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Saying "all lives matter" is like going to an AIDS benefit and holding a sign saying "Cancer kills too".

"All lives matter" is like going to the Doctor for a broken arm and he says "all bones matter". Ok, but right now, let's take care of this broken one.

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White privilege is real ya'll.

@souro - amazing you still have these! Way before my time but parents still fondly reminisce that golden era of tennis.

Originally posted by: hindu4lyf

@souro - amazing you still have these! Way before my time but parents still fondly reminisce that golden era of tennis.

Originally posted by: hindu4lyf

Saying "all lives matter" is like going to an AIDS benefit and holding a sign saying "Cancer kills too".

"All lives matter" is like going to the Doctor for a broken arm and he says "all bones matter". Ok, but right now, let's take care of this broken one.

Not quite! Black lives is a part of All lives and so are White lives, Hispanic lives, Asian lives and so on. Which makes "All lives" one entity and Black/White/Hispanic a part of that single entity. So, if we have to stick with the same analogy as given in Tumblr (😆) we would first map "All lives" to one person and then map black lives to AIDS, White lives to Cancer and so on. We care for all lives so we care for the well-being of that person. We care for Black lives so we want the person to be free of AIDS. We care for White lives so we want the person to be free of cancer and that's how we advance the analogy.

In the second analogy, the comparison is not accurate. If there is at least one broken bone, then of course all broken bones matter and need treatment. if there is only one broken bone, why would the doctor say "all bones matter" (or treat all good bones) ?! That doesn't even make sense.

This was yesterday night: in St. Paul, MN

But otherwise, it was "largely peaceful"

Originally posted by: hindu4lyf

@Krystal - Oh, 100% agree there. But let's compare and contrast. A potential president spewing venom about building a wall at the border and making Mexicans pay for it vs. an (ex) UKIP leader demonising refugees in a Leave poster, causing such public outrage that even the Leave campaigners wanted nothing to do with him. Unlike those vids you see online of people openly supporting Trump, try publicly announcing your support for UKIP and you'll be greeted with nothing but disgust by almost everyone. (unless maybe, if you live in Barking and Dagenham, that somehow got the BNP in lol)

Thought it was pretty clear it was just an analogy someone posted on Tumblr, not an ultimate source of information. Not too sure why that's funny, but erm, OK. Talk about major dissection of an anology lol

Just to make it clear - I agree, essentially all lives (or if we're still going with the above analogy, bones) do matter - hispanic, black, white, asian etc. The point here is that the black community (the broken arm) are often treated as disposable, of less value..and that's the problem. American society (the doctor) traditionally priviliges white people (the rest of the bones)

Let's take a recent example in the news given you're clearly not a fan of Tumblr - Brock Turner. How long do you think the sentence would've been if it was a black/POC male, also an "athletic swimmer". Would the same leniency have been extended? If the judge who gave the sentencing's record is anything to go by, clearly not. So clearly, there's a case here where those supporting the BLM movement feel that the entire system is against them (police, judges/the legal system, most definitely the media) Tamir Rice, Sandra Bland to name a few..victims of this system and yet to see justice. In all likelihood, probably never will.

Analogy galore...
https://m.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/3du1qm/eli5_why_is_it_so_controversial_when_someone_says/?utm_source=mweb_redirect&compact=true

The attorney explains that the policeman fired as a reaction to display of the gun and not race.

Since the citizens have a right to possess firearms for their protection it is ironical that the mere sight of the gun caused such an exaggerated reaction that multiple deadly shots were fired to kill the possessor without any clear perception of threat. Difficult to say if the policeman would have panicked similarly had it been a white man instead. If the GF had possessed a gun would she be within her rights to shoot the policeman in self defense as a perceived threat? The Gun culture seems to have a wide acceptance!

With growing sense of injustice , protests are bound to follow. Working out effective means of peaceful protest can be quite a challenge. Mass protests in the form of processions can never be guaranteed to turn out peaceful. With charged emotions , safety in numbers and almost zero accountability it takes very little for a mob to turn violent. Even the ablest of leaders would find it very difficult to control a mob frenzy.

Originally posted by: hindu4lyf

Thought it was pretty clear it was just an analogy someone posted on Tumblr, not an ultimate source of information. Not too sure why that's funny, but erm, OK. Talk about major dissection of an anology lol

Just to make it clear - I agree, essentially all lives (or if we're still going with the above analogy, bones) do matter - hispanic, black, white, asian etc. The point here is that the black community (the broken arm) are often treated as disposable, of less value..and that's the problem. American society (the doctor) traditionally priviliges white people (the rest of the bones)

Let's take a recent example in the news given you're clearly not a fan of Tumblr - Brock Turner. How long do you think the sentence would've been if it was a black/POC male, also an "athletic swimmer". Would the same leniency have been extended? If the judge who gave the sentencing's record is anything to go by, clearly not. So clearly, there's a case here where those supporting the BLM movement feel that the entire system is against them (police, judges/the legal system, most definitely the media) Tamir Rice, Sandra Bland to name a few..victims of this system and yet to see justice. In all likelihood, probably never will.

Analogy galore...
https://m.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/3du1qm/eli5_why_is_it_so_controversial_when_someone_says/?utm_source=mweb_redirect&compact=true

it's OK if you don't want to respond to me directly; I am not chatting either. I am just trying to find what I think is faulty logic.

If an an analogy is proffered to advance a point which is being contested even before the analogy was made, I believe a dissection of that analogy is justified.

As for the "reddit" article, if the phrase "black lives matter" actually means "black lives matter too", then why can't "all lives matter" mean "all lives matter too"?

I get the underlying sense of injustice.Somehow blacks lives are being trivialized by all these killings by cops so, yeah, "black lives matter too". But then, we already pointed out that white lives are being lost too in cops' killings. Hispanic lives are being lost too, in cops' killings. So where's the sense of injustice there? Does the heart beat only for blacks? Shouldn't all lives matter too?

Seems to me that some of the folks talking about trigger happy cops are not worried that cops are trigger happy when it comes to all. Their only concern is that cops are trigger happy when it comes to blacks.To me, that doesn't sound right.

Originally posted by: _Angie_

If the GF had possessed a gun would she be within her rights to shoot the policeman in self defense as a perceived threat?

Hell no!

Even pointing a toy gun at a cop is suicide. In fact, there are many who choose that path - easy, "painless" death by cops. You may Google "suicide by cop" to find out more.