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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: ShivangBuch



@LalithaJanaki

Thank you very much to you too respectable sister for the welcome and for the updation of first page (I knew you would have done that before starting to read your response so much as I know you from the posts of SK FC1). You have kept this forum very systematic and organized. Utilizing the technology and features to the fullest. Orkut has got this limitation that older posts can't be edited or re arranged and if any member deletes his profile then threads created by him/her and posts get deleted and others' response lack context of the reference. Also when profile names are changed, the response reference and the previous post name don't match. I don't know about IF yet in that but hurrey!!! I have successfully learned how to reply to a specific post. I just clicked by guesswork on Quote button to reply to sister lola and you and it worked at first trial. 😊 Thank you very much for going through the orkut communities so immediately. I would hope/request you and lola to send me the link of your orkut profile or add request some day whenever you feel free and appropriate to do so. As sister lola observed, I find lack of support over there in the communities in terms of participation but I continued it as I was not aware about this site. I continued it since I started it and found very user friendly. Had I come in touch with this site earlier or decided to post earlier, it would have been much greater. But better late than never. Thanks to Kushal (flashykush), the member of SK FC1 who is my common friend here and on orkut. He is a big Mahabharat fan since childhood and now a giant fan of Ramayan too. He gave me the link of this forum. And I have already posted in orkut communities of Shri Krishna and Ramayan the link of these forums a few days ago in threads named 'Pictures/wallpapers'. I hope I haven't missed any link posted over there. I also suggested my friend on orkut through the communities - sister Debipriya - to go through these forums. She initially started solo participation in SK orkut community and became my friend through BRC MB community. She also is going through currently with me the first fanclub of SK mainly to enjoy the pictures uploaded initially (Myself including written contents).

Ramanand Sagar is my childhood hero and his devotion is my inspiration. I even had presentation during my MBA on 'Ramanand Sagar - a great entrepreneur' in our subject of 'Entrepreneurship Development' in which I had one by one presented all his qualities as an entrepreneur relating them with the theory books. So it is my great great great great pleasure to find friends alike. I will try my best to find my time to read the contents and also to post whenever appropriate.


I had one comment regarding posts of yours in SK FC1 regarding special effects (technology) of BRC creation vs special effects of RS creations. Even I used to think earlier that special effects of MB are better than Ramayan or SK. But by reflecting over it, I changed my opinion. I think we sometimes mix up between special effects and costumes & set up. You yourself are the expert of technology creations none can understand better. In my opinion, special effects (Computer and camera trikcs) of Ramayan are better than MB. There are very rare occasions in MB to use them. For example, Bhishma/Ganga going inside and coming out of the river walking, Bhim lifting Nakul-Sahdev-Kunti, Hidimb-Hidimba-Ghatotkach-Hanumanji growing & shrinking (And Bhim standing beside them), Arjun arranging water from the earth for Bhishma. Special effects in all these scenes look pathetic and easily caught. Other rare incidents are Kaaliya daman, Govardhan dhaaran, Dhobi's killing in Mathura, Kans's killing, Shishupal-Jaydrath-Karna's head cut, Vishwaroop scene and Virat darshan. They are alright. In Ramayan, they had to use such effects plenty of time for Hanumanji, Indrajeet and others. Numerous uncountable occasions. And they are not always caught & good in terms of quality. Even relatively inferior effect of 'Kandhe par dou veer bitha kar' is better than 'Mata aru laghu bhraat do chale utha kar Bheem'. In Viratdarshan, Arjun seems to be sitting behind the Viratswaroop and there is empty space around virat swaroop and we can see the battlefield also. Appearance and disappearance in Ramayan is also smooth and gradual (like transition effect of slide animation) whereas in MB, Shiv appearing in front of Arjun, Arjun's chariot appearing before Uttar etc is sudden with a strong sound. Though arrows (Divyaastras) appearing in hands or on the bow are sudden in both serials. I think BRC's MB looked better on screen just because of its simplicity and costume/weapons selection.

Regarding music, I like music, dohas, choupais and songs of all the three serials. Songs of MB in BalKrishnaleela part are most classical. But if still someone asks me to compare relatively, background music, song lyrics, devotional impact, just everything in Sagar's creations is better than any other creation in the world due to unmatchable Ravindra Jain in his genuine emotions and expressive voice. Amazing synergy was there between great Dr RS and RJ. Great synchronization, great noble objective of their creations and great great great devotion for Shri Hari and even for Lord Shiv and Parvati (all forms of Gods of Hinduism and their harmonized way of viewing them and bundle of research of Dr Sagar of all the Hindu scriptures not just epics).

Looking forward to contribute soon.

Jai Shri Krishna. Jai Shri Ram.

Hello ShivangBuch,
No problem, we all are very happy to have you here. I've gone through some of your posts in Orkut and all your explanations to people's posts are really enlightening.👏 I'll go through more whenever I find time, it's definitely interesting to see what others think of Ramayan and Shri Krishna.
Thanks for your sweet compliments. Here in IF, every famous show, book, or movie has its own forum, under different categories, so that the fans of each respective thing can go to their separate forum, but our great Ramanand Sagarji does not have his own forum. I have talked with the admins of IF before and they said that forums are created only for recent shows and movies, which is kind of unfair because all these new mytho shows like NDTV Ramayan, Jai Shri Krishna, and Meera all have their own forums where polls and various threads can be created. So I initially created Fan Club 1 for Ramanand Sagar's Ramayan in the NDTV Ramayan Forum in the form of a single thread, but when we finished 150 pages (it is a rule in IF that once about 150 pages are completed, new thread must be created) and created Fan Club #2, and when we finished FC #2 as well as FC #1 of shri Krishna in JSK Forum, I decided to merge Ramayan and Shri Krishna together and create a new Chat Club in the Chat Clubs Forum. We also had some trouble in the past about Ramanand Sagar's shows not being allowed to be discussed in the New Mytho Forums, and I didn't want our FCs to be locked, so the Chat Club Forum seemed like the best place where we would never be disturbed and our CCs would be safe. Now, Lola and I are trying to convince the admins to create an everlasting forum for our old mythos, but we don't know if it will work. So until then, I try to keep these CCs as organized as possible so that it feels like a mini-forum though it's only a separate thread.😊
I'm not very frequent in Orkut. To be honest, I only logged on yesterday when you gave us those links.😳
But here's my profile...
Yeah, I agree that the quality of technology varies in Ramayan and MB. In the war episodes, MB's tech was better but in showing the naturalness of the vanvaas and the cottages, Ramayan was better. Having been directed around the same time though, I think both Ramayan and MB looked a bit alike in terms of technology.😊
I also like many of the songs in MB, especially Kripa Krishna Ki, Prem Sagai, Binati Suniye, and the RadheKrishna songs, but like you said, while MB's songs were more lively, RJ's songs were more devotional, which is why I'm often pulled towards his choupais and bhajans. My fav songs in SK are the Maharaas Leela (Jab Antaryami Ne Dekha), Soja Lalla Soja, Kaliya Naag, Na Jaane Tose, Prem Jagat Ka Saar, and basically all the RadheKrishna songs and Bal Krishna songs. I also love the Devaki Vasudev wedding songs. In Ramayan, it is soooooooo hard to list my fav, but I never ever tire of Ram Kahani, Luv Kush Ram Kathas, Sita Ram Vivah, Swayamvar, etc, etc, basically all of them.😆
Even my favorite form of the Hanuman Chalisa is the one sung by Ravindra Jain, it truly touches my soul.😍
Take Care!
-Lalitha
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Posted: 15 years ago
Congrats folks for completing 100 posts!!!🥳🥳
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Posted: 15 years ago
@Lola
Lol, you're welcome Loli! Hope you got to sleep last night.😉 I wasn't sure if Pizza and PooriChole was perhaps the best combo for an evening meal, but it sure was tasty, wasn't it?
No one really visits the "Other Shows" so I think the best place would be General Discussion, right next to HP.😉
Hmm, maybe we could call the Forum Classical Mythologicals or something so that we can limit it to any old RS or BRC or any other old director's shows. If more than 5 people send letters begging the admins for a new forum, with 'valid' reasons of why, they may actually consider it. But whatever we do, we shouldn't mention our CCs because they'll claim that since our CCs are so famous, we don't need a forum. So we should act like forum-less poor IF people.😆
Hmm, a whole show on the saints sounds like a superb idea, wish we'll be able to do something like that in the future for real, using money from your blockbuster movie and my book to fund it.😳
Radhe Shyam pics sound like a superb idea. If possible, I'll try to click pics of Luv Kush today and post them...if not, I'll try someitme next week or next weekend.
Aww, thanks so much for liking the sigs and snagging! You're too sweet!😃😳 It really comes as encouragement to post more.😃 But how do your textures fit soooo well into your pics? Do you do those layer things? How do you do that? Thanks for the advice about the texture not going into Sitaji's face, I'll def try it out.
@Sita
Thanks so much for liking the sigs Sita, you're tooooooooooo sweet!🤗 How have you been? Haven't seen you online lately.😳
@Gunia
Welcome Gunia! We missed having you.😃 Hope everything's good with your comp now. Thanks soooooooooo much for liking the sigs, you're too sweet!😳😳😳 And congrats to you too for completing 100 pages. We couldn't have done it without you and your lovely creations! Rock on Gunia!🤗
@Rajnish
Wow, thanks a lot for sharing your experience for watching Ramayan for the first time, it was really interesting!👏 It must have been great being introduced to such a great show surrounded by so many other fans.
How have you been? It's really nice hearing from you after so long.⭐️
Did you see the awards you won Rajnish? I think they were on Pg. 98.😉
@ShivangBuch
Thanks so much for liking the sig, it means a lot.😳 And thanks a bunch for posting more lyrics! I'll def add them to the Songs Gallery when I find time this afternoon.😃
@MusicalAiswarya
Hey, no probs Aish! Congrats again! And thanks for using.😉
Edited by _LalithaJanaki_ - 15 years ago
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Hey folks! 😃I'm posting a creation hope U'll like!!😛
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@ Lalitha Di! Thanx for ur concern Di! 😳😳 Great 2 have a sis like U! I missed U too!😭 Yuupp I think now d comp will not trouble!😛 Its always good 2 see ur posts!
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Originally posted by: arun-deeps

Hey folks! 😃I'm posting a creation hope U'll like!!😛


wow!! superb creation👏
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Posted: 15 years ago
Hi guys!!! It was a real delight to wake up this morning and see all of you... old members, new members, everybody... back at our CC with such fun posts! Will reply to all of them individually in a little bit, just wanted to thank you all for being here and and being awesome 🤗 It's like we're a growing family of people who discuss all the right stuff all the time! And wowwww we've already hit a hundred pgs in a couple of months!!! Rock on, people... keep this up and we'll have our own mytho/spirituality forum in no time 😆

Here's a quick pic updt before I come back from lunch, do all the replying, actually study for my adv micro exam, etc... It's RadheShyam during the song "Prem Jagat Ka Saar", and a few leftovers/cleared up versions of pics from the Maharaas updt... enjoy!!!

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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: _LalithaJanaki_

@Rajnish
Wow, thanks a lot for sharing your experience for watching Ramayan for the first time, it was really interesting!👏 It must have been great being introduced to such a great show surrounded by so many other fans.
How have you been? It's really nice hearing from you after so long.⭐️
Did you see the awards you won Rajnish? I think they were on Pg. 98.😉


Thanks di, i am fine. Actully I am currently on a project and living in new place. It took time to settle here and just got my internet connection. I always missed you all 😳.Aww!!! I won two awards😃😲,thanks you so much guys its unbelivible and i am shocked too. Nither i am worthy of best debater or for most knowledgeble there are so many of you who are better then me in both of these categories 😳 but thanks a lot for choosing me 😳 , when did this happened I missed so many things here 😒. And congrats to all other who won awards in different categories 👏.

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Guys, here is a Lakhan-Urmi sig...hope you like it! :D
Will reply to everyone soon! Thanks for the pics Loli, they're superb! Will comment further after I come online in a few hours!
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Posted: 15 years ago
@ Shivang - Hi!!! Glad you enjoyed the Swapnil vs. Sarvadaman video clips; most welcome... haha very true, poor Pramod Kapoor had to do it all over again... bechaara... but I ended up appreciating him even more in the later epis because he's like the only link leftover from RS's part of the serial 😭 Agree with all of your observations about Swapnil's confidence (esp in the chase with Kaalyavan, where RS interestingly has them speak in Urdu-ized Hindi rather than the usual shuddh language to show Kaalyavan's cultural difference) and teen Balram growning into the character gradually... Also agree about adult Balram, lol now that you mention it he does look a lot like Renuka Israni 🤣 I think the he and Sarvadaman were bogged by the gaudy makeup caked on their faces, characteristic of late '90s mythos but not RS-quality minimalism that guided his half of the serial - maybe it froze their faces in place so they couldn't give good expressions 😆

Just a question - when they repeated these episodes on Utsav, you said they went upto Dwarka Nirmaan with Swapnil - did they happen to include the bhajan which comes immediately after the clip I posted, when Swapnil-as-Krishna tells Akroor to announce the "khula nimantran" for all the Mathuravaasis to move with him? In the tape I had (but can no longer find in order to post the bhajan), they follow up with a scene that shows all the merchants discussing how they have their businesses set up here, why does Krishna want to move all of a sudden, etc and then a blind babaji - the same one who sings part of "Aayo Shubh Din Aayo Ri Sajni" in Ramayan, when Ram's Rajyabhishek is first announced before the vanvaas - goes through the streets convincing them to have faith in Krishna, everything he's doing is for their good... he sings "Chalo re chalo, Krishna premiyon, Krishna ne tumhe bulaaya...".... Do you remember if this bhajan was shown on Utsav by any chance?

and thanks for confirming the info on Urmila Bhatt... wowwww she changed from her bolly days!!! Now every time I see her in an old movie I'm gonna be like, "maa dekh, yeh Sunainaji hai!" 😆 and thanks for sharing the info on her loss and that of the other cast members... very sad indeed, but for us they'll live forever thanks to the brilliant work they did under RS 👏

Million thanks for all of the new lyrics and especially the Vaali Uddhaar dialogues, they were sooooo beautifully written and do such a great job of shutting up all those critics and skeptics! I was really really touched by those final lines of Vaali and the chaupaai and chhand that followed, they prove that it's never too late to apologize and turn a new leaf and that God is ever-merciful... I know there's a story out there that proclaims Vaali was Jara in Dwapar Yug, the hunter who became the instrument of Shri Krishna's mahaprayaan... But I'm more inclined to believe the versions that state that "Indra-putra" Vaali is code for Indra-ansh-avtaar Vaali and Surya Putra Sugreev is Surya avtaar Sugreev - and the corresponding "-putras" in Dwapar were the same... meaning that Vaali=Arjun, Sugreev=Karn, and all allegations of God being partial and picking favorites in either avtaar are therefore negated because he switched it up each time in terms of alliances... it makes even more sense when supported by this dialogue, since Vaali explicitly asks to have that "anuraag" for Ram in his subsequent births which Arjun did in fact share with Shri Krishna... hai na 😳

One more thing - any idea if any of our RS-fan friends over at orkut are musically inclined? Either here, there, or at both places, I'd like to start up some sort of index where we can categorize the magical Ravindra Jain melodies from both shows by raag and discuss/analyze their other musical characteristics. Stupid idea or maybe it'll work??

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