Why only killing a female embryo is wrong? - Page 6

Originally posted by: -Stutz-

You have got 2 children.. Third was a mistake? Abort.

The foetus can have some grave medical disorder? Abort.

The foetus is a rape child? Abort..

THE FOETUS IS A GIRL? KILL

Originally posted by: LovesLowCulture

I don't think the fetus has a "choice" to live (that's a whole other debate I'd rather not get into right now as it distracts from the topic at hand and I have limited time).

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

Was your Caps Lock key stuck when you typed the last sentence or did you do that for effect? I cannot tell with certainty, but what I can tell with certainty is that you are using the word Abort to tone down the severity of the judgment that you handed to the fetus for reasons you thought were justified where as you used the word Kill to elevate the severity of the judgment that another group handed to the fetus for reasons they thought were justified; and this seems to be a common trait amongst those supporting abortion and opposing feticide.

1. if not skewing the numbers in society is important, then not skewing the numbers at home is also important to some.

2. if upholding the rights of the unborn is important, upholding the life of the unborn is even more important (a precursor, matter of fact). No life, no rights.

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

Was your Caps Lock key stuck when you typed the last sentence or did you do that for effect? I cannot tell with certainty, but what I can tell with certainty is that you are using the word Abort to tone down the severity of the judgment that you handed to the fetus for reasons you thought were justified where as you used the word Kill to elevate the severity of the judgment that another group handed to the fetus for reasons they thought were justified; and this seems to be a common trait amongst those supporting abortion and opposing feticide.

1. if not skewing the numbers in society is important, then not skewing the numbers at home is also important to some.

2. if upholding the rights of the unborn is important, upholding the life of the unborn is even more important (a precursor, matter of fact). No life, no rights.

You folks are mixing too many issues.

Is fetus life? – Debatable

Does fetus have rights? – Debatable

Is it a matter of woman's choice? – Debatable

Is abortion wrong? - Debatable

The question here is that do we need laws addressing prevent sex selective abortion/feticide/infanticide?

The simple and idealistic solution would be to have one umbrella law on abortion and address all abortions with the same framework. But such a law would work if the abortion probability of each fetus is the same irrespective of gender. The problem we have in India is the probability of a female fetus being aborted is exceptionally high enough to cause problems. Having laws directed to abortion of fetuses tries to level the playing field by hoping those who would abort females would be less likely to do so due to risk aversion.

Originally posted by: Beyond_the_Veil

Yeah, termination of a fetus is abortion, but termination of a 'girl child' specifically is killing. 😉 [For the serious ones, sarcasm definitely intended].

And yes, fetuses are not "lives" yet they have real genders. Plus fetuses' rights are secondary to the mother's rights, but gender rights of the fetuses override any rights of anyone, the mother or the fetus itself. 😆

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

You would think a person capable of being enraged at the thought of selective abortion would not so callously dismiss abortion itself. Unfortunately not. I don't know where the disconnect happens in their minds. If two values seemingly conflict, one value will trump the other if only the arguments behind both the values are subject to reason. It's a simple question of ironing out the inconsistencies in logic that are conflicting. Not that hard to do.

The way I look at it. Abortion is a broad issue. Within abortion you have many sections and subsections. Even if one is pro-choice or pro-life in the big picture there are many people who will have differences in the sub sections.

Many pro-life people think that exceptions should be made in the case of rape/medical condition.

Many pro-choice people think that late term abortion is still a strict no-no as conditions have changed.

Similarly many pro-choice people think that sex selective abortion is still heinous because abortion in general is gender neutral, but this is a special case where only females are targeted. And I think when it comes to women's issues, especially in India, some of us women tend to get frustrated and a bit carried away.

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

You would think a person capable of being enraged at the thought of selective abortion would not so callously dismiss abortion itself. Unfortunately not. I don't know where the disconnect happens in their minds. If two values seemingly conflict, one value will trump the other if only the arguments behind both the values are subject to reason. It's a simple question of ironing out the inconsistencies in logic that are conflicting. Not that hard to do.

Originally posted by: Beyond_the_Veil

Yeah, termination of a fetus is abortion, but termination of a 'girl child' specifically is killing. 😉 [For the serious ones, sarcasm definitely intended].

And yes, fetuses are not "lives" yet they have real genders. Plus fetuses' rights are secondary to the mother's rights, but gender rights of the fetuses override any rights of anyone, the mother or the fetus itself. 😆