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DirtyMartini

@Grumpydwarf24

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Posted: 9 years ago

#801

@Bhavi Did you watch Dehleez today? Their slowly adding in family politics with the uneducated Bahu having insecurities? But I am still enjoying the show over all.

This was cute!!

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc2TVLoxsDA[/YOUTUBE]

And this was emotional!!!

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QEy0mxfFaM[/YOUTUBE]

Edited by grumpydwarf - 9 years ago

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-Sush-

@-Sush-

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Posted: 9 years ago

#802

Hi Red,

Nice article from the Economist...although I don't agree with everything they have said...there are some good points...specially about increasing taxes not solving the problem...Their view that the problem in the US is lack of competition and monopolies that can be addressed by stricter anti trust laws, ...is an interesting one...There are certainly areas ...where the monopoly is allowed ...which is increasing company profits without helping the workers or the consumers...

Chick, I am not watching EDKV any more...I think desi soaps just don't make sense to me...movies are much better...specially some of the new ones seem more tuned in to reality...I don't get desi soap heroines...that has been a constant issue with many soaps I have tried...

Finally on world peace...Red...I wish having peace was as simple as walking away from wars...unfortunately the world doesn't work that way...and the history is full of examples...of peaceful people and civilizations subjected to horrific things because they did not fight...I read a quote somewhere that Hitler would have loved peace and no Second World War...if everyone only just let him do what he was doing and chose not to engage in war...

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DirtyMartini

@Grumpydwarf24

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Posted: 9 years ago

#803

Hey Sush,

I dont agree with everything the article say either. Especially how raising the minimum wage won't solve the issues. It was raised in the 90s and helped a lot of people move up in terms of economic stability. And is said to have helped the economy because minimum wage workers have to spend everything they have. That helps boost the economy, many people will tell you.

And as far back as you look back in American history the economy has always done better with taxes being increased not decreased. Even under Ronald Reagan it was 70% percent for a while. As the taxes decreased he incread the deficit. The corporate tax rate in the progressive era use to be 60 some percent. But since the Free Trade agreements weren't written for and by corporate America. The way they are now by giving the American government money through Super Pacs so corporate America can play by their own set of rules. Like taking their companies over seas where they can pay workers cents an hour and still be able to sell their products here. Thus we didn't see a lot of outsourcing of jobs.

Even Robert Reich, who was the former Sec of Labor in the Clinton administration has stated the lowering taxes on corporations as been tried by both the Obama and Clinton administration but it hasn't worked since the effective rate is already low. But people Gerald Friedman, Robert Reich and others say Bernie's single payer plan may encourage companies to come back here as they will not have to pick up the private cost of health insurance for their employees.

Look at democratic socialist countries like Denmark, Sweden, Scandinavia, Norway. 90% percent of Danes are fully satisfied with their country. It actually ranks as one of the world's happiest countries. These countries have the lowest rates of poverty in the OECD. Because Government tends to work for ordinary people and doesnt just provide corporate welfare by voting in favor of Bills due to Super Pac money that only help the top 1%. And these countries actually pay just as much in taxes as American only their more fair. Most of our tax payer dollars go to regime changing wars and military spending. China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, France, UK and other countries combined spend $601 Billion dollars as a whole on military spending. America alone spend $610 Billion dollas every single year. And even with more taxes the average person in democratic socialist countries is at least $13,000 dollars richer than the average American because they dont have to spend fortunes on healthcare, education.

Now our tax payment also gets wasted in funding prison cost thanks to the first Clinton administration. There was a crime bill passed in the 90s by the Clinton administration where Hillary darling famously referred to African Americans as Super Predators which she denies now to Black Activist. Again this is not surprising coming from a woman who supported Goldwater a segregationist after college while Bernie was fighting for Civil Rights. And who showed pictures of Obama in a garb. Who is she to criticize Trump for being a racist and encouraging anti-muslim rhetoric? Any hoo now states after to tax their citizens significantly high due to the Clinton Era's start of mass incarceration that has put more Americans behind bars than any other country including China. Again Bernie also supported this bill because it was combined with the Brady Bill and VIAWA. But he at least is apologetic about it unlike Hillary and never referred to anyone as a "super predator". Again there are many reason to dislike Hillary they aren't all rooted in her being scrutinized or sexism. I dont think she has been a victim of any kind at all just gotten where she has gotten due to the Clinton last name.

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqLfvQfuvsA[/YOUTUBE]

The Clinton administration also signed free trade deals like Nafta which cost as thousands of jobs. Permanent trade relations China which even Donald Trump says was a disaster. And cut welfare which was only 4% percent of the budget and put millions of Americans in poverty. The few economic success that administration had was due to the Internet boom which wasn't REALLY Bill or Hillary's fault. Also raising the minimum wage and reversing trickle down economics to SOME extent. But not even as close to how much it was during the progressive era. The middle class grew minimally at best. They actually got far less passed than Obama. The few things that were passed ended up proving to be harmful in the future like repealing Glass Steagall.

Here is Robert Reich the former Sec of Labor take on the article: Copied Straight from his Facebook page

The Economist is an excellent source of analysis, even though its editorial direction is right-of-center. Here it makes that case (the same one I make in "Saving Capitalism: For the Many, Not the Few") that American corporations have become too dominant -- capable of overcharging consumers because of lack of competition. The result is a major redistribution upward, from the paychecks of average people to corporate executives and major shareholders.

And the take on world piece. Of course there are times where War is necessary but should it be the first resort? Is using violence as a means to supposedly fight for the humanitarian cause justified? The Iran Deal proved otherwise? In the Iraq War itself America is responsible for kill over 100K civilians? How are we any different than Sadam Hussain. Do we even have a number of how many people he was killing? Do know how many innocent minorities get killed in by our police AKA government every year? Should someone come in and police us? And it very debatable about whether Iraq is better off today. None of my TAs who come from Syria would agree. Its become a haven for terrorist who kill many people too. They believe we destroyed a beautiful country. The healthcare system was ranked far better than ours. It was once a developing nation. Now in complete and utter chaos. Isis is not the only terrorist groups there are many smaller ones.

And secondly the humanitarian explanation was not the one give to the American people which was WMD. That we never found. It resulted not only resulted in a severely destabilized middle east. Which we can see the results of now not just in the middle east but all over the world. For an example, we see terrorist attacks happening all over the world. Trillions spent and an increased deficit. Veterans coming home to one of the most messed up (sorry) the most messed up health care system in the world suffering from PTSD. Not having a enough funds to fix our crumbling infrastructure that is poisoning kids in Flint Michigan. Of course sometimes war is nessacary but should we sit back and think about the consequences FIRST before we vote for in Iraq and decide for an intervention in Libya, another destabilized state becoming a haven for terrorist.

Oh and ONE of the huge reason behind Sanders upset in Michigan was because people underestimated the Muslim vote. Who are now for Sanders because they partly blame Hillary for whats happening in Libya and Iraq. I dont know too many Muslim intellectuals living in the Middle East who thought it was a good idea. Fatima Bhutto certainly takes every chance she gets to criticize Bush and Obama for his drone strikes. The majority of the American people dont. Look at Bush's approval rating here and around the world primarily due to the Wars?

Again I fully agree with this article I posted from international relations.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/01/08/what-would-a-realist-world-have-looked-like-iraq-syria-iran-obama-bush-clinton/

But to each its own.

Finally another endorsement.

http://berniesanders.com/press-release/former-wisconsin-lt-gov-lawton-endorses-sanders-president/

Edited by grumpydwarf - 9 years ago

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DirtyMartini

@Grumpydwarf24

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Posted: 9 years ago

#804

http://www.vox.com/2016/3/28/11318640/terrorism-threat-hype

Another fav article about how terrorism isn't as big of a threat yet as the media portrays it. But if we keep on entering these regime change worse that create chaos it might spread all over the worlds. Just like its gradually spread all over the Middle East.

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bohemia

@bohemia

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Posted: 9 years ago

#805

Originally posted by: grumpydwarf
http://www.vox.com/2016/3/28/11318640/terrorism-threat-hype

Another fav article about how terrorism isn't as big of a threat yet as the media portrays it. But if we keep on entering these regime change worse that create chaos it might spread all over the worlds. Just like its gradually spread all over the Middle East.

Is this guy for real?? 😲 I do get terrorism is not as real an issue in the US as it is in South Asia. But downplaying it... seriously??

Edited by .bohemian. - 9 years ago

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DirtyMartini

@Grumpydwarf24

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Posted: 9 years ago

#806

It's comparing the death rates to car accidents and gun violence. About 33,000 die each year from gun violence. The media and campaigns don't cover it as much. I don't think it's undermining it. World Politics profs posted it.

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bohemia

@bohemia

Voyager

Posted: 9 years ago

#807

Originally posted by: grumpydwarf
It's comparing the death rates to car accidents and gun control. About 33,000 die each year from gun control. World Politics profs posted it.

S, the reason there are fewer deaths due to terrorism is because the intelligence and security forces are doing their job, and doing it well.

I do partially agree with the media saturation bit. Playing the images in a loop... it instills terror in the minds of people. Just what the terrorists want.

Edited by .bohemian. - 9 years ago

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Lipstickqueen

@Lipstickqueen

Dazzler

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Posted: 9 years ago

#808

Hey ladies,

I know you are discussing bigger and more important things but did anyone see the EKDV episode yesterday? Why would you agree to marry someone to make someone else jealous or upset?? Seriously??? Mr. Lawyer may have book smarts but he's pretty life dumb.

I hope Suman subscribes to this saying " Don't look back; you aren't going that way." It will be interesting to see how the writers take this forward . . .

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-Sush-

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Posted: 9 years ago

#809

Originally posted by: habs
Hey ladies,

I know you are discussing bigger and more important things but did anyone see the EKDV episode yesterday? Why would you agree to marry someone to make someone else jealous or upset?? Seriously??? Mr. Lawyer may have book smarts but he's pretty life dumb.

I hope Suman subscribes to this saying " Don't look back; you aren't going that way." It will be interesting to see how the writers take this forward . . .

So my prediction about Shravan getting engaged to the other girl is coming true??

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bhavis

@bhavis

Stunner

Posted: 9 years ago

#810

hello all

G- I don't think that there is a family politics yet in the show. What they are showing is very natural and close to reality. I am liking the show however am not sure how long can one have good episodes since its a 7 days show. Cast and crew will surely burn out soon.

On terrorism: Many people can die at the same time if its taken lightly. There can be mass destruction both of property and lives like that on 9/11. As far as shooting is concerned the no gun policy can take care of it. Accidents can be prevented. They are due to human errors and not due to some unseen reason.

Indra- The engagement was a drama. The lawyer mind at work. He calls Suman cheap but to me he did a cheap drama with Urvashi and family. Today he blames that Suman did what she did on purpose and claims that she knows that he remembers about jewellery😲 On one side he tells her that he has forgotten everything and on other 😆 They both are still in the school the way they are behaving.

Just a suggestion and not to offend any one. Can everyone here just post the link of the article if its too lengthy😕 It takes a whole lot of effort to find the other post especially if you are logging from phone. 😳

Edited by -Bhavi - 9 years ago