Arvind Kejriwal and AAP

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charminggenie

@charminggenie

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Posted: 11 years ago

#51

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

Police inaction is never an excuse for vigilante justice and mob behavior.
Agreed, is is a wrong precedent and AAP should have avoided it !

I'm not a fan of the police, but before accusing the police of wrongdoing I would prefer to have an investigation to determine why action wasn't taken - was it genuine corruption and incompetence or lack of evidence or other factors preventing action.
Hades - Out of all the three suspensions demanded -2 were about those cops who refused to file case for a burnt girl for more than 5 months. Even when the minister and media interfered the cop refused. The govt was demanding his suspension so that an independent and biased free inquiry be carried out. Delhi CM has no power to investigate his police force, vigilance and law order, yet he is responsible for people's grievances
He simply demanded that said cops be suspended till these cops are investigated - No action. Imagine the head of state having no control on the most basic law and order situation needs.

His agitation was wrong but to most the demands were genuine simply because Delhi police should be accountable at State level.

@Angie - Agree with everything you said. Just Sheila's demands seemed more of a joke considering she was in power for 15 years and had her own party at the centre for 10 years. Hence AAP or anybody else blamed her, if she was sincere enough she should have brought them under her control ages back?

AK should have suspended his own Law Minister , but ordered or demanded the police reforms.

Unfortunately in all the drama his good work and vital schemes are going down the drain. He needs to calm down and collect himself before he makes these public statements. There is no way he can be the PM in this election. Hell his party should be happy if they manage double digit. They need to go under ground for sometime and refrain from being the seen/heard too much.

Somewhere in all the noise the real intention and the real issues concerning the police force remain unheard.

I liked how he got the electricity under CAG audit, removed the politicians from academic positions and other things. He should have carried on those issues rather than defending a Law Minister who got carried away with his vigilante behaviour.

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Posted: 11 years ago

#52

RTH and Rehan: No way am I justifying viligilante/mob justice, go back two pages and read my posts. I'm only saying that despite the blunder, their hearts seem to be in the right places and the intention was to address a nagging problem that the Police was seemingly ignoring for a long time. I still have faith on them.

Bharti-Kejri effed up majorly. But still I feel that its unfair to label them "hooligans" as far as their intentions are concerned. There were genuine constraints involved here in dealing with the drug racket in legal terms. I agree with RTH, there should've been an inquiry and also media highlight for this issue, not some juvenile Supermanism. They are overstepping their limits in populism and foolish comic-book idealism, but like I said, their hearts I believe are in the right places. That's precisely why I said that Kejri needs to wake up and stop being a screechy NGOvist before people stop taking him seriously. His baby steps of instilling the helpline and free water and electricity (albeit with riders) have already cemented his position with the public (at least in Delhi, AAP is yet to attain a strong presence in North and West India) as a viable future option for the Union seat. Now he should look at the deeper issues and take the reforms at their pace.

Edited by krystal_watz - 11 years ago

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Bankim Chandra Chaterjee

@mr.ass

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Posted: 11 years ago

#53

bjp would have got about 28% of the votes, congress 22% because of minority votes. bjp would have got about 210 seats and congress about 135. now with aap,

bjp 25%

aap 9%

congress 16%

now bjp will get about 250 - 270 seats thanks to aap.

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souryadeep

@Sanaya-hi-Rani

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Posted: 11 years ago

#54

Originally posted by: mr.ass
bjp would have got about 28% of the votes, congress 22% because of minority votes. bjp would have got about 210 seats and congress about 135. now with aap,

bjp 25%

aap 9%

congress 16%

now bjp will get about 250 - 270 seats thanks to aap.

Thats the grand scamgress-Atankvaad Aadmi Party startegy...God save the nation!!

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return_to_hades

@return_to_hades

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Posted: 11 years ago

#55

Originally posted by: mr.ass
bjp would have got about 28% of the votes, congress 22% because of minority votes. bjp would have got about 210 seats and congress about 135. now with aap,

bjp 25%

aap 9%

congress 16%

now bjp will get about 250 - 270 seats thanks to aap.

I'm confused how is 28% = 210 seats but 25% = 250-270 seats?

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_Angie_

@_Angie_

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Posted: 11 years ago

#56

Originally posted by: charminggenie

His agitation was wrong but to most the demands were genuine simply because Delhi police should be accountable at State level.

@Angie - Agree with everything you said. Just Sheila's demands seemed more of a joke considering she was in power for 15 years and had her own party at the centre for 10 years. Hence AAP or anybody else blamed her, if she was sincere enough she should have brought them under her control ages back?

Genie agreed that the police needs to have some accountability towards an elected govt at the state level as without it the state govt would be quite helpless in ensuring law and order at the state level. The earlier govt of BJP, Congress both had demanded the same. However, the fact is that Delhi only enjoys partial statehood till date and perhaps with good reason. The law and order is dealt with by the Union Home ministry while the Delhi Development authority (which owns a major chunk of land in Delhi) remains under the Union Urban Development Ministry. Delhi remains more of a union territory than a state.

At present, the Delhi police though not accountable to the MLAs it is accountable to the Parliament, the law making body of the country. The trouble is that the citizens with law and order grievances would contact the MLA or the CM and not the Union Home Minister or Lieutenant Governor. At the same time putting it under the Delhi govt could mean unnecessary interference by MLAs in its working. Dividing Police bosses in two parts of the same city could lead to complete chaos. Imagine a situation brought on by the recent protest by the CM, who did not feel any responsibility for the Republic Day parade preparations that were on at that time. If the police dept was under his full control and should he decide that as CM it was his prerogative to decide what the police should do and that it was the central govt's call on maintaining security and protocol awarded to foreign dignitaries (invited guests) and disregard the threats of a terrorist attack on such occasions! Further, Delhi police gets a huge budget and considerable autonomy as it is funded by the Centre and not by the state government. Putting it under the latter requires a constitutional amendment and may starve it of funds.

So, I feel that there are genuine concerns about giving full control to the state govt in Delhi though no control over law and order also does not seem practical. During her tenure as CM, Sheila Dikshit had proposed that the Centre can retain control over NDMC area and Delhi Cantonment, put the rest of the national capital under the State .

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441597

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Posted: 11 years ago

#57

^They can have at least partial control, if not full. A seperate order can be created just for the Delhi SG with limited and basic powers as opposed to more high-level engagements which should be retained by the force under the Union. Now the decisions regarding the powers to be accorded to the former could kick up another storm and another dharna, so...

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Bankim Chandra Chaterjee

@mr.ass

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Posted: 11 years ago

#58

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

I'm confused how is 28% = 210 seats but 25% = 250-270 seats?

simple, because thanks to aap, in many seats where the congress got 1st position by a few thousand/ ten thousand votes, aap will eat into their votes and bjp will win seats by small margins.

in many seats, bjp will get say 2,00,000 votes, cong will get 1,80,000 votes and aap will get abt 90,000 votes.

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souryadeep

@Sanaya-hi-Rani

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Posted: 11 years ago

#59

Originally posted by: krystal_watz
^^You do know that the Police were sitting on the complaints for about three months, right?

Which complaint, may I ask?

The only "complaint" which they have is a much doubted letter from the month of June..

Apart from that no media intervention,no articles, absolutely nothing

But one day the sexist and racist blundering irresponsible law minister gets up and performs his juvenile vigilante antics..

That can NEVER be enough of a reason to prove that the police was sitting over the complaints for three months!

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souryadeep

@Sanaya-hi-Rani

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Posted: 11 years ago

#60

Originally posted by: mr.ass

simple, because thanks to aap, in many seats where the congress got 1st position by a few thousand/ ten thousand votes, aap will eat into their votes and bjp will win seats by small margins.

in many seats, bjp will get say 2,00,000 votes, cong will get 1,80,000 votes and aap will get abt 90,000 votes.

Exactly..just look at the electoral maths..

A 28 VS 22 is a 6% difference which can mount to difference of say 75 seats as pointed out by Mr.ass

Now a difference of 9% (25VS16) would increase the difference in favour of the BJP!