Will you be sad or glad to see Bush go? - Page 5

Originally posted by: apux

That was definitely ignorant comment to make, don't you think? Being gay isn't something that will go in or out of style! Did you wake up this morning and decide to be hetrosexual?

Originally posted by: apux

At least we agree on one thing, peace...and oh yeah, Obama!

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

Hey WA, belated welcome to DM! I really hope DM starts rocking and keeps rocking with so many new members visiting this section. Really hoping you folks get hooked to it as much as I am😆

Okay, coming back to pint here - I agree with your initial point about being Gay being the "in-thing" now a days --- the newest trend but I totally disagree with the bolded part above. There are numeorus heterosexual men and women who are not able to reproduce too. If god wished procreation to be the ONLY objective of sexual relations between two people, god have made sure everyone can procreate. Therefore, I don't buy this "lack of ability to procreate" as a valid agrument against Gay-ism.

When it comes to gay people, I have no issues/problems with them. They have chosen a way of life that please them just like I choose to practice some of my desi customs because it pleases me. As long as they are not forcing their views on me or hell bent on proving why their kind of relationship is superior to the kind I got in or I'd get in, I am okay with them. And this is why I do not judge them either. Whi am I to tell them what to do behind closed doors?

I really don't even care whether they are incapabble of feeling any attraction towards the opposite sex, i.e. born this way, or they have chosen it ouit of their own free will or for experimentation. To each their own is my motto. I support the notion of everyone having a right to live the way they want to live as long as they are not intruding in soemone else's life or harming/hurting the society in any way.

That said, I was never excited about Obama to begin with. You'll be surprised to know that I will miss Bush. I will miss the watchdog we had in whitehouse all these years since 9/11. Bush promised there won't be any attack on american soil and he fulfilled his promise to the american public. Let's see how many of his promises can obama keep😊

I knew you'd find my comments here. 😆 Yes, you've gotten me hooked to DM as well. Thanks. 😛😆
I agree, neither do I care nor do I want to know what people do behind closed doors, but does that in any way mean that I have to AGREE with it? Heck, no! 😆

About reproduction, a man and a woman are able to reproduce, just because a certain couple can't doesn't change the fact that the majority can and are reproducing. But two men or two women reproducing naturally isn't possible, its not something that's biologically acceptable. That's what my point was.

The discussion's useless though, and we've ruined the topic starter's original purpose. Or at least I have. 😆

Originally posted by: *Woh Ajnabee*

I knew you'd find my comments here. 😆 Yes, you've gotten me hooked to DM as well. Thanks. 😛😆
I agree, neither do I care nor do I want to know what people do behind closed doors, but does that in any way mean that I have to AGREE with it? Heck, no! 😆

No, you don't have to agree with it but you have tio stop justifying your disliking dragging god and his intentions or biology in the scene here. You should not need any crutches to support your likings and dislikings. Hey, there are so many people I don't like...because I just don't like them. It may be their attitude, their nature, their appearance....any freakin' thing but I don't justify my disliking by putting them in defensive position.

About reproduction, a man and a woman are able to reproduce, just because a certain couple can't doesn't change the fact that the majority can and are reproducing. But two men or two women reproducing naturally isn't possible, its not something that's biologically acceptable. That's what my point was.

In that case, what are your views on having s*x just for fun....for pure pleasure or for time pass? If god's intention was to have physical relations only with those who can procreate then we can very well take it a bit farther, stretch it some more and assume that god's intention is also to have s*x only for procreation. That means republicans are right when they say all abortions are against god's will! You see where this rigid stand ends up eventually - to a pretty boring life style for us adults😉😆

The discussion's useless though, and we've ruined the topic starter's original purpose. Or at least I have. 😆

Nope. No discussion is useless as long as we can bring it back to the point under debate😆 So, if you are against gay people because god did not intend anyone to be gay then you should be sorry to see bush go because he is against abortions because god does not approve of abortions😛😆

Originally posted by: *Woh Ajnabee*

Just because I don't suppose gay rights, I'm ignorant? No, I don't think that was an ignorant comment to make, that's why I made it. All of a sudden 20% of the world's population decides they're gay and want to admit it at the exact same time? Oh yeah, that's totally natural. As far as biology goes, ever wonder why gay couples aren't able to reproduce? Homosexuality goes against every aspect of biology. Genetics does point out the different kinds of sexuality disorders, but how many of these people have a sexuality disorder?

Just because you don't agree doesn't make me ignorant. If I don't support gay rights, its because I don't choose to do so. As far as keeping religion out of politics goes, that's being a little too optimistic don't you think? You're asking a man to set aside his belief as though they're not a part of him as he makes his policies? Even an Atheist's policies will be influenced by his beliefs, God or no God.

And oh yeah, I am disgusted seeing gay people together, outrageous enough for you? God didn't mean for that to happen. Adam and Eve, babe, not Adam and Steve. But that doesn't mean I don't think they have a right to live or that I try to stop them from doing what they want.

Anyways, didn't want to get into this, and look where that's got me.

**No personal offense meant here.

I don't think you are ignorant because you don't support gays...you have a right to your opinion on what you believe....I thought your comment was ignorant that being gay is a trend....whether you wanna believe it or not, gay people have existed even before you were born...shocking! And it is demeaning for you to suggest that being gay is the new cool hip thing nowadays! As for biology, what I meant is that people who are gay are physically attracted to the same gender just the same way you are attracted to the opposite gender...One specific study had a heterosexual male and female and a homosexual male and female tested...The all were given male sweat to smell, while a certain region in the brain lit up for the heterosexual female and the homosexual male, it did not affect the heterosexual male and the homosexual female...the same was done with female urine and results were the same...Anyways my point is, how can you talk about nature when that is how they are born....for gays, it is natural to them....

As for religion and politics...yes you can separate the two...now take abortion rights for instance....A politician's personal view for him/herself is that he/her does not believe in abortion but then the politician can still believe that other women should have the right to choose for herself....a good politician would know that in order to be successful and popular with its constituents, he/she needs to separate their own personal beliefs aside....And of course, not bringing religion into politics does not mean you leave behind morals...but that's another story...

That's good that you at least acknowledge the fact that you are disgusted by other human beings who live their life differently....I wonder how people would react if I said that I find it disgusting that two black people are in love with each other (I obviously don't)...talk about outrageous, right?!


*****None taken, I go through these debates with my conservative parents, aunts, uncles, etc etc!

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

No one can refute that they are human beings first and they have every right to live their life the way they want to --- as long as they are not forcing them on others or indulging in anything like predators or sexual offenders.

Exactly!! Some of my relatives have tagged me as a gay rights supporter...I always have to correct them and tell them that I am HUMAN rights supporter, whether it comes to race, religion or sexual orientation...I see people as humans that deserve the same rights as me even though they may look or practice in differently...

Okay, getting too personal here, now's the time to back off ... I think, not sure how it works in DM. Do we continue debating until Raj comes and increases all our warnings? 😆

I still think that two men in a relationship was not nature's intention (replacing God with nature just so we can all relate, people usually get a lot more worked up when religion is brought into anything). However, just because I think that does not in any way imply that I don't believe they're humans, we all are and should be treated that way.

@Gauri di, I think God is a major part of this, or more so religion. The differences in our beliefs come from our faiths, and that's why I disagree with gay marriages --- not because I'm disgusted, but because I really do think that its wrong, if that's me being ignorant so be it. The point of my argument really is that if its not nature's intention, we should not go against nature. Stubborn, aren't I? 😆

Peace out.

Originally posted by: *Woh Ajnabee*

Okay, getting too personal here, now's the time to back off ... I think, not sure how it works in DM. Do we continue debating until Raj comes and increases all our warnings? 😆

I still think that two men in a relationship was not nature's intention (replacing God with nature just so we can all relate, people usually get a lot more worked up when religion is brought into anything). However, just because I think that does not in any way imply that I don't believe they're humans, we all are and should be treated that way.

@Gauri di, I think God is a major part of this, or more so religion. The differences in our beliefs come from our faiths, and that's why I disagree with gay marriages --- not because I'm disgusted, but because I really do think that its wrong, if that's me being ignorant so be it. The point of my argument really is that if its not nature's intention, we should not go against nature. Stubborn, aren't I? 😆

Peace out.

It's not getting too personal! C'mmon we're all just expressing our views through our own valid points...it's not as if we are calling each other names!

Referring back to your main point about God/nature....but what if gays were created the way they are...wouldn't that be God's fault? I'm just saying, if sexuality isn't a choice here, then who is really to blame?

But I do find it funny that people bring religion and gay marriage together...how is that someone who may or may not even be from the same religion as you is so worried what someone else is doing in their lives...lets not bring the "sanctity of marriage" in because if that was the case then we need to outlaw divorce and adultery...I think that's more of a threat to marriage than gay marriage is!

Yes, I will be sad very sad. It will be the end of misunderestimation and noocoolar technology. But worse I am still curious where those weapons are. Please Bush, can you tell us now at least. Curiosity killed the cat, and I am dying.

Originally posted by: apux

It's not getting too personal! C'mmon we're all just expressing our views through our own valid points...it's not as if we are calling each other names!

Referring back to your main point about God/nature....but what if gays were created the way they are...wouldn't that be God's fault? I'm just saying, if sexuality isn't a choice here, then who is really to blame?

But I do find it funny that people bring religion and gay marriage together...how is that someone who may or may not even be from the same religion as you is so worried what someone else is doing in their lives...lets not bring the "sanctity of marriage" in because if that was the case then we need to outlaw divorce and adultery...I think that's more of a threat to marriage than gay marriage is!

If you say so, I'm in. However I feel the debate isn't prolific, because we'll never agree with each other. 😆 But my exact point is are you sure sexuality isn't a choice? If it is, then why did mankind start with one man and one woman (shoot, going back to religion again, darn it 😆), are you suggesting it could've started with two men as well? Please don't answer that. 😆

And the sanctity of marriage is what's at stake here, which brings in so many different issues today's society faces --- "living together" without committing to marriage, adultery, divorce, etc. And I disagree with all of them.

Taking it back to biology, and excuse me for being so blunt, but its been scientifically proven that its impossible for two men to have s*x, let alone reproduce. Imagine a world where people are free to choose their sexuality as they please, biologically necessary or not, at pleasure and will, how do you expect them the world and its population to proceed if we all become homosexual? Shouldn't nature's intention be given some amount of thought?

We're discussing to different issues here --- gay rights/marriage vs. "being gay" and its causes and biological heritage, which are two very different things.

Moral of the story, I'm an extremely conservative girl who's probably been born in the wrong century, perhaps I should've been born during the times when a girl showing her ankle would've been considered outrageous. 😆