Vishakha .. Radhika's Goodwill Ambassador !

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@radev24

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Posted: 15 years ago

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Well, I know I know, I'm back on this thread ... but only after delving deep into all the posts, all the emotions being shared here on this wonderful forum, all the anger, upset, disappoint-ments, frustrations ... on one side of the spectrum ... and hopes and extremely positive thoughts and analyses .. on the other ! In one word ... well two, SIMPLY STUPENDOUS ...

And IMHO me realizes, without giving elaborate explanations or analyses, that we / I consciously (but not really knowing about it) chose to drown ourselves in this saagar, sea of sorrow ... just like positive thinking forumers "chose" to be that way ... Yet at the same time, self-analytically speaking, it can't be 100% "all conscious choice", knowing how thousands of us have been in this "mood". Yet we know that each one of us is an individual first, before we're part of "a group" .. Confused ?!?! Good !! 😉

(BTW, just couple days ago, was telling a forum buddy on the phone about ~ how these "news" reminded me of american tabloids and the way they pull all kinds of stunts for the sake of much-needed publicity when their ratings are down, etc... After all, with all due respect, our Indian media is quite maahir, expert in copying the West .. But then one day soon tables may turn .. and the world may look to the East ..)

Anyhoo, it seems confirmed from all "sources" that the horrendous post re fire accident is going to take place ... But do we know what the actual scenarios are really going to be like ?? What's the actual twist ?? Do we know who saves whom, who gets really hurt, who causes what, is the fire an accident on the wedding day ?? Kuch bhi to pata nahi hai ...😕 So many questions that we cant even speculate anything, even if we tried ... IMO ...

Please enlighten me ... it's possible moi must have still missed out on something !!! 😉

Well the point is ... the couple of turn of events, news, posts threw us off the cliff so quickly that I for one, didn't even think at least rationally, as far as Fri last shot, that we haven't even seen vishakha's real intentions yet ... Yes camera froze on the "old vishaka look" ... But howcome that instantly "meant" (to moi esp !) that she's really not changed ???

But for the sake of argument, lets just say that she HAS NOT changed, does that mean one and only one thing ??? That she's still the same self-centered, selfish vishaka ???

It can also mean that DJs have added a new dimension to her character, which has nothing to do with harming RaDev AND her own family, her own babuji (even remotely and indirectly) .. And without implying anything beyond that .. lets just wait and watch ... only 18 more hours of "wait" .. who knows we might all be pleasantly surprised ..

I believe that at least lot of us learned one thing ~ and that is ~ not to jump on the negative bandwagon so rashly .. need to use our discerning ability even though it has to do with a show, with a soap .. and not become a pawn at the hands of these "shataranj ke khilaadis" ..

Last but certainly not the least, I want to thank and salute all the lovely buddies on this EXCELLENT AND MOST-FRIENDLY FORUM (and you know who you are !!😃) to come forward and put the balm on this writer's "wounds" ... I'm touched ...

My 5C!

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Posted: 15 years ago

#32

Radev24 ... still have not lost hope that vish has actually changed. I think the earlier " amma, mrin, vish" plotting was a typo ... they said vish instead of vaishali

i dont see any purpose in bringing vish back as a negative character. So hang in there ... there are still some believers

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Posted: 15 years ago

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Hey thanks Rajstri !!

I know lot of us are still on this side of the taraazoo believing in how we view Vish .. Yet we have to keep our sanity and not get tipped at the tip of a hat .... When all kinds of clever ploys are afoot, we have to keep our feet firmly grounded ... In a way I'm glad that us viewers resolve is being challenged and tested, just like RaDev's being challenged ... We have to stick together and believe in our own conviction like Dev and Radhika are in spite of all sorts of hurdles thrown at them ... They keep coming out unscathed and victorious coz of their spiritual connection and utmost faith in kanha and in themselves ..

Lets see how the property story comes about tomorrow and all kinds of reactions from mircha, and esp vaishali .. It has already thrown her off completely and I'm wondering if she's again going to do something stupid like the epi on US TV 3 days ago when Dev even challenges his fickle-minded mom in front of shastriji that he will break all relations with his family, but never break his promise given to radhika .. Beta ho to aisa !!👍🏼 🤗. ❤️❤️🥳 👍🏼

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Posted: 15 years ago

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During this weekend flurry and bombardmen of all sorts of moods, I dont recall any post or thread mentioning about the PRECAP when amma decides to leave Vrindavan .. And since she has really broken all ties it seems, due to her own ugly acts, I just got to thinking how that is going to play out this morning ... Babuji may or may not come forward to stop her, while our radhika wedding rasams are still going on, after the way he deservedly treated the old hag ..

Amma's laadli poti doesn't want to have anything to do with her after the mehandi fiasco .. That leaves Devki and her ineffective ways of dealing with affairs ... However, I do remeber some post where amma is noticed in one of the SBS news as still part of the ceremonies with her usual ugly frog-face !! So it would seem somebody did succeed in making sure that the oldest member of shastri pariwaar dont run away with bori bistara !!!

BTW, Angake, I was wondering if your had any thoughts to your post on this thread few days ago when you raised so many awesome points and analyses, moi humble input to your points and maybe your counter analysis ...

Lets see what today's epi has in store .. it may be already on due to time difference !!

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Posted: 15 years ago

#35

Originally posted by: radev24
BTW, Angake, I was wondering if your had any thoughts to your post on this thread few days ago when you raised so many awesome points and analyses,moi humble input to your points and maybe your counter analysis

I do radev24 and I have been meaning to post them but somehow didn't get to it in all the upheaval the forum was facing in the last week. :(

BTW I am happy to see this thread up and running again. :)

In today's epi wasn't amma clever in turning the table and pushing all that guilt into babuji's mind. I so expected it from her. People like Amma have an amazing ability to know what to do and when to do without raising too much suspicion on themselves. Neither punishment nor forgiveness can change people such as these. I agree with you completely that even thakurji cannot change her.

I absolutely loved Babuji and Radhika's exchange today. Very endearing. As far as which of Shastriji's role is justified: his role as a son or that of a father I think I may have to disagree in that I do not believe his role as a son is justified at all. And here is why I feel that way. I completely understand that Shastriji in his mind has done everything possible to support Radhika within the boundaries of his status as a priest and as a son to Amma. But to me, that is not good enough. Shastriji made a conscious decision to bring that baby from the steps of the temple. Having made that decision he had the responsibility to shield that baby or child from any harm including neglect and abuse from other family members. When he shouldered the responsibility of that child's welfare he should not have compromised in the upbringing of that child even if it meant that he had to cross the boundary with his own mother.

Childhood is when the foundation for who we are in the future is laid. I am assuming the childhood of Radhika and Dev here but I think this is what the show portrays. Can you imagine the difference in the childhoods of our RaDev? On one side you have a child who was the apple of everyone's eyes - being hugged and kissed and pampered and spoilt by everyone and on the other hand you have a child who was always relegated to the sidelines, who didn't have new toys or dresses and whose only friend was not her sister but Kanha. There is a saying that it is easier to build strong children than repair broken men.

I find that even Vaishali as a parent is compromising with her son's happiness however Dev is an adult who has the ability to make decisions for himself when he feels a situation or decision made by his parent is unjust. We saw him standing up for himself when he was angry at his father for making him the RP without his consent and also when he was ready to walk out on his mother when she went behind his back. But maybe Dev was able to do that because his parents and other family members gave him self worth and in the process the ability to make that kind of decisions for himself.

How can an infant or a toddler or child have the ability to stand up for themselves? Children are totally dependent on their primary care givers (in most instances parents) to keep them safe emotionally and physically. Didn't Shastriji have that responsibility towards Radhika? Yes, he now supports her at home and publicly. But what about all those years when he didn't stand up for Radhika just because he didn't want to upset his mother or cross the mother-son boundary. Those were such important years in Radhika's early childhood when her self worth and sense of identity were being formed.

So, yes I do feel that by allowing Amma's hatred towards Radhika fester for years and years and not saying anything to stop Amma's abuse, Shastriji's role as a dutiful son is not justified at all. But that being said I do love his character. The strength and depth of love he portrays for his daughter is just mind blowing.

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Posted: 15 years ago

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Angake: Absolutely agree with you about Shastriji... I love his integrity his strength and his truthfulness.. I love his stand by his adopted daughter... absolutely love the pure and beautiful relationship they share.. Love his character as such but you are so right...

But when it comes to his mother.. I do not like the way he just overlooks the fact about his mother's behavior and her mistreatment for Radh. He has become Radh's father and it is his responsibilities to save Radh from any abusive environment or treatment.

As a son he has to respect his mother but as a father his duties toward Radh is more important becasue he is her provider and protector both at the same time... So his duties towards a child is important than to take care of an adult ammaji who can easily take care of herself...

Only in that part I do not agree that he keeps quite and let ammaji run the show....

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Posted: 15 years ago

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Originally posted by: angake

I do radev24 and I have been meaning to post them but somehow didn't get to it in all the upheaval the forum was facing in the last week. :(

BTW I am happy to see this thread up and running again. :)

In today's epi wasn't amma clever in turning the table and pushing all that guilt into babuji's mind. I so expected it from her. People like Amma have an amazing ability to know what to do and when to do without raising too much suspicion on themselves. Neither punishment nor forgiveness can change people such as these. I agree with you completely that even thakurji cannot change her.

I absolutely loved Babuji and Radhika's exchange today. Very endearing. As far as which of Shastriji's role is justified: his role as a son or that of a father I think I may have to disagree in that I do not believe his role as a son is justified at all. And here is why I feel that way. I completely understand that Shastriji in his mind has done everything possible to support Radhika within the boundaries of his status as a priest and as a son to Amma. But to me, that is not good enough. Shastriji made a conscious decision to bring that baby from the steps of the temple. Having made that decision he had the responsibility to shield that baby or child from any harm including neglect and abuse from other family members. When he shouldered the responsibility of that child's welfare he should not have compromised in the upbringing of that child even if it meant that he had to cross the boundary with his own mother.

Childhood is when the foundation for who we are in the future is laid. I am assuming the childhood of Radhika and Dev here but I think this is what the show portrays. Can you imagine the difference in the childhoods of our RaDev? On one side you have a child who was the apple of everyone's eyes - being hugged and kissed and pampered and spoilt by everyone and on the other hand you have a child who was always relegated to the sidelines, who didn't have new toys or dresses and whose only friend was not her sister but Kanha. There is a saying that it is easier to build strong children than repair broken men.

I find that even Vaishali as a parent is compromising with her son's happiness however Dev is an adult who has the ability to make decisions for himself when he feels a situation or decision made by his parent is unjust. We saw him standing up for himself when he was angry at his father for making him the RP without his consent and also when he was ready to walk out on his mother when she went behind his back. But maybe Dev was able to do that because his parents and other family members gave him self worth and in the process the ability to make that kind of decisions for himself.

How can an infant or a toddler or child have the ability to stand up for themselves? Children are totally dependent on their primary care givers (in most instances parents) to keep them safe emotionally and physically. Didn't Shastriji have that responsibility towards Radhika? Yes, he now supports her at home and publicly. But what about all those years when he didn't stand up for Radhika just because he didn't want to upset his mother or cross the mother-son boundary. Those were such important years in Radhika's early childhood when her self worth and sense of identity were being formed.

So, yes I do feel that by allowing Amma's hatred towards Radhika fester for years and years and not saying anything to stop Amma's abuse, Shastriji's role as a dutiful son is not justified at all. But that being said I do love his character. The strength and depth of love he portrays for his daughter is just mind blowing.

Originally posted by: evasumi
Angake: Absolutely agree with you about Shastriji... I love his integrity his strength and his truthfulness.. I love his stand by his adopted daughter... absolutely love the pure and beautiful relationship they share.. Love his character as such but you are so right...

But when it comes to his mother.. I do not like the way he just overlooks the fact about his mother's behavior and her mistreatment for Radh. He has become Radh's father and it is his responsibilities to save Radh from any abusive environment or treatment.

As a son he has to respect his mother but as a father his duties toward Radh is more important becasue he is her provider and protector both at the same time... So his duties towards a child is important than to take care of an adult ammaji who can easily take care of herself...

Only in that part I do not agree that he keeps quite and let ammaji run the show....

Hey thanks Angake and Eva Dears for your great in-depth insights !!

Ya, amma has always been clever in the guilt-trip department ... We know she has done that dozens of times .. Rem ? when vishaka was one of the ladies carrying matka to the well and amma blamed "u know who" for not tying the shambhu cow ... after releasing him ?? That was terrible of her ... Psychologically speaking, even in real life I've known guilty people being the first to shift the blame on others, so that they look "good" to themselves in their own self-estimation ... Sadly, the length of the soap will be cut down big time if there ever was to be a change of amma's heart ...

I do see both your points and have to agree, and admittedly my analysis of shastriji was based on putting my feet in his shoes, knowing how perfect his character is otherwise ... Yes, a child goes thru impressionable and vulnerable years growing up, needing all kinds of support to build her self-esteem, confidence, self-worth, identity ...However, I somewhat disagree regarding "compromise" ... Somehow I cant bring myself to believe based on all the epis we have watched that a truthful, honest person like shastriji will compromise with the life and wellbeing of his adopted daughter, make it secondary in importance just coz he didn't put his foot down watching amma's atrocities .. (well, my 2C!) .. Wonder what kind of "homework" have DJs done in forming these three characters ..

Well, today's epi basically had 2-3 important facets, one of which re purohit property transferred in radhika's name and devki's concern shown by making sure that the lawyer doesn't return without bitiya's signature .. To me this was an important reflection on devki's character for radhika's wellbeing, although nothing to do with greed or anything ..

Vishaka was portrayed as being very happy when hearing such great development about radhika being the owner of various trusts, schools and mutts .. If she was "acting", wonder if it was a good or bad acting .. But personally I firmly believe that Vishaka was not acting, that she was genuinely happy, and that brings up my litte observation in the next para re her "raaz" ...

I believe that vishaka's so-called "raaz" has to do with disclosing THE TRUTH ... There were moments in the past when she almost blurted them out, but perhaps the timing was not right, including when RaDev were in bombay ... And right now is the only time that Vish believes she can disclose it ... i.e. BEFORE the wedding ... Rem ? She says to purab ~ wait for "one more night" ?!?!

Granted that she thinks radhika overheard her, but its just a hype, AGAIN, on the part of DJs ... nothing more than that .. coz the PRECAP shows vishaka getting radhika ready in dulhan ke libaas mein ... My, how stunning our radhika looks !!

Vishaka knows by now that amma and devki are NOT ever going to disclose it to babuji, since they haven't SO FAR !! (IMO) ... Besides, this "raaz" also coincides with the timing of vishaka's return to vri, as if this is the sole purpose of why she returns only in the midst of wedding rasams and all that .. lets wait and see ...

BTW, I liked the part where radhika is telling vish re significance of gauri pooja and babuji overhears the wisdom and knowledge of his putri .. and has tears in his eyes ...

Changing the gear here a bit ... And old hag praying to kanha and even shiv/parvati (to coincide with radhika's gauri pooja !!) ain't going to happen .. Is Amma out of her mind that she dont even know that one prays to god to do GOOD to others, not EVIL ??? Hello ???

Would welcome all wonderful thoughts as always !!

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Edited by radev24 - 15 years ago

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Posted: 15 years ago

#38

Prem and everyone else love your comments and thoughts.

Just wanted to add about AMMA..ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How can you possibliy have the same dialogue for almost a year....man when will she get it through her head..DEV LOVES RADHIKA. RADHIKA LOVES DEV. AND VISHAKA IS NOT EVEN A THOUGHT IN DEV'S MIND. Seriously is that not the most annoying dialogue. What right is Radhika stealing....i get sick to the stomach having to hear her. Actress is fabulous but writers please give her some new dialogues. ahhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted: 15 years ago

#39

Hey Nir Dear !!

I know, you me and thousands more ... just sick of this repeated diatribe ... really there's a limit to so much monotony and boredom that DJ's can't come up with some fresh ideas that are still plausible with old hag's character ...

And yes, you're so prompting me to repeat your words below ...

DEV LOVES RADHIKA. RADHIKA LOVES DEV. AND VISHAKA IS NOT EVEN A THOUGHT IN DEV'S MIND !!! AMEN !!!

As far as Radhika stealing vishaka's rights, ghoom phir ke this is the dialog amma is left with to attack radhika with for "mor poti" .. and this is the dialog / thought that keeps making old hag resort to unthinkable acts ... burning bangles .. to mehandi poison .. to god knows what else ... And as predicted before, aag ke peeche bhi amma ka hi haath hona hai (amma only is going to cause fire) ... rather than an accident ...

BTW, someone speculated that vishaka is probably married or engaged and doesnt want anyone to know ... Sorry have to disagree with that angle .. Somehow I dont think anything like that happened in b'bay from her body language, cleverness in her eyes in today's epi ... today's vishaka looked more like old vishaka, than even yesterday's vishaka ...

With the passing of each day into the Big Wedding Day TOMORROW, who knows what more secretive angles this vishaka is going to divulge ?!?!?!

But below are some of my speculations, and admittedly they may all be totally insane and dumb ... but then again ... here goes ...

1) It appears amma can "read" her poti and her "acting" and the two are going to plot something together tomorrow, even though vishaka has no clue where and who those paayals came from and are meant for .. and doesn't even care to know coz she has something else brewing in her mind in #2 below ...

But before that, I just have to say that I absolutely didn't like this evil person's iraade succeeding when they fell on "wrong" ankles ... As I'm sure all of us couldn't digest (nigalna) that either ... Yet my faith in kanha is ever so strong and something will happen tomorrow, since Dev knows that his "bhola dost birju" handed them to "that amma", and dev's reaction to that ... Our Dev knows that old hag too well and perhaps has already visualized that the paayals are not on the RIGHT ankles ... on his radhika, on the love of his life .. on his hone waali dulhan in just a matter of few hours ... (again IMO)

2) Vishaka is going to switch places with radhika (tables turning big time!) by taking advantage of the diversion caused by the fire ... although that would be very dumb and stupid on her part, and on DJs part to even think about it ... To me it just doesn't make any cinematic sense ... repeating the old mistake for the sake of what .... TRPs?

3) As mentioned earlier .. the "raaz" may have simply to do with vishaka revealing THE TRUTH just before the wedding, and portray and prove to one and all that she's indeed here to share in radhika's happiness .. and no other ulterior agenda ... DJs are intentionally making vish look "bad" when showing her conniving body language and camera again freezing on her cleverly exposed eyes ..

4) As already posted by so many other forumers, now that radhika is going to be the owner of unthinkable riches and wealth, and vishaka seemed visibly happy with that news, still she's going to sway radhika to usurp part of that wealth from her to fulfill her own dreams ... Somehow this plan simply doesn't seem doable and practical or even possible .. as it's full of so many obstacles along the way ... But then again ... who knows ...

5) A very far-fetched idea that came to mind is that ... vishaka is going to use this "entire wedding sequence" as part of a movie that she suggested to produce to the people she's supposedly working with in the Big Bollywood, only because Purab "found out" about it from b'bay ... and me trying to connect the dots ... lets wait just less than 24 hours !!

6) Didn't the 1st fake wedding consummate and both Dev and Vish signed the divorce papers ?? I read posts indicating that vish return may have to do with claiming that the divorce did not finalize and thus claim her rights over purohit money, now that vish knows how much saasu still wants her to be the CB !! Here again, I have my doubts that vish return has anything to do with this twist ... This plot is so fraught, so full of uncertainties and obstacles from one end of the spectrum to the other ... (just my 2C!)

7) Also, I still maintain and believe that vish return has to do with exposing Mri and make radhika aware of what she's going to be up against at the PB .. although this may not happen tomorrow, or just as yet ...

There are way too many opposing "suspenses" intentionally created by DJs to keep us sitting on the edge of our seats ... and keep us speculating ... keep us wondering, keep us glued, keep our thoughts go haywire ... wonder if they're succeeding in "their" ulterior motives ...

So, the point of all the above points ~ Is Vish really radhika's GA or not ?? The answers seem as varied as many different speculations the readers/buddies/forumers may have ...

BTW, my fingers are itching to express some views re today's epi, so will try to post them much later today ... (tuesdays being hanuman chalisa day at the mandir !)

My 5C!

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