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Posted: 8 years ago
#51
Thanks a lot, my dear Shreya.

I would have liked to respond in kind, as I always do, and appreciate all your comments, but I am afraid your take on Nandini and your equation of her with Chandra has put me off so badly that I am not feeling like it, at least not right now. How you could do that beats me, it really does.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: sp108

Dear Aunty,
I loved your post, especially the title. My comments in red.

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Posted: 8 years ago
#52
Claps for you
Completely agree with you
I am also not able to understand this double standard nandini
Ya she is lead but leads can be questioned when they r wrong
If she would have behaved this way even after knowing her pitamaharaj truth then I would have praised her
But one side she only give big bhasans on right and wrong and other side for her pitamaharaj where it goes
My question was same in ja days also why Jodha never asked her father of being unfair to her and sujamal but gave big lectures to jalal but never questioned anything from her father
In ja they disappointed totally
Hope in this they don't disappoint with Nandini
I have no problem with actress and she will gradually become OK it take time to settle in character
Everyone is not rajat
But her character and her own Principle contradict her
There is a direction for a character but nothing is clear for her character
And that scene with mura completely destroyed her
If they will not show nandini and avantika especially bowed down or tortured I will quite
Because then I can see where it will go
I still have hopes
Let's hopee for the best
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Posted: 8 years ago
#53
It was Raakhee. Jaya Bachchan could not have managed that role.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Autumn_Rose


@Prem, yes it's not at all practical but think about it. . Nand has kept Murat alive for so long . And she has been rubbing it in his face that her son will come. He has imprisoned her but yet she humiliates him, because he wanted her but could not have her. He could have taken her forcibly but wanted her acceptance. She affects him in some way . So it's something at a deeper level. Maybe he just wants to kill Chandra and then torment her . Why he has kept his foster parents alive is a mystery though 😆

What is surprising about that? He wanted to find out from them where Chandra was, and he could do that only when they were alive.

It is another matter that he already knew where Chandra was, seeing that he had a missive about the war delivered to Chandra there!😆

After the preparations for the war began, he must have forgotten all about them, and no wonder.


Her my son will come rants make her sound like Jaya bachan in Karan Arun. Thank God it wasn't like waiting for someone's punah janam because it's a historical Punar janam.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

My dear Sandhya and Shreya,

I find your great understanding of Nandini's motives and actions towards Mura very interesting. I think you both have a soft corner for this wretched girl, otherwise I f would slot this equation that you both are trotting out between what Chandra did and what Nandini did as incomprehensible and intolerable. I would be obliged if you do not advance it again, at least not on my threads.

Shreya actually says that the way he behaved in Nandini's room was not decorous Not decorous!?! She is for him the very symbol of evil, the evil that ruined his life, murdered his father and enslaved his mother. What do you think he should have done, taken her a bouquet of red roses? Any other man would have killed her then and there and left her body for Nand to find. Which is what Vaishali tries to do, and I could understand that completely.

I detest this Nandini now, and nothing bad that happens to her would be too bad for me. Unfortunately, we are going to have to suffer her for the rest of the serial.

Shyamala Aunty


And he for her is the cause of every worry, every angst her family is currently facing, the reason why her father needs Malayaketu, the reason why she is having to agree to marry a reprehensible person, the reason for every turmoil in her otherwise pampered and peaceful life.

That Chandra's anger is justified as it is based on truth and her outlook is based on her father's untruth and hence invalid, is not her fault na. We will see her reactions when she realises the truth.

No soft corner for the character or the actress . 😆 Both are mediocre. Just a teeny weeny relief that she is not a mahaan. She has her prejudices, faults, foolishness and has a lot to learn. She cannot become a Moral Science teacher any time soon.

Certainly no Mandali. Eeeks! She only has to deliver her first Bhaashan and i'll be off totally.
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Posted: 8 years ago
#55
She is already insufferable , and bids fair to plunge even further. And equating her with
Chandra is something that I cannot stand.

If this what your teeny weeny relief leads to by way of exculpatory statements, pretty soon you will be erecting a statue in her honour!

Shyamala Aunty


Originally posted by: Sandhya.A


And he for her is the cause of every worry, every angst her family is currently facing, the reason why her father needs Malayaketu, the reason why she is having to agree to marry a reprehensible person, the reason for every turmoil in her otherwise pampered and peaceful life.

That Chandra's anger is justified as it is based on truth and her outlook is based on her father's untruth and hence invalid, is not her fault na.

No soft corner for the character or the actress. 😆 Just a teeny weeny relief that she is not a mahaan. She has her prejudices, faults, foolishness and has a lot to learn. She cannot become a Moral Science teacher.😆

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

I cannot wait to see this girl cop it from Mura once she is the Queen Mother. And Avantika as well. They should both be assigned to scrub the karagrih every day under strict supervision.

🤣 Am sure she will be made to. Or something worse. Hence the twice rubbing on the wrong side with Mura. Mura is no HB to chant her daughter in law's Bhajan.

I cannot imagine what possessed Chanakya to make Chandra marry this creature.

Spoilers say it is Helena who asks Chandra to marry her for her revenge.😕

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Posted: 8 years ago
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My dear Shailaja,

Your take on the likely mechanics of an escape as a foursome is so funny that it was a real pick me up at a point when I needed it. I have now laughed myself back into something approximating my normal good humour.

There is a gremlin that has attacked your first sentence, however. Should it not read CGM was not foolish in not single handedly attempting a rescue of Moora and his foster parents and leaving them in Nand's captivity?

Shyamala


Originally posted by: shailusri1983

Prem if you ask me, CGM was not foolish in single handedly attempting a rescue of Moora and his foster parents and leaving them in Nand's captivity. One, Moora would not have budged an inch from that place if her son had not fought, defeated Nand, killed him, all his sons, and come to take her from the prison with Samman!

Two, there was no way he could have togged all three of the captives along with him on the same horse without the back of the horse breaking due to all this undue hardship and infinite stress. Third, even if he or the horse managed such a ridiculous feat, there was no way all the foursome would have broken free of all the defenses in the Patliputra Palace without falling off the back of the horse. One, two, three or even all four of them might have fallen off the horse in this attempt.

Four, even if he managed to tie up the Three Muketeering Parents, he would have a very tough time fighting off the palace guards and soldiers. All the other three are non-combatants and would severely hamper his fighting and at the same time defending and protecting him and the others from these attacks.

All four would have surely lost their lives in this attempt. Unless he had reinforcements and help at hand, it was not a thing he could try alone and solo in a one man army type mission like this. So he definitely had to take his chance and trust his luck and leave the threesome wherever they were under the hope that Nand will keep them imprisoned and not execute such hapless prisoners who were in his mercy.

Moora rants to her heart's content but that's all she does and can do. She is a woman and in no way a threat to Nand, his army or his administration. As far as I see, I think that was the rule book the ancients adopted in choosing to keep whom as prisoners and whom to execute.

Now you may ask me what about the murder of those 49 new born kids by Nand on the day CGM was born? Nand murdered those kids because he suspected that one of them could be Suryagupt's successors.

Generally an usurper never left anybody in the male line of the king whom he killed even the new born for fear that they would challenge his authority some time in future. The same was the case with male relatives and faithful male retainers and family friends or allies. They were all executed.

Woman were either forced into the harem of the victor or kept in imprisonment. Executing a woman for no valid reason was considered to be downright vicious and unbecoming conduct even in such a despicable king like Nand.

My only issue was CGM barging into Nandini's room and launching into that long tirade about who he was and the reasons for his enemity with Nand. There was no way Nand would have confirmed his suspicions about the true identity of CGM if he had not blabbered it to Nandini.

In a way, now he was giving Nand new ideas of making use of Moora or his foster parents in weakening his resolve or preventing him from taking any decisive action because he had these three as hostages with him. Luck favors him and Nand does not take this hint. But what CGM did might have actually endangered the lives of the three. However, he was not thinking straight in his anger. It is too much to expect him to be so cool and composed after learning such a huge truth about himself.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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They were probably hiding for dear life on the other side of that square pillar!😆

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: amina1

Where did the foster parents go i dint see them when nandanis visit to mura

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Amina dear,

Thank you so much for liking this post.

I used to critique Jodha as a character very often, but this Nandini, after that scene with Mura, is the limit. Plus she is not beautiful, which would have been some sort of compensation, nor can she act. Regardless, we are stuck with her till the end of the serial God help us! I will stay on as long as I can, but lakshan achche nazar nahin aate.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: amina1

Aunty great post as i say this nandani is no princess and the pea.and it look she has inherited from both parents just selfishness and nothing else we see three duaghters nandani blind in love with her pita maharaj helena a dare devil daughter although she lives her father but shes her own woman i like that and durdhara she knows her father is no saint knows his faults now ab samaj me aya indeed her father used t o beat her mother i got confused man te the ya marte the and give me one reason why mura should accept nandani as daughter in law after what she did i hate this girl no respect and not once she thinks why shes in prison and why her father wanted to kill a navjat shishu at least she should have thought about a newborn baby or rather unborn child but Aunty what to expect from nand and avantikas daughter

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Posted: 8 years ago
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My dear Shailaja,

When I first read this post, I wanted to tell you to see the episode quickly, because try as I might, I cannot be a substitute for the visuals, especially of Rajat's scenes. I was glad when I saw later that you had liked this scene as much as I did. It must have been a very tough one in terms of technique, as well as the actual performance at such a high emotional level.

You know, my dear, I used to take it as given that Shweta was a good, tested actress and only needed the right scene to come into her own. Now I am not sure of this at all, and this bodes ill for the future.

I loved your para @blue. It is exactly what I would have liked to see, even if it showed Nandini as grey, for at least she would be clever and logical and resourceful.

I agree with you about its being unnecessarily rash and ill-considered of Chandra to hand all this vital information about the bond between him and Mura on a platter to Nandini, and thus to Nand, but then he is so traumatised by the horror of his discovery that his volcanic temper takes over. You have noted that as well.

As for the idea of a bride price for Durdhara, that is a good explanation that had not occurred to me. It was clever of you to have thought of it, my dear.

I must look into the wedding practices of that period from academic sources, and if I manage to dig up something to confirm the kanyashulkam practice, I will revert to you. This apart, this, and the African bride price system is only logical, though like any custom over time, it can create another set of problems.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: shailusri1983

Aunty I couldn't watch the episode so I really cannot add my two cents to what you have said here. All the same I can imagine everything that you have described in my mind's eye. Your verbal word picture is sufficient to conjure up the actual visual picture. Looks like Rajat and Papiya ji must have done a fantastic job.

I really hope that Sweta bucks up and improves as an actor in the days to come. Now the show does not completely revolve round her. But the day it starts doing, we really will be having a torrid time if she is going to continue with the same kind of standard.

I am not expecting a white heroine. I could even do with a grey one. My only problem, make her sensible. Okay even if Nandini is not a Prahlad to Hiranyakasipu or a Vibhishan to Raavan, make her at least as a Kumbhakaran or Meghnaad to Raavan. Both these redoubtable warriors knew that Raavan was wrong. They questioned him and even remonstrated him but ultimately sided with him and fought for him.

A grey Nandini wouldn't have gone to the prison and threatened a hapless Moora in such a vicious and vindictive fashion to soothe her ruffled feathers and as a fruitless ego trip. She would rather have gone to Chandra and threatened him of dire consequences to his mother or foster parents if he plans anything against her father in an attempt to either confuse him or slow him down in his revenge motto. That would have shown her as a dangerous opponent and somebody to reckon with.

So now the theory that Nandini is blind is purely ruled out by default. This girl knows and does not care. She is in cahoots with Nand and does not deserve even an ounce of sympathy. All this power, royalty in her hands is like a madcap entrusted to the care of blocks and blocks of dynamite.

Her character is like a train wreck. She seems congenitally and constitutionally lacking in many areas and has a schizophrenic streak to boast of as well! No white, whitewashed, light grey, or dark grey hues can be made out of it. Only a lunatic glint of a psychologically challenged and bipolar individual who needs urgent treatment is coming out of her character.

CVs please reassess for yourselves if this is what you want us to make out of your female lead. Make your lead talk and think and let us clearly see what she thinks and how she acts. Please spare us the Bharath Mata homilies for that. All of us don't need to be led by the hand. We will judge and try to understand for ourselves what she is based on it.

Aunty regarding Durdhara isn't it possible that there were no female dowries during the period we are talking about. Dowry as I understand it is a later day social evil in Indian society. Is it possible that in 4th century BC, the bridegroom's side paid money to the girl's father for doing Kanyadaan? I remember a play by Gurajjada Apparao "Kanyashulkam" on such social practices.

The groom's side paid money to the girl's father to give their girl in marriage. This money was to compensate for the loss her maternal family would incur in giving the girl away in marriage. This also later became a social evil when eligible young bachelors who did not have much money to spare did not get a suitable bride.

Elderly gentlemen three times the age of the bride, in their sixties or even seventies got beautiful young brides in their teens because they had lot of money to spare. It also resulted in many of these girls becoming widows at a very young age. So the Mukri Clone could well have decided to have sold Durdhara to that unsuitable aging Seth for the sake of money.

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