Reservation for Jats - Page 5

Long-standing problems require visionary solutions. Caste is a long-standing problem. So was male dominance in the thread where I brought up gene-culture co-evolution.

Pragmatism can only provide short-term solutions that too in an incremental way. The idea is to treat the root cause of the problem staring at us, not just the symptoms. We can't always be in a patch mode, gunning for the quick fixes. If there is a leak in the pipe, you could clamp it or caulk it, but may be it's time to start thinking in terms of replacing the entire pipe.

In any case, it doesn't have to be either-or. We can always come up with practical solutions that work in the short term while at the same time planning for the future with imaginative solutions.

If they have to have reservation it should not be more than 30% . At present the different reservations together hardly leave 50% seats for the unreserved students Students from the general category who cannot afford the high fees of the private colleges are doomed unless they score a very high rank in the competitive exams. It gets impossible to understand why another student , probably a close friend who had been studying together in the same school throughout gets admission into coveted colleges inspite of scoring much less! There was no discrimination faced by him nor was there any lack of facilities faced by this student but merely on the basisof a caste certificate he manages to bag this seat. His friends wouldnt be even aware of his caste had it not been for this reservation policy.

reservation should be banned. let modi put his money where his mouth is and implement skill development programmes. eveyrone can be eligible for a job.

You guys may continue with your discussions on reservations; I would like to focus a little bit on caste.

I got down to the brass tacks a little bit.

So, if we go back in time, Indian society was organized along occupational lines and that's how varnas (Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, Sudras) came about. Brahmins were Spiritual leaders and teachers. Kshatriyas were warriors and nobility. Vaishyas were merchants and Sudras were laborers. And then there are people who carried out the supposedly dirty tasks such as cleaning up after funerals, dealing with sewage, and working with animal skin; these were considered the untouchables.

And then there are ancient spiritual texts which conveyed that Brahmins were cast from Brahma's mouth, Kshatriyas from his arms, Vaishyas from his thighs, and sudras from his feet.

And finally, we have family names (surnames / last names) For example, a Dwivedi or a Trivedi or a Chaturvedi or a Pandey would be identified as "upper caste" whereas a Chamar or a Chura would be identified as a "lower caste"

If we put aside discrimination based on color, what we are essentially dealing with in reality is

• discrimination based on one's occupation
• discrimination based on one's economic condition
• discrimination based on one's surname / family name / last name
• discrimination based on belief in ancient texts

Did I miss anything? If not, I / we could focus on remediation of these.

Continuation ...

From what i understand based on what I read, it started off with an ideological oppression where Brahmins held monopoly on knowledge, Kshatriyas on power and Vaishyas on wealth. The idea spread that one group is somehow superior to the other in the service/trade/commodity that they controlled. That led to institutional oppression where the idea that one groups is somehow superior to other became entrenched in the system. Since Shudras and other social pariahs didn't control anything, and since they never had the upward mobility, they were considered inferior when it came to intelligence, strength or savvy. That led to interpersonal oppression where members of dominant groups started abusing members of the subservient groups because it was institutionalized and accepted everywhere as the "norm" That led to internalized oppression where the subservient groups accepted the idea that they were somehow inferior; thus making them meek and submissive. Simply put, members of the subservient groups were broke!

I think reservation system should be banned for 3 years lets see what happens.

Originally posted by: mr.ass

I think reservation system should be banned for 3 years lets see what happens.

everyone heard you loud and clear in the previous page.

the only new thing you added is 3 years.

why 3? why not 2? why not 4? what's magical about 3?