LovesLowCulture,
"My point is, that gender-selective abortion is always the result of discrimination and never a personal choice."
I disagree. It isn't always prejudice. One can have preferences. After three boys it's natural to want a girl, and if you don't want to go through more than one pregnancy, I can see the mother (very, very rare case it would be, I admit) going for abortion (male fetus) when the fetus isn't of the gender (here a girl) she desires. She might have gone for the reverse situation too, so it's not like she's discriminating against both the genders. Like I said I heard about a person who's had an abortion simply because she didn't want more child of the same gender, not because she hates that gender (or else she wouldn't be mothering all the existing children of that gender), but simply because she wanted a baby of a different gender (most parents want both boys and girls). It isn't because of sociological/cultural pressure but her own decision. My mom actually said her husband did not want her to abort the child but she went ahead with it. So it was completely her own choice.
The "always" is quite an assumption on your part, though I admit even if not always, it's "mostly" that is true, so your pint is not wholly wrong.
Ultra-sonogram is done by equal-minded ppl too btw. That is a fact. I can support it through evidence. A lot want to know for curiosity, NOT to abort the gender they don't deem fit.
Not quoting your other post as that says basically the same thing.
As for coming back, I wasn't wanting to leave the discussion for the fear of being shut down or losing out or not wanting to exchange views. I just am in a tight schedule and have been trying to avoid IF for as much as possible. One-two short posts are OK, but was really hoping to stay out of these long-winded "debates" that really eat half of my time. Here I am typing this at 5 AM instead of sleeping. [I am such an undisciplined and naughty kid... 😛] Thanks anyway. 't was nice exchanging views with you.
I think we are going in circles so I will try [ 😆...as if...] to end my end here. Unless we have new perspectives to add, there's no point in repeating the same things, right? :-)
Let me concede that I agree with you that gender-based abortions are nearly always the result of a misogynistic society and force/coercion and not personal choice. But I also say that if there is a small, minuscule population who does it for (1) personal choice without any force (direct or indirect) from others, and that (2) it doesn't become a nation-wide trend which would cause social problems, aborting a fetus based on its gender is just as much "right" or "wrong" as aborting it for any other reason (again given my conditions are met).
Like K asked, is gender-based abortion wrong because of 1) termination of fetus, 2) force/pressure/coercion, 3) gender discrimination/preference, or a combination of all three? If it's (1), it stands to reason that ordinary abortions are equally wrong. If it's (2) then if and only if it's not done by force but by personal preference it cannot be considered wrong as that was a criteria it was used to label it wrong which is being nullified. If it is (3), only then I agree. But then in that case you are dictating her life and taking away her choice to have her preference, which, regardless of what contrary viewpoints may say, I find very anti-pro-choice.
K,
"Like BTV said, there is a lot of gray in this. It is not as black and white as the pro-choice supporters seem to believe."
And pro-life supporters too. Abortion debates, though, unfortunately almost always end up with people acting like wild animals who just escaped their cages instead of the serious and thoughtful discussion it is meant to be. DM is the only place I have seen people having decent conversation regarding the subject. I am glad no ladies threw the "get an uterus before talking off what goes on within my belly" comment at me. I swear, next time I hear it, I'll explode. 😆
Edited by Beyond_the_Veil - 12 years ago
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