Ramanand Sagar's Ramayan & Shri Krishna CC#2 DONE!

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Shivang

@ShivangBuch

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Posted: 15 years ago

#781

Originally posted by: _LalithaJanaki_
@ShivangBuch

Very very welcome to india-forums and most of all, this Chat Club!🤗It is always so nice to have new members, especially fellow devoted RS fans, join everyday and share their experiences with us! It was very nice learning about your experience with Ramayan, Shri Krishna, and Mahabharat. Truly the three are the divine mytho trinity, and we look forward to having discussions with you on them frequently.😃



I can't thank you enough for the lyrics to those divine songs and more names for the actors of Ramayan and Shri Krishna, thanks a looot! I have updated Pg. 1 right now with everything you've shared with us, including the members list (which I've added you in), the Songs/Lyrics Gallery, and the Cast List.😃Thanks a lot!

I have checked out the Orkut links you posted, and you've done a magnificent job with the Orkut Communities of Ramayan, Shri Krishna, and Mahabharat. They all look really great, and the discussions and polls you have there are really interesting.👏Like Lola said, it'd be great if you tell your Orkut RS friends about IF and this CC, so that we all can meet in one place and talk about our favorite shows to our hearts' content. Ramanand Sagar's divine shows are eternal like the mythos they are about. Despite the new generations serials coming out, they shall forever remain in the hearts of their fans. 

It is so nice to know that there are fan clubs and communities dedicated to Ramanand Sagar's shows all over the Internet.⭐️

Take care and once again, welcome to this CC! If you have any questions about India Forums and its various fun features, don't hesitate to ask us! We will tell you all about everything you can enjoy in this site.😃

-Lalitha

@LalitaJanaki

Thank you very much to you too respectable sister for the welcome and for the updation of first page (I knew you would have done that before starting to read your response so much as I know you from the posts of SK FC1). You have kept this forum very systematic and organized. Utilizing the technology and features to the fullest. Orkut has got this limitation that older posts can't be edited or re arranged and if any member deletes his profile then threads created by him/her and posts get deleted and others' response lack context of the reference. Also when profile names are changed, the response reference and the previous post name don't match. I don't know about IF yet in that but hurrey!!! I have successfully learned how to reply to a specific post. I just clicked by guesswork on Quote button to reply to sister lola and you and it worked at first trial. 😊 Thank you very much for going through the orkut communities so immediately. I would hope/request you and lola to send me the link of your orkut profile or add request some day whenever you feel free and appropriate to do so. As sister lola observed, I find lack of support over there in the communities in terms of participation but I continued it as I was not aware about this site. I continued it since I started it and found very user friendly. Had I come in touch with this site earlier or decided to post earlier, it would have been much greater. But better late than never. Thanks to Kushal (flashykush), the member of SK FC1 who is my common friend here and on orkut. He is a big Mahabharat fan since childhood and now a giant fan of Ramayan too. He gave me the link of this forum. And I have already posted in orkut communities of Shri Krishna and Ramayan the link of these forums a few days ago in threads named 'Pictures/wallpapers'. I hope I haven't missed any link posted over there. I also suggested my friend on orkut through the communities - sister Debipriya - to go through these forums. She initially started solo participation in SK orkut community and became my friend through BRC MB community. She also is going through currently with me the first fanclub of SK mainly to enjoy the pictures uploaded initially (Myself including written contents).

Ramanand Sagar is my childhood hero and his devotion is my inspiration. I even had presentation during my MBA on 'Ramanand Sagar - a great entrepreneur' in our subject of 'Entrepreneurship Development' in which I had one by one presented all his qualities as an entrepreneur relating them with the theory books. So it is my great great great great pleasure to find friends alike. I will try my best to find my time to read the contents and also to post whenever appropriate.

I had one comment regarding posts of yours in SK FC1 regarding special effects (technology) of BRC creation vs special effects of RS creations. Even I used to think earlier that special effects of MB are better than Ramayan or SK. But by reflecting over it, I changed my opinion. I think we sometimes mix up between special effects and costumes & set up. You yourself are the expert of technology creations none can understand better. In my opinion, special effects (Computer and camera trikcs) of Ramayan are better than MB. There are very rare occasions in MB to use them. For example, Bhishma/Ganga going inside and coming out of the river walking, Bhim lifting Nakul-Sahdev-Kunti, Hidimb-Hidimba-Ghatotkach-Hanumanji growing & shrinking (And Bhim standing beside them), Arjun arranging water from the earth for Bhishma. Special effects in all these scenes look pathetic and easily caught. Other rare incidents are Kaaliya daman, Govardhan dhaaran, Dhobi's killing in Mathura, Kans's killing, Shishupal-Jaydrath-Karna's head cut, Vishwaroop scene and Virat darshan. They are alright. In Ramayan, they had to use such effects plenty of time for Hanumanji, Indrajeet and others. Numerous uncountable occasions. And they are not always caught & good in terms of quality. Even relatively inferior effect of 'Kandhe par dou veer bitha kar' is better than 'Mata aru laghu bhraat do chale utha kar Bheem'. In Viratdarshan, Arjun seems to be sitting behind the Viratswaroop and there is empty space around virat swaroop and we can see the battlefield also. Appearance and disappearance in Ramayan is also smooth and gradual (like transition effect of slide animation) whereas in MB, Shiv appearing in front of Arjun, Arjun's chariot appearing before Uttar etc is sudden with a strong sound. Though arrows (Divyaastras) appearing in hands or on the bow are sudden in both serials. I think BRC's MB looked better on screen just because of its simplicity and costume/weapons selection.

Regarding music, I like music, dohas, choupais and songs of all the three serials. Songs of MB in BalKrishnaleela part are most classical. But if still someone asks me to compare relatively, background music, song lyrics, devotional impact, just everything in Sagar's creations is better than any other creation in the world due to unmatchable Ravindra Jain in his genuine emotions and expressive voice. Amazing synergy was there between great Dr RS and RJ. Great synchronization, great noble objective of their creations and great great great devotion for Shri Hari and even for Lord Shiv and Parvati (all forms of Gods of Hinduism and their harmonized way of viewing them and bundle of research of Dr Sagar of all the Hindu scriptures not just epics).

Looking forward to contribute soon.

Jai Shri Krishna. Jai Shri Ram.

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Shivang

@ShivangBuch

Voyager

Posted: 15 years ago

#782

Originally posted by: _LalithaJanaki_
Here's another sig before I go to sleep guys. :)
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Awesome.

So Ram vaam vibhaag raajati ruchir ati shobha bhali;
Nav neel neeraj nikat maanahu kanak pankaj ki kali,
Nav neel neeraj nikat maanahu kanak pankaj ki kali.

Good night to you sister. It is 11 30 am here in Ahmedabad India. Good bye to both of you for the time being as I will also go for lunch and then get back to my work.

Jai Shri Krishna. Jai Shri Ram.

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MagadhSundari

@MagadhSundari

Sparkler

+ 4

Posted: 15 years ago

#783

Originally posted by: ShivangBuch

@lola

Thank you very much respectable sister for your lovely welcome. I would love to be part of this fanclub forever and contribute more and more. Do feel free to copy or to ask me to copy any contents of my posts on orkut to post the missing songs over here or dialogs or whatever so that there is no duplication of typing of work already done by someone on orkut which is just required to be transferred over here and this wonderful place on internet is quickly supplemented for its missing parts. And I also thank for the appreciation of my effort in orkut communities. But same words are applicable to you people here. In fact, I am not able to find the words at all how to thank you or praise you. You were so fast in reading my posts on orkut in just 1 day. On the other hand, I am very slow in catching up you guys. I would first wish to read everything you have posted. But it seems that parallel reading of ongoing forum will also be required or else I might not be able to catch up you people ever the kind of speed with which contents are moving on all your fanclubs. 👏 👏 👏

And so far as your post is concerned, I myself type very lengthy posts, so no question of feeling bored. 😃 😃 It is always great to meet one of own kind to share likes and emotions as you people have been saying rightly to all new members. And same was my hope about the response over here. Only thing is that I was not sure about how quickly I would be able to learn features over here and successfully post. But it seems that I am learning ok. I have learned how to show LIKING for somebody's post.😊 If I start doing that from the beginning, I think in all the previous FCs and CCs which I am tracking right now daily, all the posts would be responded by me to have been liked.😉

I saw the link of youtube videos posted by you in the earlier posts of SK FC - The videos of Swapnil and Sarvadaman for the same event/story. But somehow I couldn't see those videos.😭 😕 Perhaps because I am just a guest and not registered member of youtube. I have account on facebook too but just have found orkut userfriendly so far and haven't even switched over to new version of orkut. Even though I am a quick self learner once my mind is set in new thing, I am very slow in setting up my mind first in new things. But in this case, I will have to do it at any cost. 😊

I will try my best from my busy schedule to catch up with you people, or even if in near future I can't in terms of sharing the information which already might have been covered (Like for example, I was knowing about the name of adult Radha to be Anuradha Singh but it was written as Reshma Modi. I wished to post about my information immediately but then later reading more pages, came to know from here itself - SK FC1 - that it was her screen name. 😃 Good that I didn't jump to participating before going further in the forum), surely for the missing lyrics and answering your specific questions addressed to me. As I said already, so far as posting for appreciation of yours, Lalita sister and others' work is concerned, I will have to start a chanting post.

Let me know if there is any maximum limit of characters in one post. If not then I will be able to post all the dialogs of the same scene collectively in one post copying them from orkut. I will come up with more such technical queries to be asked to you and Lalita sister asking them within the contents of my post itself.

Jay SiyaRam. Jay RadheShyam.

Once again you're most welcome bhaiya!!! Your participation is appreciated and looked forward to!!! It would be great if you could copy the dialogues etc over from orkut, lekin dheere se so we can discuss them nicely before the next one comes up 😉

as far as catching up on orkut, when it comes to anything Ramanand Sagar mytho related I gobble it up like a true addict, I couldn't help myself 😆 And yes, even we'd appreciate your participation here even as you catch up on the older FCs, we love the company 😆

Aur thanks ki koi zaroorat nahin yaar, thank karne layak sirf Ramanand Sagarji aur Ravindra Jain saab hain jinki vaja se hum jaison ko bhi kabhi kabhi achhe vichaar aate hai 😃

And glad to know that you are also prone to typing up long posts, I feel better about mine now 😆 And no worries, IF is quite simple to master as the features quite clearly say what they will do - for example, the "like" button and "quote" button which you already seem to have figured out 😉 Speaking of which, thanks for all the sweet compliments about liking all posts and all... haha "chanting post"... so funny yaar 😆

I don't think there's a character limit on posts or else I would've been expelled ages ago, so go ahead and bring us the dialogues 😆 If you have any other questions, feel free!! We're here all the time!

As for the Swapnil vs. Sarvadaman videos, youtube membership isn't required but maybe the links are just old and they've given me new ones... let me instead embed the vids into this post since Lalitha taught me how to do that a while ago, here they are... just click into the middle of the vid where you see a play button and enjoy! Sorry for the quality, the old ones are ancient Doordarshan tapings... hope you like and continue to have fun at the FCs!!!

Varnaavat fire episode with Swapnil:
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv0OY6U970M[/YOUTUBE]

Same scene with Sarvadaman:
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5gY2q5qbqs&feature=related[/YOUTUBE]

Dwarka Nirmaan decision by Swapnil:
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9_aMUrTUfQ[/YOUTUBE]

And now, with Sarvadaman:
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwAUf_0TpqA[/YOUTUBE]

Edited by lola610 - 15 years ago

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MagadhSundari

@MagadhSundari

Sparkler

+ 4

Posted: 15 years ago

#784

Originally posted by: _LalithaJanaki_
Here's another sig before I go to sleep guys. :)

This one turned out mindblowingly gorgeous Lali... the texture is a perfect match, and way to use the Uddhav quotes on SiyaRam... genius 👏 It's a definite must-snag, I've gotta get to that slideshow tomorrow!!! Rock on honeybunch 👏

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Shivang

@ShivangBuch

Voyager

Posted: 15 years ago

#785

Originally posted by: lola610

Once again you're most welcome bhaiya!!! Your participation is appreciated and looked forward to!!! It would be great if you could copy the dialogues etc over from orkut, lekin dheere se so we can discuss them nicely before the next one comes up 😉

as far as catching up on orkut, when it comes to anything Ramanand Sagar mytho related I gobble it up like a true addict, I couldn't help myself 😆 And yes, even we'd appreciate your participation here even as you catch up on the older FCs, we love the company 😆

Aur thanks ki koi zaroorat nahin yaar, thank karne layak sirf Ramanand Sagarji aur Ravindra Jain saab hain jinki vaja se hum jaison ko bhi kabhi kabhi achhe vichaar aate hai 😃

And glad to know that you are also prone to typing up long posts, I feel better about mine now 😆 And no worries, IF is quite simple to master as the features quite clearly say what they will do - for example, the "like" button and "quote" button which you already seem to have figured out 😉 Speaking of which, thanks for all the sweet compliments about liking all posts and all... haha "chanting post"... so funny yaar 😆

I don't think there's a character limit on posts or else I would've been expelled ages ago, so go ahead and bring us the dialogues 😆 If you have any other questions, feel free!! We're here all the time!

As for the Swapnil vs. Sarvadaman videos, youtube membership isn't required but maybe the links are just old and they've given me new ones... let me instead embed the vids into this post since Lalitha taught me how to do that a while ago, here they are... just click into the middle of the vid where you see a play button and enjoy! Sorry for the quality, the old ones are ancient Doordarshan tapings... hope you like and continue to have fun at the FCs!!!

Varnaavat fire episode with Swapnil:
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv0OY6U970M[/YOUTUBE]

Same scene with Sarvadaman:
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5gY2q5qbqs&feature=related[/YOUTUBE]

Dwarka Nirmaan decision by Swapnil:
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9_aMUrTUfQ[/YOUTUBE]

And now, with Sarvadaman:
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwAUf_0TpqA[/YOUTUBE]

You have now created real free and light atmosphere of chat for the new member. And yes. This site is not as difficult to be used as it looks prima facie. I will now continue participating in this forum regularly. At least now I have the contents to post immediately. I will start posting from orkut all the song lyrics posted by me which are still pending over here (Later, they can be modified by editing them with English translation as well like you have brilliantly done in 'Shyam tere kaam bade acharaj bhare') and with Ramayan and Mahabharat dialogs posted by me on orkut (For Mahabharat, I will choose the Ramayan-BRC Mahabharat CC ongoing). I will post the dialogs along with my analysis one by one after some time interval. That will also allow me to go through older posts and also the present participation of mine will not have any chance of duplication of information already discussed earlier by you all.

I could see those videos posted by you now here and they were really very interesting. I found them to be interesting even when I couldn't see them earlier just from your description in SK FC1. Poor Pramod Kapoor had to repeat it all over again. 😆 On Star Utsav last year, they continued the serial upto Dwarika nirmaan episode and in all the episodes until then, there was Swapnil only. And how excellent he looks. He shines in particular in his ultimate matured appearance in the serial just before Dwarika nirmaan when he appears before "Muchkund - Sahasaa chaaron ore hua". Sarvadaman Benarjee is excellent Krishna in Golok in all the scenes upto Kans vadh under Ramanand Sagar. Perfect selection of actor after the popularity and mind set of people about perfection and excellence of great performance of Nitish Bhardwaj. But S D Benarjee lost his charm and beauty for the viewers in portraying PARAAKRAM PURUSH Krishna and PRAAGNYA PURUSH Krishna I think. He was excellent though as PREM PURUSH Krishna as I mentioned under the guidance of Dr Ramanand Sagar and also suitable for that personality dimension of Krishna too (Nitish Bhardwaj had little scope to show love and emotions in Pandava story). And teen age Balram also looked very good in all scenes in Mathura after his pathetic beginning in his initial appearance in Gokul when during the night before leaving Gokul, Akrur and Rohini try to explain him to leave to a safer place without Krishna. "Aapne ye soch bhi kaise liya Akrurji ki mai Kaanhaa ke bagair kahin jaaungaa." His body language and face expressions were so pathetic and artificial. But then after he looked very decent in every scene as if become matured. The adult Balram then doesn't suit well in eyes easily. Is he anyway related with Sarvadaman or Renuka Israni? 😃

And P.S. Urmila Bhatt (Sunayna) in Ramayan is the same actress as that of Geet gaataa chal movie. You have rightly caught. Sadly, she is no more with us and AFAIK she was murdered. Nalin Dave (Kumbhkarn) and Sanjay Jog (Bharat) are also no more with us. Former the natural death may be and latter due to accident AFAIK. Our friend Kushal also told me that Virendra Razdan (Vidur) is also not with us. Urmila Bhatt and Nalin Dave both were Gujarati actors.

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Shivang

@ShivangBuch

Voyager

Posted: 15 years ago

#786

I will keep a watch over song list on the first page. And I will then start posting the pending songs. In case of the songs present at both places already (orkut and over here), please do correct the mistakes of any of us in hearing or typing the lyrics if any.

Almost all the songs of Ramayan upto Ram's Rajyabhishek are posted on orkut.

In Shri Krishna serial community on orkut, following songs lyrics have already been posted:
(01) Tu dheeraj mat haar tere ghar
(02) Taaranhaar sun le pukaar
(03) Garbh stuti (He Nath Narayan Vaasudeva)
(04) Hari ko maat sikhaave chalanaa
(05) Haath me maakhan
(06) Daau ke sang daudan laage
(07) Ke aane se jiske hua hai alaukik ujaalaa
(08) Shesh ki sej pe soi ke jo prabhu
(09) Yug yug ke saathi hain dono
(10) Namami Radhe Namami Krishnam
(11) Heere moti daan me de
(12) Prem ke panth pe rakkhen jo paanv
(13) He Padmanaabh
(14) Jaago maiyaa ke pyaare
(15) Dekho Kaaliya ke phan par
(16) Shyam tere kaam bade acharaj bhare
(17) Manmohan lalaa Manbhaavani lali (In continuation of 16)
(18) Naa jaane tose kaun yugon ka naataa (In continuation of 17)
(19) Prem jagat ka saar
(20) Jay Shailsute
(21) Devi ne to kar diya nirdhaarit kuchh kaal
(22) Mahaaraas song (In continuation of 21)
(23) He Parmeshwar vida
(24) Shri Krishna tumhi (Akrur in Yamuna)
(25) Kaandhe liye gajdant sabhaa me
(26) Diyaa naath ne dusht ko karni ka parinaam
P.S.(27) Shiv in Gokul in disguise (Missed out so not in order - now I am not retyping all the numbers)
I will start posting with Shri Krishna song lyrics and that too first that song which has not been posted even on orkut so far. Then in the next post, I will copy my posts of Ramayan dialogs in the same order with my most favourite scene first along with my comments/analysis.

Edited by ShivangBuch - 15 years ago

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Shivang

@ShivangBuch

Voyager

Posted: 15 years ago

#787

(Just before naming Krishna, Garg seeing his child form for the first time)

Baal roop dekhen jo Kanhaai,
Munivar ne sudh budh bisaraai;
Harash apaar hriday na samaaye,
Nayanan me aansoo bhar aaye.

Antar gati jo bhayee lakhi swaami,
So jaanat bas antaryaami;

Kaise abhinandan karen?
Muni kachhu samajh na paaye;
Dekhi dasaa nij bhakt ki,
Prabhu mann me musakaaye;
Prabhu mann me musakaaye.

(After completing Naming ritual)

Shakti kahan jo mai kahun, tumharo sujas apaar;
Tadapi kripa mo pe kari, tum Prabhu param udaar;
Tum Prabhu param udaar.

Shaarad sugun gaavat na paavat, paar Shambhu Uma Rama;
Dhyaave Ganesh, Suresh, Shesh, Trilok det parikramaa.

Nahi shakti nahi saamarthya, mai matiheen he Purushottama;
Nij sharan lije, bhakti dije, dosh truti kije kshama;
Dosh truti kije kshama.

(Stuti by Narad after Naming ritual)

Tha ab tak Vaikunth me, mangalmay jo naam;
Prithivi par laaye use, munivar tumhe pranaam;
Rishivar tumhe pranaam.

Garg Bhagirath ban kar tum aaye,
Krishna naam ki Ganga laaye,
Krishna naam ki Ganga laaye.

Krishna Krishna Krishna, Krishna Krishna Krishna;
Krishna Krishna Krishna, Krishna Krishna Krishna.

Ho o o
Bhumi par, gagan par, vishwa me nirantar;
Gunjataa rahega Krishna naam.

Krishna Krishna Krishna, Krishna Krishna Krishna;
Krishna Krishna Krishna, Krishna Krishna Krishna.

Chahe pralay aaye, duniya mit bhi jaaye;
Mit nahi sakegaa Krishna naam.

Krishna Krishna Krishna, Krishna Krishna Krishna;
Krishna Krishna Krishna, Krishna Krishna Krishna.

Krishnaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Krishnaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

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Shivang

@ShivangBuch

Voyager

Posted: 15 years ago

#788

I start with my the most favourite scene of Ramayan

Vaali: Chhal. Chhal. Mai haaraa nahi. Mai chhal se maaraa gaya hun. Tune chhal kiya hai mere saath. Tu kulaangaar Sugreev. Bhiru. Kaayar. Nirlaj. Kya tu samajhta hai teri vijay hui hai? Paraadheen ho kar, paraaye shastra se tune mere upar prahaar kiya hai. Tu vijeta banta hai? Are paamar. Tune apni jaati ke saath vishwaasghaat kiya hai. Kuldroh kiya hai. Deshdroh kiya hai. Dhikkar hai tujh par.

(Ram, Lakshman & Hanuman arrive)

Aa gaye? To tumhi woh Ram ho. Hummm? Aaryakul shiromani Shri Ram! Dashrathnandan, Raghukulbhooshan!! Ha ha ha. Jiski kirti ka pataakaa, pure aaryaavart me phaila rahaa hai, tum wahi Ram ho?

Lakshman: Tumne thik pehechana kapivar. Yahi Maryada Purushottam Shri Ram hai.

Vaali: Pratham darshan ke uplaksh me Kishkindha pati Baali ka namaskaar swikaar karoge? (Sarcastic)

(Ram joins hands)

He dharmdhwajadhaari! Maryaada Purushottam Shri Ram! Mujhe keval itna bataa do. Kaun si maryaadaa ka tumne paalan kiya hai Ram? Aad se chhipkar tumne mere upar prahaar kiya hai. Is prakaar vaar karna veeron ka kaam nahi hai. Yeh to vyaadh ka kaam hai Ram. Is dushkarm se, kya apni veerta par kalank nahi lagaayaa hai Ram? Ram bolo..... Ram bolo....(Shouting) Uttar do Ram..... Uttar do.....

Yeh teer nikal jaay to mai teri.. teri.. teri jaan le lun mai. (lots of pain)

Ram: Hanuman, inka baan nikaal do. Inki peeda kam ho jaayegi.

(Hanuman obeys the order and Vaali somewhat relieved from pain)

Vaali: Badi dayaa dikha rahe ho Shri Ram. Ek baat ka uttar to do. Ladaai to hum do bhaaion me thi. Aise samay me chhup kar mera vadh karna, yahi aadarsh hai aap aaryon ka? Mujhe maar kar apne purushon ki sabha me ninda ka paatr nahi banoge? Mera aapka to koi bair nahi tha Ram. Phir kis kaaran yeh Sugreev itna pyaara ho gaya aur mai aapka shatru ho gaya???!!!

Dharmhetu avatareu gunsaai, maarehu mohi vyaadh ki naai;
Mai bairi, Sugreev piyaaraa, avagun kavan naath mohi maaraa, kaaran kavan naath mohi maaraa?

Ram, mai kyun aapka shatru ho gaya?

Ram: Mitr ka shatru, shatru hota hai. Sugreev hamaaraa mitr hai. Tumne uske prati jo anyaay kiya hai, tatha tumhare paapon ka dand dene ke liye, ham tumhara vadh karne ki pratigyaa le chuke hain. Raghuvanshi jab kisiko vachan dete hain, to praan jaane par bhi us vachan ko pura karte hain. Apne vachan ka paalan karnaa, unke liye sabse badaa dharm hai. Tatha uske liye unhe ninda ka paatr banna bhi swikaar hai.

Vaali: Raaaam. Sugreev se mitrata karne me, Ravan dwaara haran ki gayi apni stri ke uddhaar ka tumhaara swaarth nahi chhipa hai? Kintu yeh praano ke bhay se pahaadon ki kho me mu chhupaae pada rehenevala yeh kaayar, kya tumhari sahaayata karega bolo? Iske liye tum, Kishkindhapati, Baali ke paas aate, to dekhte, mai ab tak us duraatma ko baandh kar tumhaare charno me daal chuka hota. Sita ko usne saagar ki atal geheraaion me, aakaash me, ya paataal me, kahin par bhi chhupa rakkha ho; mai Sita maata ko tumhare hawaale kar deta. Jis prakaar,,,,,,,, krurta purvak tumne, Baali ka vadh kiya hai,, us, aniti ko, tum itihaas ki drishti me kabhi nyaayochit nahi thehera sakoge. Jo janam leta hai, woh avashya martaa hai. Isliye, mujhe marne ka shok nahi hai. Mere baad, Sugreev ko, raajya milega; woh bhi anuchit nahi hai. Anuchit itna hi hai ki tumne mujhe rannbhoomi me, mere saath veeron ki bhaanti yuddh karte hue mujhe nahi maara. Mujhe adharm poorvak maara hai tumne. Tumne meri nirapraadh hatyaa ki hai. Tumhare is paap ka praayashchitt, kabhi nahi hoga. (Shouting) Ram, kabhi nahi hoga.

Ram: Vaanarraaj,,,, aaj maranonmukh avastha me pohunch kar, tum jis dharm, satkarm, aur niti ki duhaai de rahe ho; apne jeevan kaal me, usi dharm, satkarm, nyaay aur niti ka vichaar, tumne sapne me bhi nahi kiya. Dharm, arth, kaam aur laukik sadaachaar tum swayam hi nahi jaante. Aachaaron dwaara dharm ke swaroop ko thik thik jaane bina hi, aaj tum mujhe dharm ka updesh dena chaahte ho? Meri ninda karte samay tum mujhe ek abodh baalak ke samaan dikhaai dete ho. 😊 Tum swayam chapal ho. Aur chanchal chittvale ajeetaatma vaanar tumhare mantri hain. Jis tarah ek andha dusre andhe ko raastaa dikhae; waise hi tumhare chapal mantri tumhe paraamarsh dete hain. Phir tum dharm ka vichaar kaise kar sakte ho? Dharm ke sookshm swaroop ko kaise samajh sakte ho? Dharm ki baat to door rahi, apne aparimit bal ke mad me choor ho kar, tumne to saamaanya laukik aachaar vyavahaar ka vichaar bhi kabhi nahi kiya. Bada bhai, pita tatha Guru; teeno ek samaan pujneey maane gaye hain. Usi prakaar, chhota bhai, putra tatha shishya, teeno ek samaan maane gaye hain. Putr ki vadhu, anuj ki bhaaryaa tatha bhagini ke saath apni kanyaa ke samaan pavitra sambandh rakhna paarivaarik, saamaajik tatha naitik dharm hai. Parantu tumne kabhi kisi maryaadaa ka koi paalan nahi kiya. Apne chhote bhai Sugreev ke saath anyaay karke, bina kisi dosh ke use nishkaasit kar diya. Aur jeeteji uski patni Ruma ko adharm aur aniti se apne aadhin rakha. Aise purush (Note that he is treated as monkey man and not just monkey) ka vadh karna hi uske liye upyukt dand maanaa gaya hai.

Anujvadhu bhagini sutnaari, sunu shath kanyaa sam ehi chaari;
Inahi kudrishti bilokai joi, taahe vadhe kachhu paap na hoi, taahe vadhe kachhu paap na hoi.

Vaali: Yadi yeh mera paap bhi tha, to dand dene ka adhikaar keval raaja ko hota hai. Tumhe kya adhikaar tha, nyaay ka bhaar apne haat me lene ka?

Ram: Ahankaari vaanar. Tumhe yeh vidit hona chaahie ke parvaton, van aur kaananon se bani prithvi ham Ikshuvaku vansh ke raajaaon ki hai. Is samay Ikshuvaku vansh ke raaja Bharat hai (What a great modesty - actually he had given his kingdom only as deposit for 14 years just as his technical ownership still virtually Ram only was the king). Unhi ki aagyaa ka paalan karnevala, aur pavitr Ikshuwaaku vansh ka vanshdhar hone ke naate; yahan ke pashu, pakshi, nar, vaanar; sabke prati dayaa ka bhaav rakhne, athvaa unhe dand dene ka adhikaar mujhe praapt hai.

Dharmaatma raaja Bharat is prithvi ka paalan karte hain. Unke rehete koi bhi praani dharm ke viruddh aacharan nahi kar saktaa. Atah ham sab, unhi ki aagyaa se shreshth dharm me sthir reh kar, tum jaise dharmbhrasht purushon ko vidhivat dand dete hain. Vaali. Satpurushon ka dharm ati sookshm hota hai. Use samajhna bahut kathin hota hai. Itna samajh lo, ki yadi raaja, paapi ko dand de, to paapi us dand ko bhog kar nishpaap ho jaata hai. Parantu yadi raaja, paapi ko uchit dand na de; to us dand ka phal, raaja ko swayam bhugatna padta hai. Manusmriti me, Manu mahaaraaj ne bhi yahi kaha hai.

Raajbhihi krit dandaastu, kritva paapaani maanavaaha;
Nirmalaaswargamaayaanti, santah sukrutinopatha.
Shaasanad vapi mokshaad va, istenah paapaad pramuchyate;
Raajaatu shaasan paapasya, tadvaapanoti kilbisham.

He vaanarraj, tumne jo paap kiya hai, uske anusaar, tumhara vadh, sarvatha dharm ke anusaar uchit maana jaayega.

Vaali: (Joining both hands and tears in eyes) He divya swaroop narottam! Dushtaattam aur ahankar ke pat meri aankhon ke aage se hat gaye. Meri aatma ke antahchakshu khul rahe hain. Maano aatma ne paramaatmaa ko pehechaan liya hai. Aapke amogh baan ki peeda ke pramaad me, agyaan ke aavesh me mere, mukh se aapke prati anuchit vaakya nikal gaye hain. Uske liye kshama karen Prabhu. Aap to paramaarth tatva ke yathaarth gyaata hai; aur mai dharmbhrasht praanion me, agraganya hun. He Kripasindhu! Mera ant mujhe achet kar denevala hai. Usse pahele apni charanraj de kar, mujhe praayaashchitt kar lene dijiye Prabhu.

(Ram sits near and takes his hands in his hands)

Prabhu.

Ram: He vaanarraaj. Praayashchitt to tumhara dand paane se hi ho gaya. Manu ne kaha hai ki Raaja se dand paa kar,manushya phir se paaphin aur pavitra ho jaata hai. So he raajan, tum ab nishpaap ho. Isliye adheer na ho. Apne mann se mrityu ka bhay santaap nikaal do. Ham sab tumhari deerghaayu ki mangalkaamna ke saath, tumhari seva aur uchit upchaar karke, tumhare praano ki raksha karenge.

Vaali: Prabhu. Ab raksha kisliye? Jeevan to baar baar mil jaayega. Parantu, phir in haathon se maran paa kar, moksha to nahi milega. He Ram. Aisi mrityu phir nahi milegi. Prabhu. Phir nahi milegi.

(I hereby write the choupaai sung here in the serial in bold and along with that will write line by line meaning with as much accuracy as possible.)

Janam janam muni jatanu karaahi, ant Ram kahi aavat naahi

Vali says to Ram "Saints toil hard birth after birth, still they don't die saying the word 'Ram'"

Jasu naam bal Sankar Kaasi det sabahi sam gati avinaashi

"With the power of that name, lord Shiv gives moksh - avinashi gati - to people dieing in Kaashi city"

Mam lochan gochar soi aava

"He himself has come in front of my eyes"

Bahuri ki Prabhu as banihi banaava (2)

"Is it possible that such fortune, God would give often - bahuri - baar baar?"

Ab naath kari karuna bilokahu, deu jou var maangau

"Now lord, looking at you with kind request, give me the boon which I ask"

Jehi joni janamo karm bas, tahan Ram pad anuraagau

"Whichever yoni I take birth next as per my Karmphal, I love lotus feet of Ram (yours)"

And greatness of the scene is its climax along with this choupaai and music and performance of Shyaam Sundar Kaalaani as Vaali is mind blowing. If short length characters and long length characters are compared parallel, then I may even perhaps put him ahead of acting of Hanuman, Lakshman, Ram, Ravan and Meghnad. Also his own acting as Vaali is far superior than his acting as Sugreev also along with dubbing voice chosen for Vaali. This scene covers everything. Logical arguments also and devotion also. It is the great defense about Lord Ram's act of killing Vaali through answering of his questions only as if if critics of Shri Ram are questioning and Dr Sagar is answering. And this climax justifies Geeta's verses - Api chedasi paapebhyah sarvebhyah paapkrutaamah; sarv gnyaanaplavenaiva vrujinam santarishyasi - Api chetsu duraachaaro bhajate maam ananyabhaak, saadhureva sa mantavya, samyak vyavasito hi sah.

Epic links for the reference

http://www.valmikiramayan.net/kishkindha/sarga17/kishkindha_17_frame.htm
http://www.valmikiramayan.net/kishkindha/sarga18/kishkindha_18_frame.htm

http://hindi.webdunia.com/religion/religion/hindu/ramcharitmanas/KishkindhaKand/5.htm

Youtube links
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HfXKNvTg5A (from 08:45)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4DcFf2VC94
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uQvNjKPl4g

Edited by ShivangBuch - 15 years ago

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Shiv in Gokul in disguise

Ek jogi aayo ri tere dwaar,
Dikha de mukh laal ka,
Tere palane me paalanhaar,
Dikha de mukh laal ka,
O maiyaa, dikha de mukh laal ka.

Liye akhiyon me pyaas,
Jogi hai re Haridaas / Jogi tere ari daas(?),
Badi door se aayo leke daras ki aas;
Maai aiso sanjog na taal,
Dikha de mukh laal ka;
Tere bhare rahenge bhandaar,
Dikha de mukh laal ka,
Ari maiyaa, dikha de mukh laal ka.

(The old lady comes and then calls Yashoda outside and then dialog and debate with Yashoda and then Yashoda brings Krishna outside but doesn't allow JOGI touch the baby)

(Shiv through his subtlest form and yogic power touches the lotus feet of baalroop without the knowledge of Yashoda)

Aadhyastam Omkaar, akaar roopam,
Paraatparam satyaparam trisatyam,
Yogishwaro va Jagadishwaro va,
Tvam Krishnaroopam, manasaa smaraami.

(Shiv sings through his gross body of JOGI BABA again)

Mere nainaa bhaye hain nihaal,
Nirakh mukh laal ka;
Pyase nainaa bhaye hain nihaal
Nirakh mukh laal ka,
Ari maiyaa, nirakh mukh laal ka

(Yashoda offering gems before he starts leaving)

Rakh le heere moti tere,
Yeh patthar kis kaam ke mere;
Jogi ho gayaa maalaamaal,
Nirakh mukh laal ka;
Mai to ho gayaa maalaamaal,
Nirakh mukh laal ka;
Ho maiyaa, nirak mukh laal ka.