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There are quotes in the Quran thereof. The Old Testament of the Bible also required stoning and killing sinners.Could anyone please enumerate the religions that ask their followers to loot, kidnap, rape or kill other human beings?
It does not make any difference what one believes to a true God; your deeds will determine your spirit/soul continuance. Enlightenment befalls a clean spirit.It is easier to conceptualise in a human form. Those that do not restrict it to a human form still take refuge in attributing human qualities to God.
What about atheists? can they ever attain spiritual enlightenment?
Originally posted by: peaceseeker
There are quotes in the Quran thereof. The Old Testament of the Bible also required stoning and killing sinners.
How does one confront the passions of Muslims with a logical entreaty to abandon faith? How does one convince a young man that his self-immolation in a bombing will not bring redemption from Allah to his soul and rewards to his people or honor to his family? If logical reasoning lodges doubt into the mind of a martyr that his soul will be destroyed as a punishment for being the cause of cutting short another soul's ability to attain a bond with Allah/God, eventually the act of self-sacrifice ceases. This is the only effective way that man will eventually attain peace.BINGO! One way could be by actually studying their source of references to know what exactly is written. It is very difficult to swallow that there could indeed by any religion that actually asks its followers to commit such atrocities. There's got to be something amiss!People can self sacrifice all they want but how can killing innocent lives be condoned!?Its possible that people are asked to sacrifice logic to ensure full submission to leaders with vested interests.
We can spend billions of dollars in an attempt to annihilate groups of people who have an adamant fanatical goal to destroy anyone who hinders the path of spreading their religion. Many Muslims believe that Allah has commanded this. The end result will always be the same. The fanatics who are destroyed fuel the hatred of a new group with the same or an even fiercer fervor to die for their Allah if the need arises. How do we solve this problem? The pen is mightier than the sword. To the illiterate, visual projections via film is the greatest tool. The media and film producers have always shied away from the possibility of offending religious organizations. A fear of the fundamentalists' wrath has even stifled the desire for the truth.If people have faith in logic and truth they should not give in to such pressures but persist to expose a spade for a spade.Islamic terrorists use their religious ideology to promote and strengthen their causes. In order to counter this and establish some rationality within their ranks a new ideology needs to be established. Will this work? Maybe not, but it may be worth trying. Bombing terrorists may just recruit more followers.People who shout the lodest are often heard more. That needs to be addressedTranscendology may be the integrated into all religions, thereby eliminating superstitions in them.Fat chance trying to introduce anything new to blind fanatics or bigots.. you can wake up people who are asleep but how do you wake up people who consider themselves already awakened? 😆
There is a lot of energy and strong spiritual vibrations in any place of worship, we just have to show respect (failing which we could encounter obstacles in our path). But yes stone is not God but God is in everything they say.It is easier to conceptualise in a human form. Those that do not restrict it to a human form still take refuge in attributing human qualities to God.
What about atheists? can they ever attain spiritual enlightenment?
Atheists too are an expression of the Divine. Rather than looking at what a person believes in, I would say an individual's character and behavior is more important. Often Atheists behave better than so called "religious" persons.Frankly a lot of "religious" persons are quite obnoxious, and only God can tolerate them I think.😆
The souls of a Rabbi, a Christian minister, and a Islamic cleric appeared at an area that was marked "The Gates of Heaven". They eyed each other suspiciously. Peter (the gatekeeper) asked if there is a problem.
The Rabbi told Peter , "Ours is the true religion. We have the word of God that this is so and it is written in the Torah that God said we are the chosen children of God, not the Christians or the Muslims."
The Christian minister said, "Jesus told us that he is the Son of God and that the only way to God was by following his teachings and that unless one is born again, one would not get into heaven. What Jesus said is the word of God and it is written in the Holy Bible".
The Muslim cleric says, "Allah told Muhammad that he was the last true prophet and that everything that Allah told him was written in the Koran and that those who did not follow what was written there would not get into heaven".
Other souls appeared and some sided with and gathered around each of their leaders, while some other souls who sided with no one entered directly through the gates of heaven.
Eventually Peter told the souls who had gathered around the souls of their clerics, "Listen, in heaven there can be no disagreement and until you all are in agreement, you have to move to the Purgatory area".
No agreement was reached and eventually the souls died (Hell) because souls who were not with God could not exist.
Whoa there 😲 Why did you edit all those verses!? The thread was beginning to warm up. 😃 I cant help wondering if everyone who reads them actually believes it or stay mum out of fear of any backlash. Some of it defies logic if anyone cares to apply it, and has the authorship been authenticated? Have the followers been blessed with peace so far?
There is a lot of energy and strong spiritual vibrations in any place of worship, we just have to show respect (failing which we could encounter obstacles in our path).
Just show and not required to actually feel it? 😉 No one likes obstacles so natural to follow the crowd 😆But yes stone is not God but God is in everything they say.But obviously some believe that there are different Gods and so take it on themselves to kill others who follow the "other" God. Insecure much! 😆 I say it is very difficult for most humans to think beyond such comparison, competition and jealousies. They wouldnt or cannot help attributing those qualities to whoever or whatever they believe in.Atheists too are an expression of the Divine. Rather than looking at what a person believes in, I would say an individual's character and behavior is more important. Often Atheists behave better than so called "religious" persons. Not surprising 😃Frankly a lot of "religious" persons are quite obnoxious, and only God can tolerate them I think.😆Totally agree with that 😆
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