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Posted: 10 years ago
#41

(I received the following email from a cardiologist in Iraq)

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Dear Peace Seeker,

I have secretly forwarded your email with the attached book Urantia United - Tapping Into The Mind Of God, to some of my colleagues at the hospital. We are in agreement that the philosophy within that book can possibly be the starting point that is needed to educate and change the ideology of the Muslims who are now committing dastardly terrorist attacks against innocent civilians.

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The book is 607 pages and is FREE by emailing me at peaceseeker3000@gmail.com or you can get it for $0.99 at Urantia .
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Posted: 10 years ago
#42

Originally posted by: peaceseeker

Should the Quran not be edited to remove the "kill the non-Muslims" phrases so terrorists can NOT justify their evil acts?


No the Quran should never ever be edited. That is what so special about it. It is perfect they way it is. A Muslim is someone who believes the Quran from cover to cover - no cherry picking. Also Quran is a balance book - it talks about war & peace, seen & unseen, signs & science, rights & wrongs, rewards & punishments, so context matter - no taking it out of context. If one cannot see the entire picture, but chooses to see a tiny part of it, then their brain needs to be edited not the book 😛 😆
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Posted: 10 years ago
#43

Originally posted by: peaceseeker

Should the Quran not be edited to remove the "kill the non-Muslims" phrases so terrorists can NOT justify their evil acts?

I guess a foot note to explain its broader meaning would also be useful.
But words like "kill" anyone should not be there. Common people will misinterpret them. There should be a panel of good learned persons to advise on this.
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Posted: 10 years ago
#44

Originally posted by: .chiquita.


No the Quran should never ever be edited... If one cannot see the entire picture, but chooses to see a tiny part of it, then their brain needs to be edited not the book 😛 😆

Times change and our perceptions of Allah/God should change as our minds learn truths that were not before revealed.
This picture shows the messengers of God witnessing the entire history and the evolution of the universe and our varying perceptions of Allah/God; the beginning of physical rational life in the universe and the bonding of the first two souls that was the beginning of a spiritual unity; the development of mankind and man's first perception of God from the story of Adam & Eve; Abraham & Moses, their quest into spirituality, their interaction with God and the beginning of Judaism; God's interaction with Jesus & his life and death; the beginning of Christianity & the senseless killings in the Crusades; God's interaction with Muhammad, the beginning of the Islam faith and the Twin Towers tragedy of 9-11-01.
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Posted: 10 years ago
#45
@ .Chiquita.
I have few questions for you , first of all , please dont take an offence to it ,these are honest questions & i feel like this is the best platform to get it cleared..moreover, i have seen you & peaceseeker quoting lines from Quran , so it seems like u r the best possible knowledgeable people to get it cleared from.. also please note that i have no idea about whats in the Quran , have only heard a few things here & there through my Muslim friends & i feel like "little knowledge is a dangerous thing"..so its best to clear it out instead of harboring misconceptions..the following are my questions -

What is all this fuss about "Killing Non-Muslims" ??.. i have heard my muslim friends talk about how their religion mocks "rock worshiping fools" like Hindus ( i am not sure if they got this idea from Quran or from the general communal disharmony )..who are these "non-muslims" that should be killed ?..are those "enemies of Muslim" ?.. if so , then what is the definition of "enemies of muslims" ?.. being a Hindu (non-muslim) myself , would i be considered as an "enemy of muslim" & therefore a "non-muslim worth killing" ?.. does Islam see everyone following a religion other than Islam as its enemy ?.. or perhaps a potential fool who needs to be converted into Islam asap ?..

Also, i would appreciate an explanation in pure layman terms..😊

P.S. Peaceseeker , sorry for going off the topic here but i feel like these doubts too are relevant to the ongoing discussion..
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Posted: 10 years ago
#46

Originally posted by: Quixotic5

@ .Chiquita.

I have few questions for you , first of all , please dont take an offence to it ,these are honest questions & i feel like this is the best platform to get it cleared..moreover, i have seen you & peaceseeker quoting lines from Quran , so it seems like u r the best possible knowledgeable people to get it cleared from.. also please note that i have no idea about whats in the Quran , have only heard a few things here & there through my Muslim friends & i feel like "little knowledge is a dangerous thing"..so its best to clear it out instead of harboring misconceptions..the following are my questions -

What is all this fuss about "Killing Non-Muslims" ??..
Actually if you see my previous reply to Peaceseeker, those verse in the Quran are used by Allah during war. There was a war between the non-muslim and muslim, so Allah said kill them if they attack you (for self defense only). That is during war only. If you read the Quran in detail, it also talks about not to hurt women, children, tree, innocents, leader etc etc during war. If the enemy wants peace, then give them peace, not only that, escort the enemy to a secure place. There are 2.08 billion Muslims in this world currently, & if we are supposed to kill the non-muslim, all of you will be death by now.😆

i have heard my muslim friends talk about how their religion mocks "rock worshiping fools" like Hindus ( i am not sure if they got this idea from Quran or from the general communal disharmony )..
No the Quran never ask to mock anyone. This is what the Quran says..
"O you who believe, no people shall ridicule other people, for they may be better than them. Nor shall any women ridicule other women, for they may be better than them. Nor shall you mock one another, or make fun of your names. Evil indeed is the reversion to wickedness after attaining faith. Anyone who does not repent after this, these are the transgressors."
Quran 49:11

who are these "non-muslims" that should be killed ?..are those "enemies of Muslim" ?.. if so , then what is the definition of "enemies of muslims" ?.. being a Hindu (non-muslim) myself , would i be considered as an "enemy of muslim" & therefore a "non-muslim worth killing" ?.. does Islam see everyone following a religion other than Islam as its enemy ?.. or perhaps a potential fool who needs to be converted into Islam asap ?..
You are not our enemy, the only enemy of ours is the Iblis/Shaytaan. No one else. The problem is the Quran never preached to kill non-muslim in the first place, but some people love to quote this out of context (mainly it is done by the atheist / Islamophobes). And we are not here to convert any other religion, just give knowledge to them about our religion, that is all.

There should be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion.(Quran 2:256)

Also, i would appreciate an explanation in pure layman terms..😊

P.S. Peaceseeker , sorry for going off the topic here but i feel like these doubts too are relevant to the ongoing discussion..

Edited by .chiquita. - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
#47

Thank you for answering my questions..that should suffice..most of my Muslim Friends too have a similar approach towards their religion..

@ Bold : Interesting that u should make such a statement..and not surprising at all..i have seen & witnessed such an approach or a way of thinking in my home town of Kerala..there is this sense of Muslims against the world among the Muslim community..if not handled carefully this could be deadly..not that i cant reply sarcasm with sarcasm but this is a much more serious issue & i believe that such a mentality sows seeds of Jihad or religious terrorism..this is not to say that i am blaming Muslims here , i feel it goes both ways & ends up being a cyclical reaction...post 9/11 the world changed & in the process Islam suffered tremendous loss to its reputation worldwide..i feel like due to the negativity surrounding Islam , the Muslims around the world became a further tightly knit community..this very fact is reflected in the Muslim Community of my hometown who are more in-sync or only bothered by things concerning Muslims & Muslim nations around the world & prioritize such issues before issues concerning their home town or Nation..what i am trying to say is they arrange mass prayers if something terrible happens in Islam Nations but none of this concern is seen when something terrible happens in our own nation..my point being , its certainly not bad to be concerned about Islam Nations & Pray for them ( common sense of Humanity too demands it ) but why maintain such a double standard where once own Nation is concerned ??..a lot of things happened in recent times in our nation too but prayers were specifically for Muslim-affected areas , rest is none of their concern..it makes you question , doesnt it ?.. where does their allegiance lie ?..makes you wonder what they feel about the Kashmir issue , would they rather Pakistan have it or support their own nation ?.. makes you wonder , who do they support during an India-Pakistan match ?...and i believe such questions only do more harm to the situation, as it makes non-muslims suspect muslims & in turn makes muslims suspect non-muslims about their suspicions, further strengthening communal disharmony..like i said before, this turns into a dangerous cyclical reaction..putting an end to it is of utmost importance..sometimes i feel like being a Hindu in India has made me narrow minded as in, i am not able to put myself in the shoes of Muslims who are certainly a part of this nation but have their religious interests mostly outside of this Nation..may be i would have been more accepting of this mentality if i was a Hindu living in some other nation, Australia perhaps 😛..
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Posted: 10 years ago
#48

Originally posted by: peaceseeker

(I received the following email from a cardiologist in Iraq)

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Dear Peace Seeker,

I have secretly forwarded your email with the attached book Urantia United - Tapping Into The Mind Of God, to some of my colleagues at the hospital. We are in agreement that the philosophy within that book can possibly be the starting point that is needed to educate and change the ideology of the Muslims who are now committing dastardly terrorist attacks against innocent civilians.

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The book is 607 pages and is FREE by emailing me at peaceseeker3000@gmail.com or you can get it for $0.99 at Urantia .

I doubt this would work at all. I think it would be best if the Muslims themselves realise the damage that is being caused to their religion by the pseudo-muslims probably due to half baked knowledge as appears from the conversations here. It is the Muslims who are knowledable in their scriptures who ought to be clearing the confusion on a much more larger scale. This could help in better interpretation of the holy books and also prevent misunderstandings. Islam means peace so a religion that has peace as its foundation should take up more efforts in preventing misuse of their holy teachings by misguided people. I see that as the only practical solution.
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Posted: 10 years ago
#49
@ Quixotic- It is a natural reaction by any community that feels cornered due to whatever reason. An atmosphere of fear, suspicion , blame does no good to any side. Everyone who is able to think objectively would understand that it is never just one side to blame. Lot of events shape a common perception may be of persecution and as long as someone does not take a breather and stop to re evaluate the unintended worsening situation it can go on without an end or lead to a total THE END. Not everyone is wise enough to realise when things go from bad to worse but the few who do shouldnt stay quiet and do whatever possible to clear the confusion and restore peace. It would also help to build a more amicable atmosphere where at least the peaceloving majority human beings do not feel cornered or threatened. If there is more of self responsibility and less of blaming half the battle is won.
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Posted: 10 years ago
#50

Originally posted by: Summer3

I guess a foot note to explain its broader meaning would also be useful.

But words like "kill" anyone should not be there. Common people will misinterpret them. There should be a panel of good learned persons to advise on this.

Once editing is permitted who is to determine who is the right person to do it and whose perception would be judged the correct one? It could be a double edged sword. 😛

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