Hates America" and "Soldiers deserve to die".

Unethical. Unappealing. Abrasive. Offensive. Disturbing. But still constitutionally protected expression.



what does the law about sedition say, basically? 😕
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Posted: 9 years ago
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the very fact that they said desh ki barbadi, dividing india, kashmir independence, etc made my blood boil.

of course they were antinational.

I can't say if they are seditious, because, as mentioned in my reply to rth, I'm not too sure what the law says about sedition.

Personally, I would gun those b$$$$$ds down.

Or rather, I would organize a ram janmabhoomi movement, get those mad karsevaks to shout hindu slogans and wave their saffron flags, seeing as these jnu mf'ers hate hindus so much, and destroy jnu, just like in ayodhya. That would be a fitting reply to them.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: LoveToLaugh

The number of "YES" votes bother me. A lot. Any kind of dissent in academic spaces is labelled as "anti-national", but it is disturbing to see ordinary citizens buying that line of crap.


Right to free speech, student activism - it is absolutely necessary for the functioning of any healthy democracy.

surely right to speech is necessary so as student activism bt is it really a healthy/ positive activism??
i mean slogans of struggle till dey destroy the nation dey are citizen of, supporting a person who killed innocents a terrorist and insulting judicial system of nation is how much healthy?
what is d path dey are choosing for nation or future for themselves? a path of a developed and strong democracy and being a part of government body to make nation better or to destroy the nation, harming innocents and become terroists
if dey werent being anti nationalist what were dey trying to prove actually
what afzal guru did was right?
by destroying d nation dey justice will be achieved?
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Posted: 9 years ago
#17

Originally posted by: mr.ass

the very fact that they said desh ki barbadi, dividing india, kashmir independence, etc made my blood boil.

of course they were antinational.

I can't say if they are seditious, because, as mentioned in my reply to rth, I'm not too sure what the law says about sedition.

Personally, I would gun those b$$$$$ds down.

Or rather, I would organize a ram janmabhoomi movement, get those mad karsevaks to shout hindu slogans and wave their saffron flags, seeing as these jnu mf'ers hate hindus so much, and destroy jnu, just like in ayodhya. That would be a fitting reply to them.

an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind
no doubt dey are wrong bt dat doesn't mean hindus fight against them like this as it will lead only to destruction and harm to innocents den what will be d difference it shouldnt be any religion bt whole nation needs to fight against dese anti national people
in times like dis nation needs to be united keeping aside their variations and dat will teach such people a lesson if we fight and destroy eachother we will help dem in being sucessful as destruction is what dey want
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Posted: 9 years ago
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In my opinion terming who university as anti national is wrong coz university involves every single part of it which consists many innocent students as well as staff members
bt certainly a part or group of jnu is surely antinational which includes staff as well students kyunk its impossible dat staff had no idea of d students doing so i think its a joint effort of anti national grp
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Posted: 9 years ago
#19
There is no doubt that JNU slogans were anti-national, but a few questions.
Are the JNU students intentionally anti-national or are they people raging against systematic oppression but do not know how to do it?

Are they at genuine risk of actually harming the nation or are they all bark no bite annoyances that can reasonably be ignored?

Is squashing dissenting voices in this case beneficial to the country in the short and long run. Or are authorities making martyrs out of them?

While it is completely alright for civilians to be passionate, was it in the democratic interest of the country to have lawyers and policemen at the courtroom who acted in a clearly biased manner and executed violence against media? Irrespective of emotions and sentiments are some institutions expected to behave with reason not passion? Is it not a dangerous precedent when lawyers and cops are more than happy to break protocol and treat people "guilty until proven innocent"? Should the government at least ask more from lawyers and cops?


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Posted: 9 years ago
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^^

"are they people raging against systematic oppression but do not know how to do it? "

Come on now! The event organizers were inviting campus students to gather for a protest march against "judicial killing of Afzal Guru and Maqbool Bhat". How the heck can that even be misconstrued as a misguided attempt to protest against systematic oppression?! What kind of a deflection is that?!

Clearly, things backfired on the organizers, they didn't anticipate outside elements like JKLF to get involved in this so they are now resorting to pulling the minority-Muslim card and/or the dalit/OBC/SC/ST/Adivasi card to save their stank behinds.

This whole thing is as farcical as that intolerance "debate" the country witnessed a few months back.


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