We are so insignificant in this universe - Page 12

Originally posted by: Mister.K.

micro organisms, most certainly. in fact, that's how it started off here on earth. we got bombarded by flying debris from space that carried microorganisms with them 4-5 billion years back.

Can we say it with certainty that that's how life came into existence here on earth? I thought that was a...well theory (in layman's term) yet to be proven.

Originally posted by: PhoeniXof_Hades

Can we say it with certainty that that's how life came into existence here on earth? I thought that was a...well theory (in layman's term) yet to be proven.

well, there are only two possibilities. either it originated here or it came from somewhere else.

one condition we need is methane. if it's there, there is a good chance that life is around. methane is believed to exist on moon, mars, jupiter, saturn and a bunch of other planets and objects.

microbial life seems to thrive in all types of conditions so if it's here, it could be anywhere else (however hot or cold that place is).

but what could have prevented intelligent life from developing elsewhere ? If they devp on earth they could ve devp any other place where conditions were right. with the huge nos of stars and planets theres got to be life - intelligent elsewhere too

Originally posted by: crazy_sunny

but what could have prevented intelligent life from developing elsewhere ? If they devp on earth they could ve devp any other place where conditions were right. with the huge nos of stars and planets theres got to be life - intelligent elsewhere too

probability.

let's say i have to roll the dice such that to produce intelligent life, i need to get 6-2-1-4-5-3 in that order.

the probability of that combination (i picked a really small set; in reality the set would be gigantic) repeating itself so as to produce intelligent life is not high. given plenty of time, it could. you need super computers to crunch those possibilities. just too many variables and factors.

Originally posted by: crazy_sunny

^^ First we have to be intelligent to know them 🤪 Better not encounter them in your lifetime unless you want to risk being taken for a guinea pig

They might not necessarily be hostile to us. We won't be hostile to other civilisations in case we detect them.

If we are detected first then it would certainly mean that they are far advanced than us. Considering it has not happened till date could mean that there are no such civilisations near us.

Originally posted by: SolidSnake

They might not necessarily be hostile to us. We won't be hostile to other civilisations in case we detect them.

If we are detected first then it would certainly mean that they are far advanced than us. Considering it has not happened till date could mean that there are no such civilisations near us.

we dont know that for sure , there were rumours but yes nothing proved so far

Originally posted by: Mister.K.

intelligent life doubtful because of the odds stacked up against simulating the unique circumstances that preceded human arrival here on earth, on other planets.

Isn't there a theory which suggests that Earth is not Unique. It suggests that there is nothing special about earth and that planets with similar characteristics like earth are scattered across the universe.

Originally posted by: SolidSnake

Isn't there a theory which suggests that Earth is not Unique. It suggests that there is nothing special about earth and that planets with similar characteristics like earth are scattered across the universe.

true, but the same can't be said about intelligent life for reasons i outlined before.

the primordial conditions are near impossible to duplicate. now, if they were duplicated elsewhere, then either it's all deterministic (someone planned it that way) or it would mean that it's easy to hit a jackpot in a casino every time you insert a quarter. the latter is mathematically impossible (nearly) unless time stretches to infinity. and we think we know that time is not infinite because we think we know that there was a beginning 14 billion years back.

This makes me realize, that with us being soooo small, there are surely millions of other life forms, and almost guaranteed some are much smarter than us (it's competely ignorant to believe that us the little tiny speck of dust is where all the intelligence is at when we have seen less than 1% of the entire universe closely).

With that said, all the questions we can't answer, relating to god, how life started, etc. probably can be answered by beings more intelligent with ease. I mean, their intelligence compares to ours can be ours compared to ants or something. What they know are questions we will never ask because we simply aren't smart enough. It's literally unimaginable.

The answers to some of our deepest questions is god, because thats as far as our minds can go. But if god is supposed to be universal, and we are using our minds thinking we know everything about the universe with seeing just nothing of it, then I'm sorry, but I doubt we are correct on god. It's just teh limit of the human mind.

Even if we can somehow detect an intelligent civilisation (or vice-versa) let's say few hundreds of lights years ago, how on earth are we going to communicate with them unless we breach the speed of light. Frankly unless we achieve FTL travel things look extremely pessimistic. The universe is simply too gigantic, the distances involved are mind boggling.