Where do you think we came from? - Page 94

Originally posted by: Vintage.Wine

Missed the point ? ..Excuse ME ...😆 ..

You missed it again Vintu 😆 I had said my point and not the point , theres a subtle difference there if not more 😉

Did ya not read my reply to Moomin DD on page 111 ? ...

Hey, do allow me some time to catch up with all the discussions pouring in over the weekend 😲 I havent forsaken my mundane duties as yet you know 😒 The karma yog needs to be adhered to ...those were your words too...a few pages back if amnesia hasnt set in too soon 😆

I 'd said exactly the same thing...Being covetous of Moksha too is a desire that one must get rid of.. Allow me to me expand that a bit now ...Here I go :

That question in itself is like a trickery of words ...Another The Glass 1/2 Empty, The Glass 1/2 full situation ...If you look at it carefully ...Desire to attain Moksha in itself ain't no esire to attain something ...Its about willing to relinquish all desires ..<<<<< This state is alluded to as Moksha ...As I said earlier on, when all desires end one achieves the state of Moksha..

willing to relinguish suggests a sort of surrender that could lead towards Moksha but it is possible to get obsessed with achieving that goal which could be counterproductive 😊

Now one might wanna argue ..that desiring Moksha could be the starting point in a journey towards attaining it finally ..So that still is a desire ..( Its like In spite and Despite << Those two words have a similar meaning but there is a minute difference in a manner in which they can be used ..) So we ll call it as a 'Desire to renounce all desires' ...Now that makes for a great beginning ...

Agreed

One slowly gets rid of all wishes and earthly feelings ...Immersing themselves in Bhakti, meditating...Till they understand the true nature of Aatman as inseparable from Brahman .. And there comes that Eureka ..moment in time when even that one desire dwindles...and they reach a state of VIRAKTI <<<<<That is the word ..😆 ..Its like someone thinking of something, some problem or trying to solve a puzzle for a long haul ..and all of a sudden the idea , the solution clicks in their mind ..So this Final desire to relinquish all mundane pleasures, griefs too gets diminished...and the Aatman is freed of the vicious cycle of death and life ..

Great way to explain that ! I liked it

Its simple to understand with an example in everyday life ...You desire something until you actually get it ..Remember your childhood ? The restlessness ..when you saw Amy wearing that wonderful new top ? You always wanted to own that ..and finally after convincing your mom to buy ya that, you did .. <<The desire to own that ended right there ...Yeah ..Yeah I could see everything . ...😆..All thanks to the The Crystal Ball ..Isn't it amazing ? ...😆 ..

Phew !!

Vintu...😛

ha ha ha...your crystal ball does need some tinkering Vintu 😆

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

Not the first time and won't be the last time that we get tricked by the very words that we ourselves defined.

I started working on a "fun" exercise - if the question that is bothering us is "where do you think we came from?", the answer to the question, if any, could be a word, a phrase, a clause, a sentence or a paragraph. Whatever the correct answer is, it has to be a permutation with repetition of a letter allowed. The English alphabet has 26 letters. All I need to do is find the right permutation and Bingo, I shall have the correct answer. 😆

Let's see where that exercise leads me.

Originally posted by: Vintage.Wine

May be to the Word you omitted in your siggy ? ...AUM <<<<< Here ...Think of it ...😆

Vintu ...😛

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

Well, we know that what goes on inside of our minds is electrochemical signalling. So it does have a light like quality to it because they "belong" to the same fundamental force which is electromagnetism. Can our thoughts ever be as fast light, as in, can we think at the speed of light? Not likely because our particles have mass where as photons have no mass. What does it mean? To me, it means that there probably is a deliberate slowdown introduced so that in order to experience space-time, and all events occurring within space-time, it is necessary to be slower than light. Light can't experience any of that within space-time, anything slower than light can experience.

Either the slowdown relative to light is deliberate or it is random.

Originally posted by: Vintage.Wine

And I won't even attempt to persuade FREE that there existed a state called Shunyaksha ..😆 ...He won't agree to that unless Einstein hits his dreams and affirms that ..😆 ...AUM is the first ever vibration at the time of creation. Truly the scriptures is one amazing means to get past the veil of mystery...

Vintu...😛

Originally posted by: _Angie_

Have you developed a software to do all those permutations and combinations !😲 and then keep contemplating on each phrase that it churns up ..🤔. the combination of letters isnt gonna reveal anything by itself..is it 😕

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

Here's what is really important to consider and I hope all interested are paying attention:

1000 years back, the noun iPad or the verb Google would have meant nothing to anybody. Today, those words mean something to some of us, if not all of us. We know what they are, we know what they represent, we know who is behind their creation, we know their functionality. We can say we have knowledge of iPad and Google.

So, a question like "what is an iPad?" or "how does Google work?" could have still produced an answer, even back then, as a combination of the English alphabet. But it takes knowledge to weed out the correct answer, from a random collection of letters.

1000 years back the same question ("what is an iPad?") would have gone unanswered because they didn't have the requisite knowledge then. You could have presented them the combinations of letters but they wouldn't have been able to pick the right combination. Now we can.

Point I am making here is simply this: do we now have the knowledge to identify what is the right answer to the question "where do we think we came from?" or do we need to wait more?

Over to you people.

Originally posted by: BirdieNumNum

totally agree- as soon as one removes the mortality requirement, it cannot have a human personality (as we understand it today). But i dont think the objective is to retain that personality. The idea is to shift to an existence that does away with unpleasant aspects. In that sense, who wouldn't want to live forever? Who wouldn't want their near and loved ones to live forever? Isn't that what we try to do with medical science... to prolong life? Of course, the question would be whether it is ethical to modulate existence to such an extent...

also, as long as we have defective manufacturers doing the cyborging, we can have things go wrong. Imagine a cyborg gone bad. Or being a cyborg and not knowing if life can be snuffed out because of a lousy bug? Those software bugs can kill as easily as the bugs that give us flus and other epidemics. I think😆

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

I think it goes without saying that ALL possible answers are troubling to the mind.

The possibility that physical can exist by itself is troubling. The possibility that something else, something exotic, can have a phase shift which gave way to the physical, is troubling. The fact that anything comes into existence, anything at all, just like that, for no rhyme or reason, out of the blue, even if it means we rewind time back some 14 billion or so years, is troubling. No-thing is the only word that won't be troubling but that is not a possibility, because, here we are, with our ugly behinds and all.