CID episode 59 - 12th July - Page 7

Originally posted by: Chocolava5

Okay so about the weird behaviour part you mentioned....how about considering the fact that even Daya was behaving weird the first few episodes of this track...and all the team mates were still on his side

No matter how much SOS suspected him...everyone was backing Daya....inta support to bhai Abhijeet ko bhi nahi mila kabhi....literally the whole team is bent on saving Daya

So I wouldn't agree with that part of yours

Are Daya was suspecting Abhijeet because Abhijeet indeed has a dark past that was never made clear to the viewers. It makes him uniquely vulnerable to stress that can regress him back to his Tony state.

Basically, Daya was suspecting Tony , not Abhijeet but since both are different personalities of the same person he can't investigate one without suspecting the other can he !

All I'm saying is he'd his reasons to doubt Abhijeet.

I'm glad that Abhijeet is siding with Daya this time and trusting him. It is the same Abhijeet who literally shot his so called brother when he assumed Daya is the reason of Shreya's death. Let's not conveniently forget that. But Daya never held it against him for a single day. Maaf karke, has kar gale laga liya Abhijeet ko aur baat ko jaane diya.

Daya also took Abhijeet's help in investigating other members once he realized Abhijeet was not the traitor and they cleared the air.

Initially, he could only trust Anshyuman and Gargi to investigate because it was implicated that one member of the core team has turned and Gargi and Anshyuman were both new members who barely knew the bureau. I don't know how people miss these details.

Originally posted by: HereAsMyself

I never got the whole butterfly business myself. I was waiting for them to clear it up but they left it unexplained like many other things about the Eye Gang business. I hope it is brought up in a later episode.

I don't doubt Daya's dedication to his duty, but I'd argue the others have gone way above and beyond for their duty, too. Daya isn't an exception in that regard, but the others are called into question much more frequently than he is. And Abhjeet has been as loyal to Daya -- if not more -- as Daya has been to him. Abhijeet had no family, either, until he adopted his daughter Shreya.
I won't say that. In this season only because of a trivial circumstantial proof about his gun, Daya was suspended and not a single member from the team with the exception of Abhijeet spoke for him. You seem to think ACP favors Daya , then explain to me why he didn't even do a thorough investigation before kicking out Daya ?? Isn't it laughable to even think Daya can shot dead a sleeping woman ? Jumping to conclusions to Daya ke sath hua hai.

That time they learnt the lesson that they shouldn't have doubted Daya at the drop of a hat. Isi liye they're making up for it now.

If he gets to question others because it is a given he'll do it out of his sense of duty, why does it not apply to the other officers? Would pick on another colleague because of personal vengeance? And why trust ACP Ayushman and Dr. Gargi over people you have known for 20+ years?

I've already answered another member but I'll repeat. An insider from the core team who works closely with the bureau and knows all the exit routes, all the lay outs and security details was involved and had turned. So obviously he couldn't trust anyone else but Anshyuman and Gargi as they're fairly new. I'm sure he didn't trust them blindly either . More like a need to know basis working partnership which did help him. He also started working with Abhijeet once they cleared the air.

Ofcourse others were free to investigate the same way and they were totally free to include Daya in their suspect list. Nobody had stopped them. But ig Daya was just more intensely focused on finding the traitor than the rest of the team . This habit of him is what makes him such an iconic character, he's ruthlessly motivated and pursuant once set in a course of action as we see in this track too.

Originally posted by: Morana

I wasn't talking only about what happened this season. I was referring to the previous season as well. If they regretted kicking out Daya and are making up for it now, how come they don't seem to feel other members of the team are owed the same courtesy? Last season, for example, Shreya arrested Abhijeet because she suspected he'd shot Daya and Abhijeet couldn't recall what had happened. ACP Sir hadn't been present in the bureau when this went down. He was told when he returned. It was Sachin then who defended Abhijeet and Tarika who helped him. Both ACP Sir and Dr Salunkhe were very quick to believe Abhijeet was responsible for Daya being wounded and missing.

If Daya's response to the implication (from Barbosa himself, a criminal and a manipulator, if I am correct) that they had a traitor in the team is to suspect people he has known for 20 years and to trust two people he barely knows (because Ayushman himself had ad instances of suspicious behaviour), then he is a very unreliable judge of character. ACP Sir is even heard telling Barbosa in the recording that Barbosa has successfully divided the CID team. If a criminal comes and tells any of us that there is a traitor in your team, a criminal with vested interested in seeing us divided and suspicious of each other, who would we be more inclined to trust: the criminal, or the people we know and have worked with?

I'm not trying to put Daya down. I love his character in the show (especially the fact that, like Freddy, he doesn't try to be stoic all the time and isn't afraid to be emotionally expressive). I'm just trying to say they're all flawed characters in one way or the other, and this is a flaw I'd like to see him called out for. Their flaws and the contradictions in the characters are what makes the show interesting.

Originally posted by: CID-fan-394

Where are the newbies? I haven't seen Bhoomi , Kirthika and Avni in a long time....the rest of them are from the OG team

Woh toh for this track they are gayab...warna ig last week toh Kritika and Bhoomi were there...Avni is gayab from a long time agreed

Originally posted by: Morana

Initially, he could only trust Anshyuman and Gargi to investigate because it was implicated that one member of the core team has turned and Gargi and Anshyuman were both new members who barely knew the bureau. I don't know how people miss these details.

Gargi and Avni came at the same time if I am not wrong...also Bhoomi and Kritika were new too why didn't he take their help?

I am sure Bhoomi and Kritika know more technical stuff than Gargi as Gargi is trained to be a doctor while the other two have been taught abt cyber security before joining Cid which for sure includes teaching them basic uses of a computer...so wouldn't they be the better people to give the chip to?

Originally posted by: HereAsMyself

I wasn't talking only about what happened this season. I was referring to the previous season as well. If they regretted kicking out Daya and are making up for it now, how come they don't seem to feel other members of the team are owed the same courtesy? Last season, for example, Shreya arrested Abhijeet because she suspected he'd shot Daya and Abhijeet couldn't recall what had happened. ACP Sir hadn't been present in the bureau when this went down. He was told when he returned. It was Sachin then who defended Abhijeet and Tarika who helped him. Both ACP Sir and Dr Salunkhe were very quick to believe Abhijeet was responsible for Daya being wounded and missing.

Exactly...for some reason whenever it came to Abhijeet...everyone suspected him and never backed him....

But Daya ke against kuch hoga toh Puri team most of the time uske sath hoti hein...Abhijeet, Purvi and Pankaj specifically....it's like he is the special one there

Originally posted by: Chocolava5

Gargi and Avni came at the same time if I am not wrong...also Bhoomi and Kritika were new too why didn't he take their help?

I am sure Bhoomi and Kritika know more technical stuff than Gargi as Gargi is trained to be a doctor while the other two have been taught abt cyber security before joining Cid which for sure includes teaching them basic uses of a computer...so wouldn't they be the better people to give the chip to?

Gargi didn't have access and knowledge to those areas of the bureau that were known to Barbosa and gang . Plus, she's still the safest bet because she's not associated with Anshyuman but Bhumi and Kritika came with him.

Why'd Daya seek help from Bhumi or Kiritika for technical matters ?? That sounds so strange ! He needed an expert not someone who has only knowledge of basic stuff about computer. Lol utna knowledge Daya ke khub ke pas hi hai. Training usne bhi liya hoga as COP plus he's far more experienced. He basically needed an ethical hacker and he found out Gargi knows one. He was already investigating for a while so he must've also gone through Gargi's background checking.

Even then he threatened Gargi in harsh words that if she even thinks about turning , she's dead.

So no blind trust there.

Avni can not be trusted because she was one of the two people captured by Barbosa to blackmail ACP , one of them did turn out to be actual traitor.

Originally posted by: HereAsMyself

I wasn't talking only about what happened this season. I was referring to the previous season as well. If they regretted kicking out Daya and are making up for it now, how come they don't seem to feel other members of the team are owed the same courtesy? Last season, for example, Shreya arrested Abhijeet because she suspected he'd shot Daya and Abhijeet couldn't recall what had happened. ACP Sir hadn't been present in the bureau when this went down. He was told when he returned. It was Sachin then who defended Abhijeet and Tarika who helped him. Both ACP Sir and Dr Salunkhe were very quick to believe Abhijeet was responsible for Daya being wounded and missing.

I do not understand what you're trying to say here. Throughout the loooonnnggg journey of CID there have been many instances of the whole team trusting either Abhijeet or Daya inspite of incriminating evidences and there are also atleast one two example of them not trusting either of them under same. I already gave you an example of this season. Daya mostly always trusted Abhijeet and stood up for him. This time it was different because it was ACP Pradyumn's death and betrayal of a member leading to it. This is different. I can not blame Daya for suspecting Abhijeet when I myself found his actions very mysterious and suspicious. I still do.

If Daya's response to the implication (from Barbosa himself, a criminal and a manipulator, if I am correct) that they had a traitor in the team is to suspect people he has known for 20 years and to trust two people he barely knows (because Ayushman himself had ad instances of suspicious behaviour), then he is a very unreliable judge of character. ACP Sir is even heard telling Barbosa in the recording that Barbosa has successfully divided the CID team. If a criminal comes and tells any of us that there is a traitor in your team, a criminal with vested interested in seeing us divided and suspicious of each other, who would we be more inclined to trust: the criminal, or the people we know and have worked with?

This whole para above makes no sense to me. Because it is totally irrelevant to what led to Daya's actions. Forget a cop, even a layman with zero knowledge of crime can easily see it's an insider job. In broad daylight, Barbosa marched in with his gang confidently into the bureau and then they moved in a purposeful and well coordinated manner to plant explosives , secure gateways , took hostages , unarmed officers , bombed the building and presumably killed ACP ,yet themselves escaped unscathed. It was obvious they knew everything about the bureau like the back of their palm. Everyone knew there's atleast one traitor ( honestly I thought there'd be atleast two . Still can not believe Dr. Salunkhe leaked so much information alone and helped Barbosa to execute his plan so meticulously all by himself . I was sure Avni or Sachin or both are also involved. )

If Daya didn't think there was a traitor inside the core team, he'd be too dumb to even call himself a cop. Let's not forget Abhijeet also thought there's a traitor. Only his methods to approach were milder and he was completely on board suspecting Purvi and Pankaj and others and going around doing background checks on them , was he not ? And he was not wrong to do so either. Trust is secondary when removing the traitor or else everyone's life is in danger.

Anshuman even came to CID for this specific purpose , to find out the traitor. It was common knowledge that an operation of this scale and magnitude can not be carried out without the help of an ( or more than one ) insider with such finesse.

I'm not trying to put Daya down. I love his character in the show (especially the fact that, like Freddy, he doesn't try to be stoic all the time and isn't afraid to be emotionally expressive). I'm just trying to say they're all flawed characters in one way or the other, and this is a flaw I'd like to see him called out for. Their flaws and the contradictions in the characters are what makes the show interesting.

Originally posted by: Morana

I remember Daya confronting Pankaj in one episode saying something like -- 'you're suddenly getting a lot of international calls, who's calling you?' If he suspected Pankaj was with Barbosa, why on earth would he say something like that and put Pankaj on his guard? Wouldn't it be more prudent to wait until there was more proof? And Daya went and did a background check on Purvi and found the Eye Gang had sent her a mail which she did not disclose, but he wasn't able to discern from her call list she was in touch with DIG Pratap? Abhijeet went about the investigation in a much better manner. And Abhijeet kept an open mind doing it. He never jumped to accusing people left, right and centre like Daya did.
You said Daya was right to suspect Abhijeet because Abhijeet was acting suspiciously. He's known Abhijeet for 20 years. They have seen each other at their best and their worst. His immediate impulse is to think Abhijeet is involved with Barbosa? If so, then Abhijeet is a far better friend and a better judge of character: he's standing by Daya despite SOS's very justified and very warranted suspicion of Daya as a serial killer.

ACP Pradyuman also has zero issues believing Daya is acting for the greater good here. He would not have been so lenient had it been Abhijeet or any other team member. As I said earlier, he has a soft spot for Daya that he lacks to a large extent for the others.

I do agree with you that I still cannot believe Dr Salunkhe was the traitor or that he acted alone if he was. The entire revelation felt very unconvincing.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the computer expert they got to deactivate those mobile phone bombs and who later turned out to be in cohorts with Barbosa -- wasn't she Bhoomi's friend?