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Posted: 15 years ago
@ Arun Deeps,

Addressing you in the CC after a long time Dear Sis🤗. Loved the Tulsidas Jayanti Sig Dear! The photo of Tulsidasji and Siya-Ram are very very beautiful👏!

And Loved the Pictures from 'Sagar Website', all the photos are just Great😍!


@ Lola and Gunia,

At first, Thanks a lot for those appreciating words⭐️, but that was really a coincidence that suddenly my eyes caught that Info about Tulsidas Jayanti from the calendar. The credit goes to the Lord- Prerna /Sankalp to Wohi dete hai😊😊.



@ Lalitha, Lola and Dpka,

Enjoying the discussion about Old and New Mythos👏👏 . Along with quoting your Brilliant Views, Just wanted add my view (really a short one😆).



@ Lalitha,

I loved these portions of your post in page 90⭐️⭐️⭐️:-

"I think the biggest factor for me is that NDTV Ramayan had the feel of Ramayan. Of course, our RS one is my all time fav and will be forever, but I always like other Ramayans or Shri Krishnas based on how mythoish they feel to me. NDTV Ramayan felt like a show based on the Treta Yug…"

And from page 88:-

"Ramayan still retained the 'Ramayan-like' feeling for me for the most part throughout the serial…"


"Compared to KHMK, I'd have to say that NDTV Ramayan and JSK are God's gifts."



And about the new generations' approach to make a new serial based on those original works-"Despite the fact that they lack in today's technology, they continue to touch their fans' hearts because of the sheer sincerity and divinity displayed throughout the serial by Ramanand Sagarji. He really put in a LOT of research into the ancient scriptures for as much accuracy in the storyline as possible, that his family already has most of the work done where it concerns storyline for their new mythos today. They only need to concern themselves with how best to use today's technology to catch people's eye."
I completely agree with you Dear!


Now my addition😃:-


Actually I watched only the Uttar Kand part of NDTV Ramayan and Loved Gurmeet's performance. And also Debina's acting was also very good.

The way they portrayed Shri Ram's character was like someone from us. I think I loved this particulat element in his character. The lengthy conversations which he had with Kaushalya in the evening after the performance of LuvKush- were really nice👍🏼 . Of course, I should admit that at that time I did not rememeber the Original Ramayan , its story or its dialogue. So Loved the NDTV work, for the same reason as you have mentioned- the Feel of Ramayan. Yes they had it in those episodes. But as I haven't watched the 1st part, so can't write about the main part of the story.

BTW- Let me clarify one point, as I haven't followed JSK, so I don't have any opinion about that show😊.



@ Lola,

Now coming to your posts comparing Old and New Mythos; I loved all your ranting Dear, Enjoyed a lot! Jhappi, Jhappi and Jhappis for you, 🤗🤗🤗 maafi ki to koi baat hi nahi, I think you have given voice to the Serious Audiences' Natural Reaction after watching those shows.

Now let me quote some part of your post of page 90:

"chiming in on the Deeps-Janu new mythos discussion, I def agree on the order of preference: 1) NDTV Ramayan for great costumes, music, sets, and good acting (only minus points for the writing sometimes), 2) Meera for good performance and sometimes really touching stories, may have been fictional but still made me tear up esp during childhood epis…"

"Another point I'd make would be my appreciation for Debi in NDTV Ramayan - her growth as an actress was really wonderful to watch ……. in Uttar Kand, she totally outdid herself and portrayed such strength and devotion that she'd put any other current telly actress to shame."


Yes in some Scenes , she did a Great job indeed😊. I liked her performance in the later episodes.

Now from your post of page 96:-

". I really appreciate that they tried, that they put their time, money, and efforts into a mytho rather than a soap and created a bright spot in the otherwise blah tv landscape. however, I wish they didn't put in that much effort they sometimes worked a bit too hard and rewrote characters who were already written perfectly. that's why I put Meera ahead of JSK, cuz though so much of it was blatant fiction, the stories during her childhood epis had meaning and went well with who we know her to be."

I adored Meera😍😍, It had the element of Sincerity in it. The Devotion was shown in Such a Nice way! And the way Aashika Bhatia as well as Aditi Sajwan has portrayed the character- they were just Great⭐️⭐️! They just lived the character of Meera. They made it Real! Its true that Some incidents were exaggeration, but we always have that problem with Great characters; some way or the other, myths and legends start growing around them, and after some time it becomes really difficult to dfferentiate Fact from the Fictional Stories. Overall I can say that I tried to follow Meera regularly and was very Happy to watch it as it was able to generate the element of Devotion through its characters and direction 👍🏼👍🏼 . This time I was ranting😆😆😆…

"I do agree with you that the motive was modernization. When they did it with Ramji's character by having him fast when Sita Maa did, serve her and declare that all men should follow his example and serve their wives who do so much for them, let her win their game of chausar, play the portrait joke, etc., I was totally for it - this kind of modernization, I loved, because not only was it entertaining, it also put forth messages about love ad equality that today's world needs and that do not go against the characterization of Shri Ram that we've loved and worshiped for so long…"

Really glad to know about the element of 'modernization' introduced by the directors😊. Going with the time- sometimes it becomes necessary.


"If freaking out like that instead of being patient and forgiving like Sumitra Maa used to be is supposed to be modernization, then have virtues like patience and compassion gone out of style? And if they have, isn't it the responsibility of shows like this to bring them back in style, given that they reach out to so many people in so many places? If they added to Ram's loving and just nature by making him teach us more about equality in relationships, then why didn't they use that same creativity to add to other characters' virtues rather than reducing them to angry, irrational, and out-of-control lallus? Today's world has enough of that, old-fashioned hi sahi but I'd like to see these characters as ideals I can aspire to, not mirrors of my own faults and failings.


And really amazed to know about Mata Sumitra's behaviour! Absolutely agree with your point on 'Compassion and Patience'- you have explained it in Such a Brilliant way Dear👍🏼 Loved to read all your posts!

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Posted: 15 years ago

@ Aishwarya,

Hi Dear! I guess we have never interacted before😃😃. How are you?

Always enjoy your creations here in the CC 👍🏼. Loved the latest 'Gallery Update Banner' in Lalitha's Gallery⭐️ ⭐️!

Take care. With Love😊



@ Varsha,

Hello Dear! Really glad to have you here with us😊. Tell us more about yourself and your views about Ramayan and Shri Krishna.

Do visit the CC whenever you find time.

With Lots of Best wishes😊



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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: Debipriya

@ Arun Deeps,

Addressing you in the CC after a long time Dear Sis🤗. Loved the Tulsidas Jayanti Sig Dear! The photo of Tulsidasji and Siya-Ram are very very beautiful👏!

And Loved the Pictures from 'Sagar Website', all the photos are just Great😍!


@ Lola and Gunia,

At first, Thanks a lot for those appreciating words⭐️, but that was really a coincidence that suddenly my eyes caught that Info about Tulsidas Jayanti from the calendar. The credit goes to the Lord- Prerna /Sankalp to Wohi dete hai😊😊.

Awwwwww......my swwethaert Debi Di......😳😳all d adjectives r too small to describe d beauty of Ur heart n sweetness in Ur personality😳😍 Thanx for liking my work...😳m glad dat U liked d pics😳😃😃😃😃
Ya,....n it seems that most of d time Lord chooses U for conveying d news of any such festive ocassions to all of us😆😳 Waah...waah...kya setting hai boss👍🏼😆😆😆😆...ha..ha..bt seriously I look @ U sooooo high for not forgetting d Lord for every bit of a deed U do😍😍😍😍😍...ya surely he keeps on giving d sankalp/prerna to his beloved bhakts 😳😳thanx for updting us everytime😃
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Posted: 15 years ago

⭐️Pic Update⭐️

Hey Guys, here is a Pic Update of Ram and Lakshman looking for Sita after Sita Haran....very emotional scene,😭 and great expressions on Arun and Sunil's faces.👏
Jai Shree Ram!
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And the scene continues to where Ramji and Lakshmanji find a dying Jatayu...and how Jatayu tells them about the whereabouts of Sitaji, as well as how he fought with Ravan trying to protect her, before breathing his last...Ramji and Lakshmanji do his cremation as his sons.

Jai Shree Ram!
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And here's the final piece of the Pic Update....Sita Mata's first night at the Ashok Vatika where Ravan threatens to drag her into his Palace and she uses the Darbha grass as protection...Ravan is reminded of Nalkubera's curse and decides to leave Sitaji at the Ashok Vatika.

Jai Shree Ram!
Edited by JanakiRaghunath - 15 years ago
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Hello frns...here is one Siya-Ram siggie....😳Hope U'll like😛Feel free to use!!!😃😃😃😃😃😃😃 Plzz comment😳

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Bharat back from nainihaal (scene from the middle)

(Bharat coming to know from Keikei only, about Dashrath's death, Ram's exile and Keikei's cruel planning and plotting and very broken and crying)

Keikei: Meri taraf aise kya dekh rahe ho? Maine jo kuchh bhi kiya hai, tumhare bhale ke liye hi to kiya hai.

Bharat (Angrily): Tunhe mera bhalaa nahi kiya hai. Tune mera sarvanaash kar diya. Is kukarm se tune mujhe Raghukul ka sabse kalankit purush bana diya. Arre paapini! Kulnaashini! Isse achchha to yeh hota ki jis din mera janm hua usi din apne haathon se mera gala ghont kar mujhe maar deti. Jisse aaj mai yeh apyash ki maut to na martaa. Mere bhaagya ki vidambana to dekho. Mujhe Raghukul jaisa vansh mila. Veer paraakrami, satyanishth aur param dharmaatmaa Dashrath jaisa pita mila. Teeno lokon me vandaneey Shree Ram jaisa bhai mila. Aur tujh jaisi paapan, kulnaashini aur neech maataa ke garbh se janm diya gaya. He vidhaataa!! Isse badaa parihaas to kisi aur ke saath kya kar saktaa hai!! Ari paapan!! Param dharmaatmaa Shree Ram ko van me bhejte hue tumhari jihva ke tukde tukde kyun nahi ho gaye?!!


Keikei: Tu bhaavna ke aavesh me apne bhale ki baat nahi samajh raha hai. Murkh!! Apne bhaagya ko thukaraanaa chaahtaa hai?

Bharat: Arre mere bhaagya to usi din phoot gaye, jis din mere Shree Ram bhaiya van ko chale gaye. Wo Shree Ram bhaiya, jo tumhe apni maataa se adhik sneh karte the. Woh Kaushalya maataa, jo tumhe behen se adhik samajhti thi, unke ek laute putra ko van me bhejte hue tumhari aatmaa ne chitkaar nahi kiya? Tumhara hruday khand khand nahi ho gaya? Aisa krur vardaan maangte hue tumhare muh me kide kyun nahi pade? Tumhari jihva gal kyun nahi gayee?


Keikei: Yeh tu kaisi murkhta ki baaten kar raha hai? (Now losing courage and beginning to cry) Tu kyun nahi samajhta? Har maa ko apne putra ko bada banaane ka lobh hota hai.

Bharat: Lobh. Lobh hi to paap ki jad hai. Lobh manushya ko teri tarah andhaa kar deta hai jise paap aur punya me koi bhed dikhai nahi deta. Arre! Shree Ram se manushya to kya, pashu pakshi bhi pyaar karte hain. Lekin tu... Tu to unse bhi giri hui nikli ki jisne unhe ghar se nikaal diya. Tu naari nahi. Maanavtaa se giri koi raakshasi hai, raakshasi.


Keikei: Bharat. Maine jo kuchh bhi kiya tere liye kiya hai. Mai teri maa hun Bharat. (Crying) Teri maa hun.


Bharat: (Not allowing her to come near and touch) Nahi. Nahi. Aaj ke baad tu meri maataa nahi. Mujhe janm janmaantar tak nark me rehna swikaar hai lekin tujhe apni maataa kehna swikaar nahi.


Keikei: Bharat (Pleading)


Bharat: Yadi meri aawaaz is lok se parlok tak pohonchti ho, to pitaashree aap bhi sun len. Aaj aapke is abhaage bete Bharat ne Keikei ka tyaag kar diya hai.


Keikei: Na.


Bharat: Aur pitaashree. Aap mujhe aashirwaad den ki aapki ichchhaanusaar, Shree Ram ko van se laa kar, Ayodhya ke raaj sinhaasan par bithaa sakun. Mahaaraani Keikei. Yadi tum stri na hoti, to tumhare is dushkarm ke liye mai aaj apne in haathon se tumhare tukde tukde kar detaa.


Keikei: Bharat. (Repeating it after every next sentence of Bharat)

Bharat: Paap ki aisi jeevant murthy ko jeeveet rehne dena bhi paap hai. Parantu. Parantu aisa karne se kahin mere Ram bhaiya mera parityaag na kar den isliye vivash hun. Lekin aaj ke baad; aaj ke baad mai tumharaa yeh kalankit muh kabhi nahi dekhungaa. Kabhi nahi dekhunga.

Aur is kaksha me, jahan mera bachpan mere pitaaji ki god me beeta; is kaksha me bhi waapis kabhi nahi aaungaa.

Is kaksha me bhi waapis kabhi nahi aaungaa.

Is kaksha me bhi waapis kabhi nahi aaungaa.

(Bharat leaves the room and Keikei is down)


The scene is of innocence of pure heart of a devotee committing one of the biggest sins which can be imagined despite knowing its outcome and yet seems faultless and pure. He in fact stops also himself committing that sin beyond a certain limit only because of the fact that it could lead to his abandonment by his elder brother to whom he was devoted. A broken heart and shocked mind pouring out everything from inside.



Links for the references


http://www.valmikiramayan.net/ayodhya/sarga73/ayodhya_73_frame.htm


http://www.hindi.webdunia.com/religion/religion/hindu/ramcharitmanas/AyodyaKand/26.htm

Vinaypatika 174 also has got reference of Bharat along with other names like Vibhishan.


Jaake priya na Ram-Vaidehi;
Taajiye taahi koti vairi sam jadhyapi param sanehi.
Tajyo pita Prahallad, Vibhishan Bandhu, Bharat Mahataari;
Bali Guru tajyo, kanth Braj banitani, bhe mud mangalkaari.
Naate neh Ram ke maniyat, suhrud susebya jahan loun;
Anjan kaha aankhi jehi footai, bahu tak kahan kahan loun.
Tulasi so sab bhaanti param hit, poojya praan te pyaaro;
Jaaso hoy saneh Ram-pad, eto mataun hamaaro.




Youtube links

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHS3TEsJOEc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_bf5LiuoiU&feature=related
Edited by ShivangBuch - 15 years ago
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Hey Guys,

Here is a SiyaRam Virah Siggie I made from the Pic Updates above...hope you like and...feel free to use!😳
Different Colorization
Tarnished Version
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Double Post....sorry.😳

Edited by JanakiRaghunath - 15 years ago

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