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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: -Moderator-

I disagree with you for most part. I think Dancing Talent is always the main criteria for most part in shows like DID. If they can find good versatile dancers on the show, the quality of dance performances in itself can raise the TRPs of the show. The channel can always look for other means to add entertainment to the show. 😊

If you look at Top 6 contestants in all DID seasons, I think they were pretty talented and were not TRP material for most part. Yes recently channel has been using this gender equality card which is not fair when it comes to talent as they may evict a strong male contestant to retain a female. But I think Channel can not really control that once public voting starts. Many times we do not agree with public voting results and blame channel for manipulating results, but we got to understand that on this forum we look for technicalities of the dance while majority of the public who vote, they do not. 😳 I agree with channel projecting certain contestants in positive limelight using their poor background or so to gain audience sympathy but then if they aren't good dancers, they won't last for long.

Look at Rakhi from season 1, a perfect TRP material but couldn't last long once public voting started. Even in "just dance", they eliminated most hyped "karan Pangali" way early in the game. 😳

In my personal opinion, participants like Salmaan, Dharmesh, Shakti and few others were raising TRPs purely based on their talent. Going with your theory , they should have been evicted way early in the show and channel could have retained TRP-material dancers.

About MIthun Da eliminating deserving contestants ? well i never found Mithunda to qualified to be grandmaster. He just does not have skills and experience to be a main judge of the show. That position should be reserved for someone like Shiamak Davar who has done extensive work in the field of choreographing modern dances.😊

And someone here said that even master's comments are scripted too . Come on !! 😆 These guys just say what they see and their comments usually make good sense to me and justifies the performance of the contestant. Does channel have better experts in their team than these mentors ? How can they come up such technical comments?



I agree and disagree (with some)... 😃 I agree with most part, that dancing talent is always the most important criteria for contestants to stay and get to top, and also to gain popularity... I completely agree about Rakhee - she was eliminated in week one of public voting! Yes!!! Nah, nothing against her, but she wasnt a good dancer when compared to the rest...

Now I disagree with Karan Pangali part! 😈 😆 I loved watching his performances, even when he had some flaws!! His postures were always superb... And plus he looked like TL... 😳 And if you notice, the TRP ratings dropped dramatically for JD show after Karan was sent home... How could they pack him when he was better than some dancers who were safe?! 😭 😒

Now public voting... There's a possibility that the channel could be manipulating the numbers... We have no proof for either way.. It's true that DID gained its top reputation as a dance show because of the talent it showcases to the viewers... So it's unlikely that they will jeopardize the talent pool for plain politics.. They need both - talent and popularity/votes... So they would keep the talented dancers who can also bring in more viewers and more votes.. That's what I think is happening.. Only a speculation using my mere logic, okay? 😃

Dancers like Shakti, Dharmesh, Salman, Alisha, Amar, Jai, Amrita, Siddesh, and all were viewers' favorites too, as they have proved their extraordinary talent skills... Agreed, but it still brings some questions -- some of the dancers who were eliminated too early were also extra talented and loved by the viewers... For example, Mayuresh, Vrushali, Tashu, Kruti, and all... That's why it raises some suspicions about eliminating some better dancers... 😕

Now I also dont think the masters' comments are scripted.. Maybe one master's who keeps repeating the same words every time... Terence is shown as writing down his points while watching each performance, so he can highlight the best parts and the parts that need to be worked on... I like the way he does that, it also makes the viewers to learn a lot... 😃
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: akanna



I agree and disagree (with some)... 😃 I agree with most part, that dancing talent is always the most important criteria for contestants to stay and get to top, and also to gain popularity... I completely agree about Rakhee - she was eliminated in week one of public voting! Yes!!! Nah, nothing against her, but she wasnt a good dancer when compared to the rest...

Exactly, she was TRP material but doesn't mean she would stay in the show for long if her performances are weaker compared to others.

Now I disagree with Karan Pangali part! 😈 😆 I loved watching his performances, even when he had some flaws!! His postures were always superb... And plus he looked like TL... 😳 And if you notice, the TRP ratings dropped dramatically for JD show after Karan was sent home... How could they pack him when he was better than some dancers who were safe?! 😭 😒

lol. I dont see why we disagree here 😆 In fact my point was that channel could have retained him for TRP part but they did not. The judges clearly saw his flaws in western dance styles and he was eliminated. Very fair decision. So just being TRP material is not the only criteria to win these shows. Yes some may have a more likable personality compared to others where audience do vote for them in spite of their weak performances but channel can not help in such cases.



Now public voting... There's a possibility that the channel could be manipulating the numbers... We have no proof for either way.. It's true that DID gained its top reputation as a dance show because of the talent it showcases to the viewers... So it's unlikely that they will jeopardize the talent pool for plain politics.. They need both - talent and popularity/votes... So they would keep the talented dancers who can also bring in more viewers and more votes.. That's what I think is happening.. Only a speculation using my mere logic, okay? 😃

These votes are now audited by third party companies. Infact the whole voting system is outsourced to another company and channel gets to see only final results of the voting. If contestants are likable (personality wise or good looking) in addition to excellent dancers, then they are bound to be more popular and ultimately end up getting more votes / TRPs.

Dancers like Shakti, Dharmesh, Salman, Alisha, Amar, Jai, Amrita, Siddesh, and all were viewers' favorites too, as they have proved their extraordinary talent skills... Agreed, but it still brings some questions -- some of the dancers who were eliminated too early were also extra talented and loved by the viewers... For example, Mayuresh, Vrushali, Tashu, Kruti, and all... That's why it raises some suspicions about eliminating some better dancers... 😕

Well look at this way. Lets compare Mayuresh with prince. Mayuresh is no doubt more talented but most of the youth / teenagers can connect with funky stylo prince and his dancing style. Mayuresh sounds more technical but prince is fun to watch. Someone like prince is bound to be more popular than Mayuresh or Kruti.


Now I also dont think the masters' comments are scripted.. Maybe one master's who keeps repeating the same words every time... Terence is shown as writing down his points while watching each performance, so he can highlight the best parts and the parts that need to be worked on... I like the way he does that, it also makes the viewers to learn a lot... 😃

Oh yeah, no way these comments are scripted. This is not a daily soap or something where everything is scripted.


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Posted: 13 years ago
#23

Originally posted by: hindu4lyf


I don't see what being underprivileged has to do with being good/bad at dance? If you have a genuine passion for dance (and are good at dance or at least have potential) and can't afford lessons then the big dance schools often pay for you or provide some sort of scholarship. I know for a fact that both TL at TLDA and Shiamak Davar at SDIPA offer those scholarships.


i agree to you H4l to somee xtent, but these scholarships are only handful with respect to the need, more over u really need to convince the givers, quite difficult, most of the untrained underpriviledged people prolly do not even know about these things exist, and they are not really extentive, I do not know how they scout talents in remote villages or small towns, because it needs immense resources and these academies might not have it. So you have to come and prove to get these scholarships, but to prove yourself u need to show and to show you need to elarn, kinda in a circle. Although things are getting easier with technology these days
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Posted: 13 years ago
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@ akanna and moderator, i need to bump in coz of karan P. i thought he did fabulous auditions, but then mega auditions onwards he was repetitive, boring and weak. Also costumes form a very important part of work and he always seemed to wear the same costumes . i As soon as the show started i stopped rooting for him. But offcourse his elimination epi seemed scripted coz that was one of his best performances. Otherwise when they took him as 13th candidate of top 13 i was so pissed off for giving him preferential treatment, there was sharmistha who was down with jaundice but who was booted out promptly.

rest you guys carry on.

just wanted to add, i had a long discussion with akanna and we kind of agreed upon the fact that classical dancers are not much favoured and booted out earlier and regional dancers. sp those from south and east have difficulty in garnering votes
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Tannistha

@ akanna and moderator, i need to bump in coz of karan P. i thought he did fabulous auditions, but then mega auditions onwards he was repetitive, boring and weak. Also costumes form a very important part of work and he always seemed to wear the same costumes . i As soon as the show started i stopped rooting for him. But offcourse his elimination epi seemed scripted coz that was one of his best performances. Otherwise when they took him as 13th candidate of top 13 i was so pissed off for giving him preferential treatment, there was sharmistha who was down with jaundice but who was booted out promptly.


rest you guys carry on.

just wanted to add, i had a long discussion with akanna and we kind of agreed upon the fact that classical dancers are not much favoured and booted out earlier and regional dancers. sp those from south and east have difficulty in garnering votes



I agree about Karan's costumes! LOL, he had the same design, and that one also looked like one outfit TL had worn on DID once... It made him look awkward too when he did something outside Kathak, even a fusion with Kathak didnt look good in that outfit... Yes, his performance on the elimination day was very good... His auditions were also very good, he made a mark with it, and made our hopes go high for him... He got injured before the mega audition, and I think he might have had pains but still had to perform, and so his performances might have got affected... I didnt understand how a dancer can perform within a week of having a broken leg?!

You mean Soumita, right? She was the best on JD!!!! OMG, that girl used to take my breath away with her extraordinary expressions!! And I was mad when she ended up with jaundice when I was sure she will be a finalist!! They should have let her participate in the finale... 😔
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Tannistha

@ akanna and moderator, i need to bump in coz of karan P. i thought he did fabulous auditions, but then mega auditions onwards he was repetitive, boring and weak. Also costumes form a very important part of work and he always seemed to wear the same costumes . i As soon as the show started i stopped rooting for him. But offcourse his elimination epi seemed scripted coz that was one of his best performances. Otherwise when they took him as 13th candidate of top 13 i was so pissed off for giving him preferential treatment, there was sharmistha who was down with jaundice but who was booted out promptly.


rest you guys carry on.

just wanted to add, i had a long discussion with akanna and we kind of agreed upon the fact that classical dancers are not much favoured and booted out earlier and regional dancers. sp those from south and east have difficulty in garnering votes



Yes agree with you. Well said. 😊

karan created a huge impact (in his first audition) with his dance and personality and he is still one of my favorite dancers. It was such a pleasant surprise to see a male performing on classical numbers and gaining wide attention.😊 But later i thought his eviction was justified specially the way Ankit n Rajit used to perform. And in JD, there was no public voting so i think some decisions may sound unfair. It was mainly cummulative decision of these 3 judges. 😳

Yes it is a fact that Classical dancers are not favored. There are so many reasons behind it. I think mainly youth prefer western dances because they can relate themselves to those performers.😊 Like when prince or dharmesh performs, people can try to copy their dressing styles in day to day life or listen to those songs often or try to dance like them in public functions. People often like to copy their idols. Most of songs these days suit well for western performances. With classical, there is not much that these youth can do. Neither can they try to dance like them in function or dress like them. I love classical though. If channel really wants it, they can promote it successfully .


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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Tannistha


i agree to you H4l to somee xtent, but these scholarships are only handful with respect to the need, more over u really need to convince the givers, quite difficult, most of the untrained underpriviledged people prolly do not even know about these things exist, and they are not really extentive, I do not know how they scout talents in remote villages or small towns, because it needs immense resources and these academies might not have it. So you have to come and prove to get these scholarships, but to prove yourself u need to show and to show you need to elarn, kinda in a circle. Although things are getting easier with technology these days


Not at all Tannistha. Hard work and determination ALWAYS pays off..sometimes in the short run and sometimes in the long term. I think what these dance schools are doing is just amazing, hence the constant praise lol. Have you heard of Shiamak's Victory Arts Foundation? It's basically a class for kids with special needs. Recently, he's set up VAF in the UK and those kids are AMAZING! I couldn't get through their performance without crying like a baby. Shiamak does not dare take a single penny from those kids and those classes are open to any kid with special needs..no special criteria that looks at how well off you are.

In regards to 'ordinary' people who audition but don't succeed. My advice to them is try and try until you succeed, some day you surely will. Check out SPB batch - these guys perform with all the stars e.g. SRK, do private functions, perform at awards (wherever IIFA is held, SPB students from SDIPA will perform) and do a lot lot more and don't pay any more than what a regular student pays for in a term. Those SPB auditions are held at least two-three times a year so it's a brilliant opportunity for someone who is serious about a career in dance.

At the end of the day..I can't imagine dance classes being free for all. Dance teachers have a family to feed too but their fees are still half the price of international fees. Maybe still not quite affordable to some but a lot of local dance teachers don't charge anywhere near as much. But of course, they don't provide the same opportunities either.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: akanna



I agree about Karan's costumes! LOL, he had the same design, and that one also looked like one outfit TL had worn on DID once... It made him look awkward too when he did something outside Kathak, even a fusion with Kathak didnt look good in that outfit... Yes, his performance on the elimination day was very good... His auditions were also very good, he made a mark with it, and made our hopes go high for him... He got injured before the mega audition, and I think he might have had pains but still had to perform, and so his performances might have got affected... I didnt understand how a dancer can perform within a week of having a broken leg?!

You mean Soumita, right? She was the best on JD!!!! OMG, that girl used to take my breath away with her extraordinary expressions!! And I was mad when she ended up with jaundice when I was sure she will be a finalist!! They should have let her participate in the finale... 😔


nope, i mean sharmistha, she was another girl selected in top 21 but then booted out coz she was sick with jaundice and surjit replaced him.
soumita with her sob stories all the time and fake stuff about learning stretching and comtemporary all by her own made me dislike her right from day 1, and that onwards she was puke worthy for me. Not to mention her simple choreography, monotonous expressions and nothing notable dance was highlighted so much and unenecssarily praised. and she did laga chunari and said it was her idea when it was completley kruti's act she copied and that too a pirated cam rip copy. I remember some saumita fan trashing me in JD forum, but honestly i couldn't stand her at all. Jaundice or not , she deserved to be booted out way before, thank god for the small mercies.
Sorry i detested her dances, all of them, and the blatant show of favoritism to her pisses me off big time. You can see i am quite passionate about disliking her.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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another point they give importance to is that there should be atleast one contestant from every region of india ... so whole india watches the show and even votes for the contestant from their region [ = more money].. i know this coz last season there were deserving contestants from mumbai that couldn't get selected coz they had already picked one or two from mumbai even if you see NRIs don't get ahead much coz since online voting is free it doesn't count .. and they know they can't make moeny from them hence they get eliminated so early

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