Do you think so JNU anti nationalist?

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Do you think so JNU anti nationalist?

Manan

@Proud-India

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Posted: 10 years ago

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Do you think so JNU anti nationalist?

Also Aligardh Muslim University & Jamia Milia Islamia University which all are Leftist thinkers and that's why always against what right wingers and national thinking & religious views ?

How you support If YES or If NO?

What you want to tell about stands of political parties like ruling BJP in center ...AAP at Delhi & Left & INC in opposition ??

How you support LEFT Thinking & RIGHT thinking ?

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Seig heil

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Posted: 10 years ago

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Koi shak

Though JMI is cool and is far better than JNU

Probably coz not much of student politics happens there

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Vanita

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Posted: 10 years ago

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I have not seen that video.Did the whole JNU students shouted slogans against India?If yes then it's anti national.

If No then it's not fair to call the whole university anti-national just because of few students.

First of all,why do these students indulge in politics?They have gone there to study and earn degrees and not to get involved in politics.🤢I guess almost every university has this problem.

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return_to_hades

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Posted: 10 years ago

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Antinational - Yes

Seditious - No

To me it is no different from Westboro Baptist Church protesting funerals of soldiers with chants/signs of "God Hates America" and "Soldiers deserve to die".

Unethical. Unappealing. Abrasive. Offensive. Disturbing. But still constitutionally protected expression.

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souro

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Posted: 10 years ago

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Originally posted by: return_to_hades
Antinational - Yes
Seditious - No

To me it is no different from Westboro Baptist Church protesting funerals of soldiers with chants/signs of "God Hates America" and "Soldiers deserve to die".

Unethical. Unappealing. Abrasive. Offensive. Disturbing. But still constitutionally protected expression.

But if the thoughts and intentions expressed by the actions are seditious, e.g. 'Bharat ki barbadi tak jung karenge', 'Bharat ke sau tukde karenge', etc. kind of slogans; then isn't the action seditious as well. May not be as serious as actually picking up a gun and fighting against the nation, but still a threat, where they are trying to organise people against the nation and in support of their secessionist agenda.

Moreover, if they do not believe in the state, its institutions and its constitution, then how can they take refuge behind the rights given by the constitution of that same state?

If they believe harming/ attacking the nation or supporting hostile elements against the nation is fair and their right, then shouldn't it be equally fair that the nation also has a right to harm them? For that matter, since destroying the nation is going to harm a lot of people, all people who think they will be harmed because of destruction of the nation, has a fair right to harm them (the one's advocating destruction of the nation).

If they want to wage war against the nation, then they should accept that they can get killed as well in that war. Why cry about it.

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return_to_hades

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Posted: 10 years ago

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In my viewpoint

"I/We will destroy a nation" is a personal expression. It has bark but no bite.

"Everyone should collaborate to destroy the nation" is sedition, especially if it is inciting and instigating people to act in a treasonous manner.

Texas Governor Rick Perry often spoke about seceding from the United States. Several leaders over the years have talked about seceding humorously as well as seriously. While in essence secession is threat to break up the United States into fragments, it has been protected as free speech.

I understand that most people do not draw that distinction. Moreover, I understand that legally in India IPC 124-A has a more stringent definition of sedition compared to other nations. So yes, I do agree that one ought to know the law and its consequences. But protesting that law is fair game too.

I also believe there is a distinction between being anti establishment/institution versus being actually against the idea of the nation. Most of these student protesters appear to be frustrated with the establishment rather than genuinely being anti-Indian. While it is fair to punish people for what can be legally defined as sedition; I do not think it is in the best interest of the nation in the long run to suppress "rowdy" but actually "harmless" lot of idiots who do not know how to constructively address issues. Resources maybe better allocated to more "real" threats.

The situation also reminds me of how Black Panthers were (are) perceived in USA. The white majority sees them as violent, racist and treasonous. Colored minorities perceive them as fighting the system rather being anti-national.

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Aditi Bhatnagar

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Posted: 10 years ago

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Well of course it is. It's the duty of the university administration to see what's going on in their freaking campus and the preps for the so called main event was going on for 1.5 month. Don't tell me none apart from the so called miscreants were aware of what's going on. Those slogans were anti national. And there were posters supporting the same. Videos floating on news channels are a clear give away. My parents or the head of the house decides photos, posters etc to be attached in the house. Basically they are the main decision makers. They will definitely not support anti national stuff. Same goes to the freaking university heads what the hell were they doing its their responsibility to stop whatever was happening as they have full authority. Police action was the most apt thing which the prime minister head of the country or his subordinates have every right to do people like it or not. Jis thali main khaya ussi main chura bhonka. And these are the few reasons im inclining towards Modi more and more. You have to set these miscreants right otherwise they will take undue advantage of democracy. Hell do these people even know the d of democracy. Is this a joke? Is this a substitute for fewer to almost nil terrorist attacks in the country of late ? Serious action is required instantly right there. If immediate action is not taken, tomorrow we will hear news of people burning public property in turn causing injuries to few more people in order to get their voices heard out of their so called frustration. This is definitely not democracy. Not that it might not happen in future, but people will think twice being well aware of the repurcussions.

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LoveToLaugh

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Posted: 10 years ago

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The number of "YES" votes bother me. A lot. Any kind of dissent in academic spaces is labelled as "anti-national", but it is disturbing to see ordinary citizens buying that line of crap.

Right to free speech, student activism - it is absolutely necessary for the functioning of any healthy democracy.

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Posted: 10 years ago

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Originally posted by: LoveToLaugh
The number of "YES" votes bother me. A lot. Any kind of dissent in academic spaces is labelled as "anti-national", but it is disturbing to see ordinary citizens buying that line of crap.

Right to free speech, student activism - it is absolutely necessary for the functioning of any healthy democracy.

Dissent? 😆... yeh sure, that's a bit like saying Nazism wasn't antisemitic, it was just "dissent".

Calling for the destruction of the country, wanting the nation to be broken into pieces, supporting jihadis and islamists and wanting to fulfill their dreams, is anti-national, let's call a spade a spade. If I were to say "I hate gays", that would make me a homophobe, you would not call it "dissent", what a pathetic piss poor excuse to justify antinational comments.

These students are useful idiots, delusional revolutionary-wannabes, regressive lefty nutjobs who think they're doing something good without a clue of the real world.

Right to free speech cuts both ways, if these clowns want to make antinational comments under the cover of "free-speech", then they should prepare to be blasted for it by others. I don't buy the free-speech argument to defend seditious speech, which is what these students have been engaging in. Such speech should not be allowed and tolerated in civil society, especially in a country like India which is under threat from neighbouring hostile nations and many terrorist organisations.

What's amusing is just how easily these students are brainwashed by these hateful ideologies. Don't these students have a life?, whatever happened to having fun at uni?, why are they deluding themselves thinking they are "revolutionaries"?, better stick to studying, and if you want to do some good, then learn real world issues first.

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Posted: 10 years ago

The obnoxious anti India and pro- pakistan and pro- terrorist attacking India were definitely anti-national and seditious.

This is what happens when education is doled out almost free to some institutions. The highly subsidised facilities be it college fees, hostel, mess, library etc makes the students take everything for granted. and while away their time in such non academic activities. Its a total misuse of tax payers money.

The University authorities should also be taken to task. Some faculties there are known repeat offenders. Any responsible govt would do well to keep a close on such universities to prevent them from turning into breeding ground for ant- social and anti national elements.

On one hand we have the PM of the country trying to woo bussiness to India by Make in India campaign and here we have these goons busy shouting slogans to break India.

The sloganeers should be identified and rounded up immediately. They can be set free to migrate to the country of their choice and pursue their freedom of expression and free education from there. That should make then realise things in their right perspective.

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