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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: iMini

[ technically it's definitely wrong to do so.I believe RTH used the comparison just to make his point clear.No need to debate over this.

I dont think so. Getting rid of a parasite is very different from getting rid of a human foetus. A lot more issues involved in it. If someone considers the human foetus a parasite it negates all those issues that would be involved in getting rid of the former.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: zorrro


<div></div>I dont think so. Getting rid of a parasite is very different from getting rid of a human foetus. A lot more issues involved in it. If someone considers the human foetus a parasite it negates all those issues that would be involved in getting rid of the former.

yes I agree.
Many many more issues,but when a foetus clear cut harmful(like a parasite) it needs to be perished.If the mother is going to be harmed than darn the law,darn the society/father's wish,she just should get rid of it.
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Posted: 10 years ago
#43

Originally posted by: iMini

I will want the parents to abort their babies irrespective of their gender if they feel they can't take care of baby girl but can parent a baby boy.
It's a social problem.
Both males and females are equally vulnerable and need equal attention from parents.How can a 5 yr old boy be more powerful than his female counterpart? how can a 15 yr old boy be more powerful than his female counterpart? I see no logic when people say genitals determine ones power and vulnerability.
I am a girl,but I find myself more powerful than many of the boys my age.Parents need to stop being overprotective for one gender and least bothered about the other.


@ bold : i didnt get what u were trying to say here..😕

@ blue : i agree..

@ red : i wasnt talking about genitals in isolation, though genitals are an intrinsic part of a gender..but i was more leaning towards physiological-biological difference in males & females..men & women are equal , therez no denying that ; men & women are different , therez no denying that either..

P.S.. cant believe i am back to discussing the same thing again....this part was discussed in almost all feminism related topics in this forum..and so , i am not willing to partake the discussion anymore especially bcoz it is deviating from the topic of discussion here..😊
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Posted: 10 years ago
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@Quixotic5
bold:- you mentioned that girls need more care than boys and that's the logic behind why some parents prefer male to female.It's an illogical excuse.
red:- what are the physiological differences you are talking about which makes girls more vulnerable? I am curious.
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Posted: 10 years ago
#45

Originally posted by: iMini

@Quixotic5
bold:- you mentioned that girls need more care than boys and that's the logic behind why some parents prefer male to female.It's an illogical excuse.
red:- what are the physiological differences you are talking about which makes girls more vulnerable? I am curious.


I Concede..😊
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Posted: 10 years ago
#46

Originally posted by: iMini

I will want the parents to abort their babies irrespective of their gender if they feel they can't take care of baby girl but can parent a baby boy.
It's a social problem.
Both males and females are equally vulnerable and need equal attention from parents.How can a 5 yr old boy be more powerful than his female counterpart? how can a 15 yr old boy be more powerful than his female counterpart? I see no logic when people say genitals determine ones power and vulnerability.
I am a girl,but I find myself more powerful than many of the boys my age.Parents need to stop being overprotective for one gender and least bothered about the other.

@bold --- you see no logic, there is no logic. But 90% of Indian population prefers males over females for a child :)
Parents, people all over have to stop this preferences. That is why the legislations like MTP, PCPNDT were introduced that put a bar on uncertified/unattested(?) abortion after 12 weeks(with an extention period of upto 20 weeks - which would warrant more strict regulations/conditons for abortion). It is after 12 weeks, the sex of a foetus can be determined.
@red --- that would comprise 90% of the population... where would the nation head to if people would begin aborting.
Actually, the "red" is sorta confusing.. 😕 "irrespective of the gender if they cannot take care of girl..." can you please clarify?
About people saying there is a requirement for more freedom to abort in cases of unplanned pregnancy, I think when a woman skips her period(3-4 weeks...lets even consider 2 months i.e. 8 weeks) , it is a given she will retrospect on this, and abortion within 12 weeks is legal!
The governmental legislations are not done in a jiffy SO MANY intellectual, sincere, responsible public servants and experts sit on this and work their ass out... people need to respect and try to understand the motive, the intentions, the consequences, the goal, the ramifications of something otherwise, the OVERALL perspective and the backdrop while reading legislations ..
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Posted: 10 years ago
#47

Originally posted by: iMini

comparing female foeticide to abortion is like comparing homicide to volunteered death IMO.



Excellent point. I wish I had thought of it earlier. Female foeticide and abortion are not one and the same.

Abortion is a woman's right to choose.

Female foeticide along with dowry is one of the many illegal social practices resulting from generations of patriarchy placing men above women.

Attacking abortion rights does not protect female fetus. If the distaste for female child is strong enough people will do it illegally or even kill a child after birth. What we need to attack is the male preference. Educate and uplift people so that they understand that both male and female children are equal and equally desirable. Once society no longer has a distaste for the female child, female foeticide is out of the question.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: return_to_hades

If the distaste for female child is strong enough people will do it illegally or even kill a child after birth. What we need to attack is the male preference. Educate and uplift people so that they understand that both male and female children are equal and equally desirable. Once society no longer has a distaste for the female child, female foeticide is out of the question.


Precisely ! and in order to achieve this goal , society needs to dig deeper to understand the root cause of the problem so that it can be dealt with efficiently..there could be many reasons for this general perception in the society wherein male children are preferred over female children..on the contrary, branding the reasons behind such perceptions as 'illogical' & thereby forestalling the way to a proper feasible solution is hardly going to help this cause..running away from the truth or terming the truth 'illogical' is not a logical approach in my opinion..
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Posted: 10 years ago
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@angelikedevil
By red I meant if you wanna abort a female foetus on grounds that you willnt be able to pay the needed attention, you have no rights to give birth to a baby boy either since both male and female babies need equal attention.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: return_to_hades



Excellent point. I wish I had thought of it earlier. Female foeticide and abortion are not one and the same.

Abortion is a woman's right to choose.

Female foeticide along with dowry is one of the many illegal social practices resulting from generations of patriarchy placing men above women.

Attacking abortion rights does not protect female fetus. If the distaste for female child is strong enough people will do it illegally or even kill a child after birth. What we need to attack is the male preference. Educate and uplift people so that they understand that both male and female children are equal and equally desirable. Once society no longer has a distaste for the female child, female foeticide is out of the question.

But RTH, how could the government cut down female foeticide?
Bringing down female foeticide is one of the goals(a significant one) of MTP or PCPNDT Acts, the former regulating abortion...it's the only way.
I believe for a few generations there will be people who see the girl child as a nuisance. But, as many females are getting saved under this act, it does have a bright side, despite the fact that they might be mistreated, they will grow up, educated and well-informed na? This will pave the way for a more matured society...

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