Exploitation of employee or blackmail of employer? (Khobragade case) - Page 6

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

IMO - India escalated to threats and retaliations before negotiations which is unfair. If Indians believe retaliation and threats is a fair way to negotiate release, so be it.

Originally posted by: souro

And how did you decide that India resorted to threatening and retaliating? India didn't retaliate at all in fact. They simply took reciprocatory measures. Indian consulate officials don't have immunity in US, we revoked immunity of US consulate officials. Indian diplomats don't get free airport pass in US, US diplomats airport passes have been revoked. And so on. Whatever privileges have been withdrawn so far from US diplomats, they are privileges which Indian diplomats don't enjoy in US. We are treating them very fairly.

And where does the question of negotiation come in? US says they have every right to follow their rule and arrest our diplomat based on that rule. We have every right to follow our rule and arrest US diplomats based on those rules. If we want to arrest them because of violation of IPC 377, why should we negotiate with US for that. We have every right to do that.

As far as release of Ms.Khobragade is concerned, legal and diplomatic negotiations are going on.

In terms of ordinary bilateral agreements and privileges - if USA does not offer Indian diplomats certain privileges, it is completely fair for India to revoke them.

USA did not target "Indians". The violator of US law happened to be Indian. India has every right to implement its laws for all foreign nationals. My contention is that they must do so universally without discrimination.

USA did not suspend diplomatic immunity. The US Marshall believed that diplomatic immunity didn't apply to this crime. The two parties are disagreeing on the expectations of Vienna convention. If it is proven USA violated the treatise, then USA owes apology to India and the diplomat. It also should take severe action against the officials in charge with Indian input on what acceptable reparations are.

Originally posted by: souro

And how did you decide that India resorted to threatening and retaliating?

India didn't retaliate at all in fact. They simply took reciprocatory measures. Indian consulate officials don't have immunity in US, we revoked immunity of US consulate officials. Indian diplomats don't get free airport pass in US, US diplomats airport passes have been revoked. And so on. Whatever privileges have been withdrawn so far from US diplomats, they are privileges which Indian diplomats don't enjoy in US. We are treating them very fairly.

And where does the question of negotiation come in? US says they have every right to follow their rule and arrest our diplomat based on that rule. We have every right to follow our rule and arrest US diplomats based on those rules. If we want to arrest them because of violation of IPC 377, why should we negotiate with US for that. We have every right to do that.

As far as release of Ms.Khobragade is concerned, legal and diplomatic negotiations are going on.

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

Given your proclivity to arresting folks on false accusations you should be the last person in the world to talk about rights. So, now, some of you are trying to take recourse in Indian Penal Code 377 to get back at US?! Do you realize that you are tacitly approving that joke of a law riddled with semantic loopholes or you decided to say whatever comes to your mind to "win" an argument?

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

In terms of ordinary bilateral agreements and privileges - if USA does not offer Indian diplomats certain privileges, it is completely fair for India to revoke them.

USA did not target "Indians". The violator of US law happened to be Indian. India has every right to implement its laws for all foreign nationals. My contention is that they must do so universally without discrimination.

USA did not suspend diplomatic immunity. The US Marshall believed that diplomatic immunity didn't apply to this crime. The two parties are disagreeing on the expectations of Vienna convention. If it is proven USA violated the treatise, then USA owes apology to India and the diplomat. It also should take severe action against the officials in charge with Indian input on what acceptable reparations are.

Originally posted by: souro

Stick to the debate. Don't teach me what I should talk about.

And once again, stick to the debate. Let the Indian Parliament decide which law is a joke.

Originally posted by: souro

Who said that US targeted Indians? Has anyone said that US arrested her because she is Indian? As far as I know, no one said that.

India did not suspend diplomatic immunity either. Diplomatic immunity for consulate officials is revoked just as diplomatic immunity doesn't exist for Indian consulate officials in US.

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

Neither.

What dragged me to this issue is my affinity for facts, hatred for injustice and contempt for illegal activities.

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

Who can they strip search?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/03/us/justices-approve-strip-searches-for-any-offense.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0