Correlation between Age and Maturity - Page 4

Originally posted by: persistence

Not to start anything😳, but what exactly is off about the comment from II section? The person has a point -- character is just as important if not more than talent both inside and out in the "real world". I once found a note in a fortune cookie😳, ok I know funny source😆, but was cool - It said, "Talent will take you to the top, but it is character that will keep you from falling." I think character should be taken into consideration even if it is a singing show... people often complain about actors/actresses/ and what not for not setting a good example. Regardless, kids and older people do idolize "idols"... why not pick an idol who is worth idolizing then, esp when people have a choice to make someone an idol? PS. My question is intended for WA (though, you are welcome to reply RTH😊). WA, howcome the comment upset you? or was it just the little kids part... perhaps, t he poster intended to make an either or comment -- the or part is missing, considering either is there.😆 and the comment wasn't meant to be personal. 😳 It's also possible that people who like 'yashraj'.. (by the way, why is he so controversial? Other than the he let his dad beg in front of judges -- he wasn't the typical filmi hero, to say "nahin babuji; aap in judges ke saamne nahin gidgrayege'😆 --- do you think movies have set up an expectation about how people should act in certain situations?😊) are only doing so 'cause they don't want one act to define the person. Or that they, like me, like fighting for the underdog, looking at the situation from his/her perspective, even though they don't agree with someone's misguided/disgusting actions. Remember, Angad?😆 Persy

I cannot speak on behalf of Ajnu or anyone else here. However, here are my problems with the post. Yes, that is a relevant point that talent and character both are vital. But that is where the relevance of the post ends. Upon reading the thread, none of the Yashraj supporters were supporting, encouraging or appreciating his alleged 'bad attitude'. Everyone seemed to have a pretty decent understanding of what 'character' and were in no way confused between character attributes.

In reality it seems that support for Yashraj was due to the fact that he is immensely talented and should not be disregarded due to hi alleged 'attitude' problem/his attitude is not that bad that it overshadows his singing, his character has been misunderstood or that we are not in a position to make hasty judgments on character.

So my biggest beef with this post is the allegation that just because others are supporting Yashraj - they are imbecilic school children or that they have no idea what character is. Its a BS argument and ironically reflective of 'bad attitude' towards other members as well as 'stereotypical attitude' towards school kids.

If the person really wants to critique Yashraj on his character - they ought to not lash out at the intellect of members but
1) Illustrate that Yashraj's attitude is not misunderstood or hastily judged, and that his character is heavily marred due to it
2) That his character and attitude are so poor that they have no hope for improvement and completely overshadow his talent to the point of negligibility.

I will not mention the usage of "........" as punctuations, the elementary school spelling errors and the utter lack of structure because that would be English nazism.

(PS: Ironically, I have to admit, I have been guilty of such argument and have held (still hold) very strong prejudices against kids on the internet - not very mature of me at all)

Now what do I know...😳 Age and Maturity has no correlation....

Originally posted by: persistence

Not to start anything😳, but what exactly is off about the comment from II section? The person has a point -- character is just as important if not more than talent both inside and out in the "real world". I once found a note in a fortune cookie😳, ok I know funny source😆, but was cool - It said, "Talent will take you to the top, but it is character that will keep you from falling." I think character should be taken into consideration even if it is a singing show... people often complain about actors/actresses/ and what not for not setting a good example. Regardless, kids and older people do idolize "idols"... why not pick an idol who is worth idolizing then, esp when people have a choice to make someone an idol? PS. My question is intended for WA (though, you are welcome to reply RTH😊). WA, howcome the comment upset you? or was it just the little kids part... perhaps, t he poster intended to make an either or comment -- the or part is missing, considering either is there.😆 and the comment wasn't meant to be personal. 😳 It's also possible that people who like 'yashraj'.. (by the way, why is he so controversial? Other than the he let his dad beg in front of judges -- he wasn't the typical filmi hero, to say "nahin babuji; aap in judges ke saamne nahin gidgrayege'😆 --- do you think movies have set up an expectation about how people should act in certain situations?😊) are only doing so 'cause they don't want one act to define the person. Or that they, like me, like fighting for the underdog, looking at the situation from his/her perspective, even though they don't agree with someone's misguided/disgusting actions. Remember, Angad?😆 Persy

Hey Persy!

First off - no, I agree with you and the member from that is quoted on the first page, character is in fact important. Talent only takes you so far, after that it is your character, your humility, and your values that will lead you to the top. I have no problems with that. However, my mantra for shows like Idol is to find the best singers FIRST. Say you're aiming for six great singers .... then find six GREAT singers first. After you've found them, and you can no longer compare their singing, then you start looking at other factors like personality, character, humility, good looks, etc etc etc. How is it fair for you to kick out a good singer in the first set of eliminations because you perceive him to have attitude problems or because you don't like the kind of smirk he has on his face? That's my whole fight for Yashraj. He's the better singer of the lot, and people are blinded by other things.

Second- I did not have a problem with that member. I know I come here to disagree with others, and that's perfectly fine if someone disagrees with me. In fact, the quote that Sarina put up is actually not the one I was referring to. (😆) My problem is that its fine to disagree with someone in a discussion, but when you're asked to expand on your viewpoint, do so. Instead of resorting to name calling and bad attitude, you should try to explain your side and understand the other person's. And if you can't do that, then you shall refrain from quoting others or passing judgment on them regardless of how much older or younger you are.

Third- Yashraj. Boy oh boy, where do I start? 😆 So Yashraj is from some previous reality show that he won. On that show, there was supposedly some large scandal between him and some girl on the show who claimed he said i love you to her off screen and then backed out on screen and denied having a relationship with her or something. Some BS like that, I don't even know the whole story. Anyways, so, when he came on Idol, Youtube videos of that whole scandal started going around in lots of topics, bashing Yashraj for having a bad character etc etc. The bashing is STILL going on even after he's proven to be a better singer of the lot in the Gala rounds. People now take up his slightest comments/behavior and link it back to his supposed "bad character". I have two problems with this ... 1) whatever happened (real or not, staged drama or not), happened on a different reality show, so who the heck cares, anyways? 2) why is it that if something of the sort occurs between a guy and a girl and becomes a public spectacle, people always sympathize with the girl? I'm all for girl power and what not, but the amount of anti-male sentiment that I see on this forum is remarkable. I think if you put Karan Singh Grover's deewanis against the number of girls here who view men in the worst light possible on this forum ... they'd have a hard battle. 😆

Which brings me back to Angad ... 😉, do you remember how all the girls would always support Kripa over Angad just because she was the female lead on the forum? I think we were the only two idiots that stood up for him. 😆 Granted Angad was "the bad guy", but Kripa did some pretty stupid things on the show as well, some of the decisions she made were beyond reckless and ended up hurting her and Angad more than anything. Anyways, the point is, that everyone deserves the benefit of doubt at some point ... you cannot constantly bash someone because of one thing. Someone who does one bad thing isn't always going to be bad person, people can change, and people do change.

P.S. Wow. Thanks a lot, Persy! You know, I've criticized telly serials for so long now that its hard for me to even remember that I was an ardent Kaisa Yeh Pyaar Hai fan so long ago. 😆 But I have to admit that I only watched half the serial (never found out how the show ended 😆) and never watched a serial after that. I see so many eyebrows raising as everyone that's known me here reads this ... you let one of those deep dark secrets out of the bag today, Persy. Thanks a lot! 😛 Just kidding. ;)

Sorry everyone for going COMPLETELY off topic. This debate is neither about the male sex nor Indian Idol so ignore this post. 😆

Originally posted by: Dabulls23

We have a say in gujarati abt age & maturity "baare(12) budhhi (Brain-Intellect), sole(16) saan (Maturity), vise(20) vaan (Looks)..aave to aave baki naa aave" In short if u dont hit maturity at certain age u will never get it...Will miss the boat...😆

Varsha di, looks like I missed that boat! Darn it. 😆

Originally posted by: *Woh Ajnabee*

Whoa there sweets, calm down. 😆 'Sall good. I don't expect everyone to agree with me at any given time. In fact, that's what makes the forum fun. 😉

But thanks for the offer. 🤗

No seriously, who was he/she? Tell me, I had a small fight with one of 'em yesterday also, a few words were passed, but the topic's been trashed because of the curse words used.😆Anyways, I guess yours has been trashed too.

Originally posted by: Midnight_Shade

I see some folks raising some pretty interesting issues here. The connection between respect and age, that is.
I only partially agree with that oft-repeated maxim - "respect is earned". If respect is completely "earned", it suggests that you start with a zero-respect status (kinda like a blank canvas yet to be painted) and then you invent yourself and work your way up with your actions. However, realistically, that's not the case. There's a certain degree of respect towards people is already there by default. Just take your encounter with strangers for example. You treat strangers pretty politely and respectfully. When I have to ask what time it is to some passersby in the street, I don't say, "Hey, you lil no-good butthead, what's the time?" You ask them politely, "Excuse me, "mind if I ask what the time is?" So, it's only right that certain amount of respect is there by default. That's what the basic social practice is like.

But you do start out as a baby, who has no respect, and eventually shoot up in the rankings, by various factors, your intellegence, your nature, your looks etc...

Originally posted by: debayon

No seriously, who was he/she? Tell me, I had a small fight with one of 'em yesterday also, a few words were passed, but the topic's been trashed because of the curse words used.😆Anyways, I guess yours has been trashed too.

No wonder I couldn't find that topic! But I didn't know about things getting out of hand by that much. Dang, why are people so het up over that one contestant? 😕😆

Originally posted by: *Woh Ajnabee*

No wonder I couldn't find that topic! But I didn't know about things getting out of hand by that much. Dang, why are people so het up over that one contestant? 😕😆

I think it's probably because of his previous impression. But then again, it was the girl who had instigated him, and he had kept his cool while she was hurling curses at him. He was just defending himself when the girl came charging towards him. Still, if I were him, I wouldn't almost bash her up. Anyways, this is a new platform altogether, but unfortunately, undignified people aren't smart enough to take other factors into consideration. They still try to bring up his past and get some sadistic pleasure in that.