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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: BirdieNumNum

to get back to what i had mentioned previously about 'light'- do scientists even know what 'light' is? Can we even begin to fathom what it is? My claim is that we dont. Only thing we 'know' is its impact on other things. It is something that defies classical experience and is likely something that is interpreted by the mind, never experienced directly. It seems to also transcend space and time. Which brings me to another point- when people think of 'physical' they are usually referring to the classical world of 3D space and time. But what SR tells us is that it's spacetime continuum which can manifest as 3D space and time, but is far more than that. In other words, there is more than meets our classical eye.

Other weird things include things like the faster you go, the more compressed space becomes. Really! Space by itself and time by itself have been shown to be almost meaningless. Note too that light itself has no mass, yet it travels at the speed of light. Nothing else does, unless it's mass approaches infinity.

Ok, so why bring up light? Because to me there's a parallel with our 'mind'. If we think of our minds (in the sense of consciousness) as a disembodied observer, then it would have no mass, same as light. In strange ways, it seems to me to have a 'light-like' quality to it- unknowable in terms of the paradigms we have built into our physics, but probably as 'real' as light. Like a TV image, there is no duration. There is no before, no after, there is just now...

following is a quote from Erwin Schrdinger that should make us think more, at least those of us who want to rely so much on QM: If we think we can picture what is going on in the quantum domain, that is one indication that we've got it wrong.

makes you wonder!



Just wanted to add here that what binds us together, as in what keeps us from falling apart, is electromagnetism.

So while we have the strong force keeping the nucleus of our atoms together, we have electromagnetism keeping the rest of the body together. Correct me if I am wrong.

So, yes, light plays a role that is beyond our everyday understanding of it.


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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: -Aarya-



Lets assume for a second that the events in our brain causes conscious state to exist and all material events can have material effect! In that case doesn't consciousness fails to exist since it does consist of observable material elements, or does it?

The rock and human comparison depends on what you consider as life; what is life?



Not a cop out answer, but if you think about it, life is everything that non-life is not.

My hypothetical scenario was referring to exactly that: if science can breath life into a rock and make the rock (or a computer or a machine) exactly identical in every aspect to you, including memories and what not, because the assumption is that it is all physical, would that rock become you or do you think there would still be a difference?

Actually, this is not my hypothetical scenario. This is Chalmers looking at the hard problem of consciousness.
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: moomin4455




Vintu bhaiya, if everyone understood across the world understood what you just wrote about the difference between religions, think of how many wars and how much bloodshed could have been averted!


Hahaha ...They won't ...Everything is happening as predicted back in time..The Kali Yuga that began in 3102 BC would last for 400,000 more years.. ...During this phase the atheist tendencies would mushroom..and prevail ..There ll be more and more atheists, the escapists that ll promulgate their own set of rules, rebuffing the existence of The God and challenging his powers and virtus...They ll overwhelm and exist as a huge group...The spirituality would abate ...The belief in morality , systematic living would collapse and the state would finally culminate into a social mayhem...That is when the divine entity shall intervene ..And end such bletcherous state of the society. Re establishing the realm of Truth and humanity..

Vintu ...😊

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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: K.Universe.



Not the first time and won't be the last time that we get tricked by the very words that we ourselves defined.

I started working on a "fun" exercise - if the question that is bothering us is "where do you think we came from?", the answer to the question, if any, could be a word, a phrase, a clause, a sentence or a paragraph. Whatever the correct answer is, it has to be a permutation with repetition of a letter allowed. The English alphabet has 26 letters. All I need to do is find the right permutation and Bingo, I shall have the correct answer. 😆

Let's see where that exercise leads me.


May be to the Word you omitted in your siggy ? ...AUM <<<<< Here ...Think of it ...😆

Vintu ...😛
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: BirdieNumNum


Ok, so why bring up light? Because to me there's a parallel with our 'mind'. If we think of our minds (in the sense of consciousness) as a disembodied observer, then it would have no mass, same as light. In strange ways, it seems to me to have a 'light-like' quality to it



Well, we know that what goes on inside of our minds is electrochemical signalling. So it does have a light like quality to it because they "belong" to the same fundamental force which is electromagnetism. Can our thoughts ever be as fast light, as in, can we think at the speed of light? Not likely because our particles have mass where as photons have no mass. What does it mean? To me, it means that there probably is a deliberate slowdown introduced so that in order to experience space-time, and all events occurring within space-time, it is necessary to be slower than light. Light can't experience any of that within space-time, anything slower than light can experience.

Either the slowdown relative to light is deliberate or it is random.


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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: Vintage.Wine


May be to the Word you omitted in your siggy ? ...AUM <<<<< Here ...Think of it ...😆

Vintu ...😛



Was Aum a sound? The beginning? Can all sounds be "spelled"?


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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

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Just wanted to add here that what binds us together, as in what keeps us from falling apart, is electromagnetism.

So while we have the strong force keeping the nucleus of our atoms together, we have electromagnetism keeping the rest of the body together. Correct me if I am wrong.

So, yes, light plays a role that is beyond our everyday understanding of it.



That needs no correction.. But then whenever they made an attempt to devise theories that could encompass everything ...The greatest problem in incorporating the objects to build a prototype Universe was posed by the Gravity (Embedding it with the SpaceTime) . Gravity which is as mystifying as the Light ..and existed prior to that. I guess it's as much important as the Gluon interactions ( Which can be quantified ) and weak nuclei...

Vintu ...😛


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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: K.Universe.



Was Aum a sound? The beginning? Can all sounds be "spelled"?



Its the cosmic vibration. May be we haven't been able to drive it. But it exists within self. AUM encompasses everything. The totality.

Vintu...😛
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: Vintage.Wine

The greatest problem in incorporating the objects to build a prototype Universe was posed by the Gravity (Embedding it with the SpaceTime) . Gravity which is as mystifying as the Light ..and existed prior to that. I guess it's as much important as the Gluon interactions ( Which can be quantified ) and weak nuclei...



At microscopic scales, shouldn't we "discard" gravitational effects? If gravity is all about attraction, then at the particle level, how is that attraction manifesting?

I guess this is where the singularity bites us. A microscopic universe less than 1 Planck length in size, with infinite gravity!
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: Vintage.Wine

Its the cosmic vibration. May be we haven't been able to drive it. But it exists within self. AUM encompasses everything. The totality.

Vintu...😛



FT will ask you where in the body it exists, so be prepared 😆

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