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BirdieNumNum

@CuckooCutter7

Dazzler

Posted: 10 years ago

#41

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

😆 actually You dont.😆

So let me explain it to you. 😊 A model is only as good as it can explain reality. The reality is that people in India report they are quite happy, in fact happier than people in the US. The mumbo jumbo quackery you posted is what your favorite bunch of economists and statisticians would have us believe. They'd say that Indians SHOULD be miserable because they have a bunch of numbers they put into a mixie that spit out their results. But as it turns out, their predictions dont square with what people report. Now any good data scientist should go back and check his/ her model. Hope you get that now? You dont have to be einstein to understand that. 😆

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@K.Universe.

Voyager

Posted: 10 years ago

#42

Originally posted by: BirdieNumNum

you're missing the point. For a rich country, they're not so happy. That's point 1.

GDP per capita was only one of the six factors which they considered. Are you assuming that the rich nations scored highly in that category, scored badly in other categories, but somehow the first factor skewed the results to place them at the top? Did you even see the charts?

hey'd be in hell if they were any less rich. That's point 2.

How is this point any different than the first "point" you made? heck, you could combine both and still they wouldn't make half a point. Come on now!

Hope that helps.😊

Yeah. It did. It is putting me to sleep.

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@K.Universe.

Voyager

Posted: 10 years ago

#43

Originally posted by: BirdieNumNum

😆 actually You dont.😆

Sure! Whatever makes you happy.

So let me explain it to you. 😊 A model is only as good as it can explain reality. The reality is that people in India report they are quite happy, in fact happier than people in the US. The mumbo jumbo quackery you posted is what your favorite bunch of economists and statisticians would have us believe. They'd say that Indians SHOULD be miserable because they have a bunch of numbers they put into a mixie that spit out their results. But as it turns out, their predictions dont square with what people report. Now any good data scientist should go back and check his/ her model. Hope you get that now? You dont have to be einstein to understand that. 😆

Stop being dense now. They gave the same damn questionnaire to all participants. It's the participants' replies that determined the rank.

Discard the models? Tell your boss that you want to discard the Black-Scholes model or any other options pricing model that you guys follow and say that you would rather trade "happily". See if you still have a job on Monday.

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@K.Universe.

Voyager

Posted: 10 years ago

#44

Souro, I think I agree with what you said.

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AnuMP

@AnuMP

Rocker

Posted: 10 years ago

#45

Happiness index is an objective meausre and is inherently flawed as what makes me happy need not necessarily make anyone else happy.

That being said, the index shows some material measures which ought to contribute to happiness. Some of it may be from delusion, but it is what it is.

@Birdie if the Mexican fisherman or Indian farmer were so happy and already had what the Harvard MBA wanted, there would not be so many waiting in line to migrate. The US would not have to contemplate building a fence to keep Mexican fishermen out😆. People vote with their feet. http://www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/publications/migration/migration-wallchart-2013.shtml

In addition, the posts are contradictory. On one hand with that story, you seem to say that money does not buy happiness. Then in another post, you say that if the developed nations were not rich, they would not be happy.

Edited by AnuMP - 10 years ago

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_Angie_

@_Angie_

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Posted: 10 years ago

#46

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

Anyway, the reason we are talking about "happiness" and "well-being" is to emphasize on one of the factors "social support" - positive social relations, characterized by values such as trust, benevolence and shared social identities, ers here.all necessary to debunk the mental unhealthiness of American society used by some to support their theory as to why there are more serial kill

The way I see it K, if mental unhealthiness of American society is debunked as a cause for topping the list of serial killers, the alternative theory that the American society in full possession of healthy mental faculties, topping the list of serial killers, would appear to be even more worrisome!

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AnuMP

@AnuMP

Rocker

Posted: 10 years ago

#47

@Angie

The point is that the psychological twist causing serial killing in a few cannot be extrapolated to the whole population.

Also United States counts it within its statistics even if one of the murders happens within its borders. It would be helpful to know how other countries define serial killers.

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BirdieNumNum

@CuckooCutter7

Dazzler

Posted: 10 years ago

#48

Originally posted by: AnuMP
Happiness index is an objective meausre and is inherently flawed as what makes me happy need not necessarily make anyone else happy.

That being said, the index shows some material measures which ought to contribute to happiness. Some of it may be from delusion, but it is what it is.

@Birdie if the Mexican fisherman or Indian farmer were so happy and already had what the Harvard MBA wanted, there would not be so many waiting in line to migrate. The US would not have to contemplate building a fence to keep Mexican fishermen out😆. People vote with their feet. http://www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/publications/migration/migration-wallchart-2013.shtml

In addition, the posts are contradictory. On one hand with that story, you seem to say that money does not buy happiness. Then in another post, you say that if the developed nations were not rich, they would not be happy.

no contradiction there, sorry to inform you😆. I am just pointing out the many flaws on K/ your side. My point is that if money explains happiness as your report says it should, then US should be happier than she is. Simple point. The key assumption is IF. A lot of hokum, but then that's the basis of your report.😆

as for people lining up to come to the US, who are we comparing that with? Indians? Out of a population of 1.2+ billion, we have a few hundred thousand apply and you call that "lining up"? People in any case THINK they would be happier if they could just come over West. For a bunch of reasons that economists cant explain and that your report cannot, it still turns out that people in America are no where happier than people in India. But of coure K and you would say that people who claim to be happy dont know what they are talking about.. Go figure. You guys know, and the rest who are self-reporting do not, is that it?😆

the weird thing in your report is that you have a bunch of economists telling you how happy you are or should be, and you buy that version, more than what people themselves report.

next thing, we'll have economists tell us how much we enjoy sex based on certain math models. Your side would lap that up too, right? Talk of quackery😆

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@K.Universe.

Voyager

Posted: 10 years ago

#49

Birdie, you are abusing the word quackery. If anything, the report published the opposite of quackery

You are fixated on the money factor used by the survey and ignoring 5 other variables that it used. I can't help you if you willfully ignore 5 of the elements contributing to the overall "well-being".

I am not interested in comparing US and India. India has 116 countries ranked higher that it can compare itself to, while US has 14.

I said millions are lining up to come to US. That's from all over the world. Talk about twisting words.

I said economists, statisticians and neuroscientists are involved in formulating questions. You choose to focus solely on economists. Wat are you, myopic?

If you have any fine-tuning suggestions, maybe you should talk to the Gallup guys. I am sure these models have room for improvement.

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BirdieNumNum

@CuckooCutter7

Dazzler

Posted: 10 years ago

#50

Originally posted by: K.Universe.
Birdie, you are abusing the word quackery. If anything, the report published the opposite of quackery

You are fixated on the money factor used by the survey and ignoring 5 other variables that it used. I can't help you if you willfully ignore 5 of the elements contributing to the overall "well-being".

I am not interested in comparing US and India. India has 116 countries ranked higher that it can compare itself to, while US has 14.

I said millions are lining up to come to US. That's from all over the world. Talk about twisting words.

I said economists, statisticians and neuroscientists are involved in formulating questions. You choose to focus solely on economists. Wat are you, myopic?

If you have any fine-tuning suggestions, maybe you should talk to the Gallup guys. I am sure these models have room for improvement.

thats the problem with quackery. It comes couched in terminology and methodology that would make a head spin, but doesn't serve much use. Economists are masters at it. They are never wrong even if they are never right. Neuroscientists too for all their brilliance are out of their depths when it comes to explaining how things like consciousness work. They'll be able to tell you which part of the brain has an orgasm when it sees a hot chick. But nothing more...

Gallup in particular was way off compared to others on recent presidential polls. They used all kinds of psephologists, statisticians etc and that didnt help them do any better... The guys who sold CDO-squared also had models, great models. But they almost brought down the world's financial system.

you brought up Black Scholes, which is like fin 00001 for some people. You know what, if it started to perform dismally in explaining real world option prices, we'd chuck them out and look for other things. As it is, the volatilities that drive those models are just a convenient shorthand for exchanging information about option prices. No option trader worth anything will consider them infallible... And no, i dont trade just options or coorelations. Those would be too poor.😆

you also mentioned India being at #115. Again, that's according to your report. The report from IPSOS which imo has more expertise in dealing with social issues has India at #4, with US behind. And it makes sense.Even things like life expectancy do not equate to happiness. Zindagi achi honi chahiye, sirf lambi nahi.😆.In fact you should yourself question anyone being able to quantify and come up with a happiness index as if happiness could be quantified. Talking of which, the west excels in putting out statistics for all kinds of things. They have more numbers for baseball or football or anything than the underlying. It's like mutual funds and hedge funds- there are more of them than even the underlying securities...

basically you seem to have blind faith in models. I do not. And that's coming from someone who might have seen a model or two 😊 Anyway, you can have it if you want... you win by dint of stamina.😆

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