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Posted: 8 years ago
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I have a theory. What if Narendra modi is Chanakya's punah janam. 😆

Aunty on upanishad Ganga they had shown that Mauryas were probably care takers of peacocks and of a lower class. Could peacock feather be a sign of royalty? Who knows Chanakya may had made the last name up.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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My dear Alakh,

Would that it were so! But even if so, where is his Chandragupta?

I do not believe that the real Chanakya coined the dynasty name.The peacock symbol shown here is not meant to be a symbol of royalty. It is the emblem of the Maurya royal family, like the fleur de lis for the Bourbon kings of France.

There are many versions of Chandragupta's origins, as also of that of the name of his dynasty. The one you have cited is only one of them. The one chosen by the CVs for this show is taken from the Buddhist chronicles, which make out that Suryagupta Maurya was related to the Sakya clan of Kapilavastu, and thus to the Lord Buddha.

The one I like the best is that he was a perfectly ordinary little boy, who eventually named his dynasty after his mother Mura. Muraayaaha apatyam pumaan, Mauryaha A son born of Mura is a Maurya, I loved the idea that such a magnificent emperor would adopt his mother's name for the dynasty he founded, and not his father's.

Shyamala Aunty


Originally posted by: Autumn_Rose



I have a theory. What if Narendra modi is Chanakya's punah janam. 😆

Aunty on upanishad Ganga they had shown that Mauryas were probably care takers of peacocks and of a lower class. Could peacock feather be a sign of royalty? Who knows Chanakya may had made the last name up.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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It is good to see you here, Alakh my dear.

Oh, that muscle and abs show - whether it was overdone depends on whom you are asking! I am too old for such stuff, and I loved him in the swayamavar scene, where he looked extremely handsome.

What I was impressed by here is how much he has managed to tone his body. In the hamaam scenes in Jodha Akbar, he used to look like a khaate peete ghar ka ladka, with a god bit of excess flab that he has now taken off completely.

Nandini, I do not know what to say about her. The character is flat and unimpressive when it is not infuriatingly blind and/or inconsistent. As for the actress, she has not, thus far, displayed any great acting capabilities.

OK, my fingers are calling a halt to this, so I shall stop. I was not going to do any more responses till the evening, given how stiff they are, but I saw your name after quite a while and so I came in. Bye, my dear.

Shyamala Aunty


Originally posted by: Autumn_Rose


Hello Aunty🤗
I'm having a lot of trouble opening this site on my laptop 😭

the whole, splendid display of unbridled masculine oomph

^this whole scene made me laugh out loud😆 I was like what is he doing, show off. I know they put this scene for oohs and aahs from young girls. . And I really think they overdid it.

I have missed watching some parts in between but nandini Annoys me. She is one confused character on one hand she jumps in the well to save a goat on the other hand she is seen taunting Mura . I don't find her very consistent... She behave like she is one warrior princess but with malaiketu turns...she couldn't just stand up to injustice. . . Waise toh prem prem GA rahi thi. . Ab kya ho gaya. . And has she never noticed the way Nand treats Avandia?

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

My dear Mansi ( I hope I have got that right!),

Thank you!

As for what Helena says to Durdhara, she is like a lioness marking her territory and saying No trespassers!😆

Durdhara is a delight. I was interested to see that you agree with my theory about her. As for our main heroine, what one has to hope for now is that Nandini improves.

Shyamala Aunty


Yes ur rght with dat n I too hope Nandini improves bt it's just a wshfull thinking n I agree wth u about durdhara m long her too wth Chandra der scenes r vry light
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Dear Aunty,
I loved your post, especially the title. My comments in red.

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Prologue

The handsome, square face now looks thin and peaked, like that of an eager bloodhound out for the chase and the kill. It also reflects - in the over bright eyes and the almost feline look in them, in the almost wolfish smile that twists his lips - the pride of birth, the exultation in his royal lineage, that now surges thru Chandragupta's whole being.

Beautifully put Aunty!

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Folks,

The above scene was, for me, the essence and the summation of this whole triptych, as also the reason for the title. For the Bible says "Vengeance is mine, I will repay it, saith the Lord". However, Chandragupta is not willing to wait for divine retribution to catch up with Nand. Instead, having now become - once he has learnt the full truth about his birth and the fate of his parents - a force of nature, as Mishti (mishtidoi) put it, he is out to accomplish the task - Nand vansh ka vinaash, as he states repeatedly with a kind of savage glee - on his own. In effect, to make himself the instrument of divine justice.

This emotion stays with him even in the battle field. He is no longer fighting his Acharya's battle-for-a-cause.

Tour de force: It was also a very difficult scene for an actor, given the unrelentingly high pitch of fury and emotion that had to be maintained from start to finish, and this without letting it slip into OTT melodrama. It is greatly to Rajat's credit that he pulled it off flawlessly.

His voice rises and falls. It trembles on the edge of tears, but he does not weep, for his tears have been dried in the heat of his rage. It becomes hoarse and almost suspended at times, as his features are contorted by extreme emotion. But in the end, his voice, his eyes, his face, all come together in a triumphant affirmation of why his success is predestined, and who he is, Chandragupta Maurya!!!

This extended scene could not have been done in bits and pieces, for then the emotional pitch could not have been maintained. So such a long take, that too after the rehearsals, must have been very stressful for him. But it was all worth it in the end, and Rajat should be rightly proud, very proud of his performance. 👏👏👏

Yes Aunty. I watched this scene many times over. There is almost a metamorphosis. From a controlled rage during the initial episodes, it transformed into a juggernaut.

Chanakya and Helena provided perfect foils for the volcanic Chandragupta.

The latter's eyes glaze over with unshed tears, and her whole face melts in empathy as Chandragupta talks of the terrible fate that befell his parents, especially his mother. This is so especially when he curses his lack of courage to face his mother and confess that he had failed twice to defeat uska aparadhi and secure justice for her.

Even Chanakya's voice, normally peremptory and almost harsh, is for once softened by worry and concern for his shishya, and his eyes betray his deep empathy for what his boy is going thru.

The warning from Nemesis: Nemesis has not quite caught up with Nand and his family as yet, but in Episode 27, she delivered a savage warning to Nandini thru Chandragupta. Not that it had the slightest effect on the benighted girl, but I suppose the goddess had to fulfil divine regulations and issue this mandatory last verbal notice!

Chandragupta knew the location of Nandini's room from his last reconnaissance of the palace, and it seems that Amatya Rakshas had not bothered to shift her, as he had insisted on doing with Padmanand. In the event, having beaten her easily in the dash she makes for her sword (kept too far away to be of any use in a real emergency!), and locked her into a vice-like grip from behind, he lets her have it with both barrels, so to speak.

When he recounts the enmity between their two families since before he was even born, adding tum nahin jaanti ho, he gives her the benefit of the doubt (though a little earlier, he blames her for the arrest of his foster parents. Wrongly, but how would he know that? He would assume that she had been playing the same role that she had played during the swayamwar.)

When he moves on to the murder of his father by hers, and the imprisonment and the sufferings inflicted on his mother - about which, he notes, mujhe abhi gyat hua hai - there is no reaction but wide-eyed anger on Nandini's face. Not even a hint of perplexity at these unexpected revelations or, as she would see it, claims. Not that I expected anything else of either the character or the actress.

Even when he announces, with pride bubbling over in his voice: Main koyi bahuroopiya nahin hoon! Main Surygupta Maurya ki santaan, Mura ka beta, Chandragupta Maurya hoon! - Nandini's eyes merely widen a bit more. I suppose she had just about reached the end of her repertoire of expressions.😉

His conditions for the absence of hostilities are such as to invite an instant rejection, and he must have known that. He is, like Nemesis, merely going thru the motions, and is in fact straining at the bit to get at once to the punishment part.

When he does that, every line is dripping in venom and savage hatred for her father and now, by extension, for her as well. It is as if telling her about what he has in store for her provides a kind of instant satisfaction, of catharsis, for him.

Jeevan bhar pitaheen rahogi.. Ek bhi kalayi nahin bachegi jis par tum sutra baand sako..Vachan deta hoon main, ki tumhare pita ke apradh ka dand tumhein bhi milega.. Tumhara dand hoga ki tum swayam, apni aankhon se, apne pita, apne bhaiyon ka vadh hote dekhogi..

When she manages to break free and retorts that he will not be able to touch her father, Chandragupta's mirthless smile is terrifying. He calls her a moorkh for not realizing the truth about her father, noting that she would realise it some day.

What he then adds is far more menacing, though Nandini is unlikely to realise that at this point. Ab tak meri shatruta tumhare pita se thi, par ab tum bhi apne pita ke apradh mein bhagi ban gayi ho. She will thus have to pay for her father's sins, for every tear his mother has shed, for every whiplash she has suffered. Follows a series of lurid threats about her father being forced to beg for his life, and the unyielding vachan: Main uske pran tumhari aankhon ke saamne loonga!

Rajat can do these kinds of scenes in his sleep, and he is entirely competent here. It was from Shweta that I expected something special - not just glares of anger, but a dawning puzzlement amidst the anger, and at least close attention to what he says about his family history which has just then been revealed to him. This was the least that one would expect from an intelligent, enquiring mind.

But there was not the slightest trace of any of this. In fact, when her father rushes in, Nandini only mentions that Chandra is us Mura ka beta, completely leaving out his father's name and his lineage. It seems to have barely registered with her.

In his first reconnaissance of the Nand palace, Chandra made a map of the entire palace. So I assume he knew many more chambers, including that of Nandini's brothers. To enter into a woman's chamber at night seems not decorous action. But he still does that even when he could have said the same things to any of Nand's sons. His rivalry with Nandini knows no bounds. I am actually wondering how the two are even going to fall in love. And that fascinates me too. Because every time they meet, their rivalry seems to only get worse.

Shweta needs to buck up. She was simple grinding her teeth and dilating the pupil of her eye (I remember another actress doing the same but she at least looked beautiful doing it😆). And I am bored of this standard facial expression for anger. And I don't think Nandini wanted to ponder over what Chandra said, because anything against her father, her brain refuses to register. Her own mother cannot cross the barrier of her mind, which refuses to fault her dad.

The essence of royalty: I was fascinated by the sharp difference between the reactions of Chandra's foster mother and Mura to the idea of his coming there to rescue them.

The former, being a commoner, that too one from a very low social level, is merely afraid for his life, and prays that he should not come there at all. But Mura is a queen, and for her, the concept of the duties of a royal is paramount. And for her son, this would mean, above all, taking revenge on Nand for all the crimes he had committed againts the Piplivan royal family and the citizens of that kingdom.

Whence her tireless refrain: Wo aayega! Avashya aayega! Apni maa ke apmaan aur apne pita ki hatya ka pratishodh lene aayega wo! Nand ka ant karne aayega! Yeh uski niyati hai, use aana hoga! Then the vachan a la Draupadi: Jis din wo Nand ka vadh karega, us din main apne pair ki bediyaan nikaloongi. Us se pehle use apna putra kehkar gale nahin lagaaongi!

Chandra, listening to his long lost mother from below, his whole being taut with the anticipation of being with her at last, stops in his tracks and then, slowly, retreats. When he stops in the palace corridor a little later, and laughs silently, the welling bitterness in that laughter sears the screen.

Mura's unwavering courage in the face of the direst threats from Nand has been repeatedly on display in the past. But this time, she outdid herself, facing down - with cool disdain, and a litany of all his recent failures against Chandra - his assertion that her son would meet the same fate as her husband. To cap it all, she noted that once he had been killed by Chandra, there would be no one to perform his last rites (as his sons would all have been killed before him). So she takes it upon herself to chant the appropriate mantras and complete the last rites for him in advance.

I was struck by the look in Mura's eyes as she completes the recital. Thus might the Pythia, the Oracle of Delphi in ancient Greece, have looked at a petitioner for whom she had announced a particularly dire fate.👏

Wonderfully put! In the initial episodes, I would be relieved when Mura didn't get screen time. But not anymore. Her scenes are wonderful. I liked this particular scene a lot, more so because the revelation drama got over in a few minutes 😉. I liked how you described the contrasting attitudes of both the mothers.

Her father's daughter: It has often been noted here that Nandini, because of her low social origins on her father's side, is found lacking in the kind of behaviour expected of royalty. Last night, she proved this in spades, as she suddenly landed up on Mura, and proceeded, for no visible reason, to taunt her about, as she asserted again and again, the impending death of her son in the next battle.

Is ranbhoomi mein uski bali chadegi! Her voice rising another notch, and pushing her face even closer to Mura's, Uski bali chadegi!! She is practically snarling the words out, her lips drawn back from her teeth in rage.Now Nandini has never been a favorite of mine. But that was because she seemed to be a silly girl for the most part, devoid of any impressive qualities, and exasperating in her behaviour towards her pitamaharaj and her whole environment, which, as I have noted before, bears a closed resemblance to Gandhiji's Three Monkeys all rolled into one. In all else, I took her to be a pleasant, kind-hearted and good-natured young woman, standard issue, conventional heroine material. I never suspected her of being nasty or even overtly negative.

After watching her with Mura last night, my assessment of her was drastically altered for the worse. Nandini blackened her character comprehensively in that ugly, unnecessary scene.

It does not occur to her - especially after listening to what Chandra had told her a little earlier - to question herself, if not her father, as to why this poor, tormented, helpless woman has been kept chained like a dog on a leash for years on end, not to speak of having any pity for her. Instead, she goes and taunts her, with shocking and vengeful malice, about her son being made a bali.

I hated Nandini last night. It will now be tough even for those hitherto well disposed towards her to explain how their kind, gentle, compassionate Nandini could behave in such a vicious, crude manner towards a hapless prisoner in chains.

If I was Chandra, I would have chained Nandini up in the same spot in the same way, and made Nand watch that before decapitating him in front of her.

It sounds harsh, but that is how I feel after watching her in action last night. She will need to go thru hellfire to redeem herself. - doing not mere pashchataap, but severe prayaschit. And when Mura becomes the Queen Mother, she will never forget, or forgive, Nandini for what she did last night.

One correction. I was wrong when I said, after watching this scene, that Nandini is her father's daughter. She is her mother's as well. Remember Avantika, immediately after Mura has been captured and jailed by Padmanand after she rebuffs him, going to Mura and indulging in the same kind of spiteful, vicious taunts as Nandini did last night? Avantika too spoke of the 39 newborns Nand had had killed, like Kamsa, and gloated that Mura's son too must have been among them. So like mother, like daughter as well.

What horrible genes the poor girl has inherited!

As a kid, when Nandini empathised with Mura, Mura tells her that she has been enslaved by a Rakshas and calls Nand the Rakshas who imprisoned her. The little Nandini loses all her sympathy for Mura and throws sand on Chandra's name engraved by Mura. For Nandini, anybody who makes an allegation against her dad is a villain. And she will not register anything against her father (her brain seems to have some special filter I suppose).Like you said, she is benighted. She sees the whole thing as Nand legitimately defeating Suryagupt in the battle field and the women being imprisoned (some suffer worse a fate than Mura) because that was the norm. And I don't think she has any reason to believe Chandra when he says that Mura was tortured by Nand. Chandra is the enemy, and when the girl doesn't believe her mother, she will in no way believe Chandra. Nandini's greatest flaw is her blind trust in her father. Chandra too didn't show any kind of decorous behaviour when he landed up in her chamber. It made Nandini angry, and in the absence of Chandra, the only one person against whom she would vent her anger was Mura. Was it right to vent her anger on an imprisoned lady? No. But that does not make her vicious and evil. I see both Chandra's outburst on Nandini and Nandini's outburst on Mura as driven by love for the mother and father respectively. Both crossed boundaries.

Another point. Whereas Nandini could do nothing more than snarl at Mura with her eyes at the widest possible - this being her all purpose solution to the varied demands on her in a single scene !- the closing shots of Mura's face and eyes were a treat for the viewer, a class act in emoting. Amusement crept slowly across her visage like an incoming tide, as her eyes lit up with secret gladness.

As she tells Nandini, with total, rock-like conviction and utter calm: Tu ja keh de apne pita se, uske paap ka ghadabhar chuka hai. Is bar uske poore parivaar ka vinaash tai hai! , the faraway look in her eyes is like that of a seer who can see into the future, and what she sees is justice being done at last.

In short, Papiya Sengupta acts her young colleague clean off the screen!👏

Yes Aunty. Mura's reaction for a treat to watch. Shweta was bad and Papiya was wonderful.

Light relief: Durdhara-Chandra 1: This was pure fun and games, after the heavy duty scene in the prologue. I loved the brisk, clever Durdhara here, especially during and after her coaching session with Chandra. Sar ooncha, swar mein tez, aankhon mein vishwas, aur seena chaudi karke baat karna!

He too was delightful in his unusual light-heartedness, especially when he listens to her instructions with mock seriousness, and pays obeisance to his guruma at the end.

This scene reaffirmed a cardinal point: that Durdhara is the only person with whom Chandra can be, even if only for a brief while, free of care and relaxed.

Almost like a tired worker coming back home and watching his kid play, and the stress and tiredness is all gone. He likes her child-like personality. And he finds her adorable.

Not so light relief: Durdhara-Chandra 2: What I loved here was the sense of honour, and the affection towards his mitra, that keeps Chandragupta, no matter how pressing his needs of the moment, from agreeing to a marriage of convenience with her that would at one go negate all her hopes for a caring, accommodating husband.

That he comes round in the end is to solely to oblige her, and protect her from being pushed into a disastrous marriage to a much older, and twice married nagarseth, notorious for following Manu's maxim that wives, like drums, benefit from beatings. 😡

I didn't know Manusmriti said such things about women . I loved the fact that the marriage between the two was under the circumstances the CVs created. It was thoughtful on the part of the CVs to preserve the sanctity of this friendship and not sacrifice it at the altar of need.

The promise that she gives never to demand any rights as a wife from him, and his own solemn warning to her Ab jo tune kaha, use jeevan bhar smaran rakhna! A finger wagging at her to emphasise this point, Aur mujhse bhi ek pati banne ki aastha mat rakhna! , come jointly under the category of "Famous last words"! 😆

Intriguing possibility: I am not very sure about Durdhara here, or about her tale of the deplorable bridegroom her father has allegedly chosen for her. What possible financial benefit can her father secure from this kind of marriage? This is not Africa, where an aging tribal chief might be ready to pay a much larger bride price than usual for a young third or fourth wife. In India, a wedding is always expensive for the girl's father.

How do we know she is telling the truth about that unpleasant groom ? I found that spiel of hers odd and difficult to believe. It might just as well be an astute lie - made up on the spur of the moment once she saw the chance of getting Chandra opening up in front of her - meant to force Chandra's hand and get him to agree to marry her.

I should add that if this was indeed the case, I would not blame Durdhara for her little trick. A girl has to look after herself! 😉 It would in fact make her more interesting as a character.

No such luck. She is a sweet innocent girl. That's the reason Chandra adores her.

The lost hriday: Oh, I almost forgot! The hriday that, Chandra now insists, he does not have, because he extracted it from his chest cavity and crushed it under his heel. That implies two things.

One, that there was a 4th century BC successor of Sushruta ( the first known surgeon in ancient India,who is placed around 600 BC) around in Patalgram who performed this extraction for our hero.😆

And two, since the aforesaid cardiac apparatus has been destroyed, there will be nothing for our heroine No.1, Nandini, to discover in due course. She will have to manufacture it from scratch!😉

😆Jalalian hangover!

Durdhara-Chandra-Helena: Chandra is fast developing a comfortable equation with his wife. Witness the way in which he takes her to meet his childhood friend, Durdhara, and announces, with placid amusement,that he has married her!

Helena does look curious, though not inquisitorial, and why not? She knows nothing of Chandra's past, especially about any women in his life. Now, she may not be emotionally involved with him, but she is his wife and a degree of possessiveness goes with that position. Of course she will try and assess Chandra's chummy relationship with this new girl.

It is to her credit that when Durdhara falls on Chandra's neck - which was rather odd in that era, even if they had been childhood friends - Helena does not frown. She merely looks a little startled, as well she might!

Later, at the Chandragupta-Durdhara marriage, Helena is shown standing there and showering flowers on the couple. Her face is still and unreadable. It is not to be expected that she would like this sudden addition to their menage. But she is above all a pragmatist, and she must have realized that this was unavoidable for purely practical reasons.

This said, given that Chandra and Durdhara will get on very easily and light-heartedly with each other, as they have always done, Helena might start feeling left out. It remains to be seen how Chandragupta handles this, or indeed if he understands this at all.

Helena's love can be obsessive and she can be possessive in love.When she hates, the results can be devastating. Rabbit and Malayketu are examples😆. I feel Chandra needs Helena's emotional support and Dhurdhara needs Chandra's friendship. Helena needs Chandra's complete attention though. She is going to be quite difficult to deal with, only because Helena wouldn't be the only wife.

Chanakya: Less than impressive: Our generally infallible Acharya was not in top form in these episodes.

For one thing, I was dismayed when he confessed that he had noted the morpankh chinna, the sign of the Mauryan royal family, on young Chandra's arm, but had done nothing at all to investigate the matter. It was a major faux pas on the part of such a master of intrigue.

Next, while he has always been stressing the need for a final, decisive victory over Magadha, one would have expected him to have identified all the roadblocks to such a campaign well in advance. But he seems to be unearthing problems one after another just after Chandragupta has announced his irrevocable decision to wage war against Padmanand and destroy him and his whole race.

One, he says the Magadha army is very large and they do not have the numbers to stand against them But what then about the last two times? What has changed so badly for the worse since then? In fact the Nands seem to feel the same about Chandra's army, and surely Chanakya's spies should have been able to pick that up?

Well, this objection is met when Helena announces that the Macedonian contingent would be arriving the same night.

So next Chanakya brings up the question of funds. Was this too something he has just realized? Why did he not mention this earlier, before he sent Chandra off to spy in Pataliputra as if finding out Nand's key weak point was the key to victory for them?

Exactly. The first question that came to my mind when Chanakya talks about needing financial support was - why didn't he think of this earlier, and why is he thinking about it when the war is tomorrow😕

In short, our guruvar here resembles nothing so much as a brood hen laying eggs one after the other.😆 No wonder that Chandra reacts with some exasperation, and responds to Chanakya's last gripe with ab prashna ka samadhaan bhi aap hi batayiye!

Poor fellow...he knows his Acharya is already upto something 😆

Bizarre expedition: Then again, WHAT is Chandra expected to discover during that very risky venture into Pataliputra on which Chanakya sends him, over-ruling his strong and logical protests? That Nandini is the apple of her father's eye, the one he loves more than himself? He could have guessed that during his last outing, when he kidnapped her, for if this was not so, he could never have got away because he had her as a hostage.

OK, let us suppose that he is still not sure of this. What then? How is a priest expected to discover whom the king loves the most by sitting in the pooja sthal - and the ceremony is clearly one of the preliminaries to the marriage, not the main marriage ceremony itself? How far can he wander around the palace, and what will he do there anyway?

This is all total flummery, and the way in which it develops from here on is bizarre. A pooja is in progress for the var-vadhu, and a couple of prisoners are dragged into the pooja sthal, interrupting the ceremony, and Padmanand promptly abandons the pooja meant for the Devi to bless his darling daughter to take on the role of the Grand Inquisitor? What happened to the ceremony thereafter is left in a limbo.

Why not wait till the pooja was over? And what was the tearing hurry to interrogate that duo right there and then, in front of the whole assemblage?

It makes no sense at all, but then it has only one purpose, as I had noted on my last thread ( one of the exceedingly few occasions when I got a plot prediction right!) for Chandra to learn the truth about his parentage. Partly right there, in the negative sense - which is why the prisoners have to be dragged in while the priest is there - plus he then knows where to go to try and dig out the rest. To the prison, to try and interrogate them, but then he finds all the missing pieces at one go. That is it!

Just as Tun Tun bhabhi's stumbling had only one purpose, for the holy water to fall not on Malayaketu's hand but on Chandra's. To wit, khoon bhari maang part 2.

But Chanakya was not in the know of any of this. So the fact remains that his decision to send his ace of trumps into the lion's den, to very little visible purpose, was dangerous and foolish, to put it mildly. As I had noted once before, Chanakya is not infallible. He is merely far wiser than the rest of mankind.

Yes. No logic at all. But it was entertaining. So I am ready to forego logic😉

OK, folks, this is it for now, and about time too ! Please do not forget to hit the Like button if you think that is warranted.

See you over the coming weekend. I devoutly hope that this battle is a victory for Chandra. I for one cannot stand any more gut-wrenching scenes of him crushed and heartbroken.

Shyamala/Aunty/Akka/Di

PS: Both the photos of Chandra working out are courtesy my dear young friend Anjali. The choice is obviously hers, and for entirely obvious reasons!😆 Well, young people will be young people,but I needed a few more photos. So I have taken the liberty of borrowing them from Mahesh (maheshbedant) whose comprehensive written updates are a labour of love. I hope he will not mind that I have not taken his prior permission.


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My dear Prem,

My hand is hurting a lot today, so I will be very brief. My comments are in blue.

Shyamala Aunty



Aunty,

love is different

the type nandini does to her dad is love

the pain chandra feels for a mother he never knew mura is love

the fact that chandra worried about his adopted father in nand jail although that man hit him so much in childhood thats love

chandra was fighting nand without any personal victimhood in first two wars to avenge chankyas humiliation thats love

chandra marrying dhuradhara to save her from old man is love - here i want to say he says yeh to meri acchi dost hai iske saath kaise before walking to her. Childhood friends are most pure form of friends, in childhood you do not have ego and shyness and after family only childhood friends have seen the raw you, the real you. So chandra is thinking how to have husband wife relation or first night with his childhood friend, what if she feels scared or bad and that friendship breaks. Otherwise he truly loves her very much, not ready to accept it openly because he feels marriage and love will distract him from his gaols of war.

his adopted mom loves her husband although he hits her is love

So i do not think chandra does not know about love

Yes he is not ready for husband wife relation with his wives now because he is focussed on defeating nand and many great man have taken to celibacy as they felt marriage was a distraction be it great rishi munis of yore to find God, or gandhiji to get freedom for country etc

Family is not only great support in times of grave crisis but family can be manipulated to defeat you

Any other enemy would have kept a sword on nandini neck to get victory from nand(like a maleyketu)

Nand could have threatened to kill Mura if chandra gupta does not surrender to him etc

This is serial so all these things are not shown practically

Imagine if real nand had CGM mother in prison would he not get her and threaten CGM when he is on verge of defeat definetly but CGM and chankya were clever men, i am sure they protected CGM family his adopted mother, father and adopted sister and brothers before venturing to war with nand.

Will any clever man allow his parents to stay in magadh when they are fighting against nand? No, chandya and chandra have made a great mistake and lucky that reel nand is dumb enough to not use CGM parents to stop him




Edited by myviewprem - 8 years ago
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@Prem, yes it's not at all practical but think about it. . Nand has kept Murat alive for so long . And she has been rubbing it in his face that her son will come. He has imprisoned her but yet she humiliates him, because he wanted her but could not have her. He could have taken her forcibly but wanted her acceptance. She affects him in some way . So it's something at a deeper level. Maybe he just wants to kill Chandra and then torment her . Why he has kept his foster parents alive is a mystery though 😆

Her my son will come rants make her sound like Jaya bachan in Karan Arun. Thank God it wasn't like waiting for someone's punah janam because it's a historical
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Prem if you ask me, CGM was not foolish in single handedly attempting a rescue of Moora and his foster parents and leaving them in Nand's captivity. One, Moora would not have budged an inch from that place if her son had not fought, defeated Nand, killed him, all his sons, and come to take her from the prison with Samman!

Two, there was no way he could have togged all three of the captives along with him on the same horse without the back of the horse breaking due to all this undue hardship and infinite stress. Third, even if he or the horse managed such a ridiculous feat, there was no way all the foursome would have broken free of all the defenses in the Patliputra Palace without falling off the back of the horse. One, two, three or even all four of them might have fallen off the horse in this attempt.

Four, even if he managed to tie up the Three Muketeering Parents, he would have a very tough time fighting off the palace guards and soldiers. All the other three are non-combatants and would severely hamper his fighting and at the same time defending and protecting him and the others from these attacks.

All four would have surely lost their lives in this attempt. Unless he had reinforcements and help at hand, it was not a thing he could try alone and solo in a one man army type mission like this. So he definitely had to take his chance and trust his luck and leave the threesome wherever they were under the hope that Nand will keep them imprisoned and not execute such hapless prisoners who were in his mercy.

Moora rants to her heart's content but that's all she does and can do. She is a woman and in no way a threat to Nand, his army or his administration. As far as I see, I think that was the rule book the ancients adopted in choosing to keep whom as prisoners and whom to execute.

Now you may ask me what about the murder of those 49 new born kids by Nand on the day CGM was born? Nand murdered those kids because he suspected that one of them could be Suryagupt's successors.

Generally an usurper never left anybody in the male line of the king whom he killed even the new born for fear that they would challenge his authority some time in future. The same was the case with male relatives and faithful male retainers and family friends or allies. They were all executed.

Woman were either forced into the harem of the victor or kept in imprisonment. Executing a woman for no valid reason was considered to be downright vicious and unbecoming conduct even in such a despicable king like Nand.

My only issue was CGM barging into Nandini's room and launching into that long tirade about who he was and the reasons for his enemity with Nand. There was no way Nand would have confirmed his suspicions about the true identity of CGM if he had not blabbered it to Nandini.

In a way, now he was giving Nand new ideas of making use of Moora or his foster parents in weakening his resolve or preventing him from taking any decisive action because he had these three as hostages with him. Luck favors him and Nand does not take this hint. But what CGM did might have actually endangered the lives of the three. However, he was not thinking straight in his anger. It is too much to expect him to be so cool and composed after learning such a huge truth about himself.

Originally posted by: myviewprem



Aunty,

love is different

the type nandini does to her dad is love

the pain chandra feels for a mother he never knew mura is love

the fact that chandra worried about his adopted father in nand jail although that man hit him so much in childhood thats love

chandra was fighting nand without any personal victimhood in first two wars to avenge chankyas humiliation thats love

chandra marrying dhuradhara to save her from old man is love - here i want to say he says yeh to meri acchi dost hai iske saath kaise before walking to her. Childhood friends are most pure form of friends, in childhood you do not have ego and shyness and after family only childhood friends have seen the raw you, the real you. So chandra is thinking how to have husband wife relation or first night with his childhood friend, what if she feels scared or bad and that friendship breaks. Otherwise he truly loves her very much, not ready to accept it openly because he feels marriage and love will distract him from his gaols of war.

his adopted mom loves her husband although he hits her is love

So i do not think chandra does not know about love

Yes he is not ready for husband wife relation with his wives now because he is focussed on defeating nand and many great man have taken to celibacy as they felt marriage was a distraction be it great rishi munis of yore to find God, or gandhiji to get freedom for country etc

Family is not only great support in times of grave crisis but family can be manipulated to defeat you

Any other enemy would have kept a sword on nandini neck to get victory from nand(like a maleyketu)

Nand could have threatened to kill Mura if chandra gupta does not surrender to him etc

This is serial so all these things are not shown practically

Imagine if real nand had CGM mother in prison would he not get her and threaten CGM when he is on verge of defeat definetly but CGM and chankya were clever men, i am sure they protected CGM family his adopted mother, father and adopted sister and brothers before venturing to war with nand.

Will any clever man allow his parents to stay in magadh when they are fighting against nand? No, chandya and chandra have made a great mistake and lucky that reel nand is dumb enough to not use CGM parents to stop him





Edited by shailusri1983 - 8 years ago
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In his first reconnaissance of the Nand palace, Chandra made a map of the entire palace. So I assume he knew many more chambers, including that of Nandini's brothers. To enter into a woman's chamber at night seems not decorous action. But he still does that even when he could have said the same things to any of Nand's sons. His rivalry with Nandini knows no bounds. I am actually wondering how the two are even going to fall in love. And that fascinates me too. Because every time they meet, their rivalry seems to only get worse.

Normally when when there is a long time suffering due to some event/system/misfortune, the anger is most at the beneficiary of the event/system even more than the one who caused it or the system itself.

Shweta needs to buck up. She was simple grinding her teeth and dilating the pupil of her eye (I remember another actress doing the same but she at least looked beautiful doing it😆 - the sole relief so far is that Shweta has not begun to look and soundlike Jagat Mata)And I am bored of this standard facial expression for anger. And I don't think Nandini wanted to ponder over what Chandra said, because anything against her father, her brain refuses to register. Her own mother cannot cross the barrier of her mind, which refuses to fault her dad.


As a kid, when Nandini empathised with Mura, Mura tells her that she has been enslaved by a Rakshas and calls Nand the Rakshas who imprisoned her. The little Nandini loses all her sympathy for Mura and throws sand on Chandra's name engraved by Mura. For Nandini, anybody who makes an allegation against her dad is a villain. And she will not register anything against her father (her brain seems to have some special filter I suppose).Like you said, she is benighted. She sees the whole thing as Nand legitimately defeating Suryagupt in the battle field and the women being imprisoned (some suffer worse a fate than Mura) because that was the norm. And I don't think she has any reason to believe Chandra when he says that Mura was tortured by Nand. Chandra is the enemy, and when the girl doesn't believe her mother, she will in no way believe Chandra. Nandini's greatest flaw is her blind trust in her father. Chandra too didn't show any kind of decorous behaviour when he landed up in her chamber. It made Nandini angry, and in the absence of Chandra, the only one person against whom she would vent her anger was Mura. Was it right to vent her anger on an imprisoned lady? No. But that does not make her vicious and evil. I see both Chandra's outburst on Nandini and Nandini's outburst on Mura as driven by love for the mother and father respectively. Both crossed boundaries.

Nandini is blind dumb and deaf to anything against her father. Else she can sympathize even with a bakri ka bachcha. The moment you speak against her Pitaji Maharaj, you become an evil liar. Mura is. Chandra is. Even Avantika is at times. She has seen and felt unalloyed and unlimited love and affection from her father all through that makes her so. Yes. Her reaction to Mura was similar to Chandra's reaction to her. If Chandra was present her fury would have been directed towards him, since he had fled she directs it towards his mother.

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My dear Sandhya and Shreya,

I find your great understanding of Nandini's motives and actions towards Mura very interesting. I think you both have a soft corner for this wretched girl, otherwise I would slot this equation that you both are trotting out between what Chandra did and what Nandini did as incomprehensible.

Shreya actually says that the way he behaved in Nandini's room was not decorous . Not decorous!?! She is for him the very symbol of evil, the evil that ruined his life, murdered his father and enslaved his mother. What do you think he should have done, taken her a bouquet of red roses? Any other man would have killed her then and there and left her body for Nand to find. Which is what Vaishali tries to do, and I could understand that completely.

I detest this Nandini now, and nothing bad that happens to her would be too bad for me. Unfortunately, we are going to have to suffer her for the rest of the serial.

Shyamala Aunty



In his first reconnaissance of the Nand palace, Chandra made a map of the entire palace. So I assume he knew many more chambers, including that of Nandini's brothers. To enter into a woman's chamber at night seems not decorous action. But he still does that even when he could have said the same things to any of Nand's sons. His rivalry with Nandini knows no bounds. I am actually wondering how the two are even going to fall in love. And that fascinates me too. Because every time they meet, their rivalry seems to only get worse.

Normally when when there is a long time suffering due to some event/system/misfortune, the anger is most at the beneficiary of the event/system even more than the one who caused it or the system itself.

A nice oblique explanation worthy of a political science textbook. Your earlier take on page 2 here was much better.

Shweta needs to buck up. She was simple grinding her teeth and dilating the pupil of her eye (I remember another actress doing the same but she at least looked beautiful doing it😆 - the sole relief so far is that Shweta has not begun to look and soundlike Jagat Mata)And I am bored of this standard facial expression for anger. And I don't think Nandini wanted to ponder over what Chandra said, because anything against her father, her brain refuses to register. Her own mother cannot cross the barrier of her mind, which refuses to fault her dad.

As a kid, when Nandini empathised with Mura, Mura tells her that she has been enslaved by a Rakshas and calls Nand the Rakshas who imprisoned her. The little Nandini loses all her sympathy for Mura and throws sand on Chandra's name engraved by Mura. For Nandini, anybody who makes an allegation against her dad is a villain. And she will not register anything against her father (her brain seems to have some special filter I suppose).Like you said, she is benighted. She sees the whole thing as Nand legitimately defeating Suryagupt in the battle field and the women being imprisoned (some suffer worse a fate than Mura) because that was the norm. And I don't think she has any reason to believe Chandra when he says that Mura was tortured by Nand. Chandra is the enemy, and when the girl doesn't believe her mother, she will in no way believe Chandra. Nandini's greatest flaw is her blind trust in her father. Chandra too didn't show any kind of decorous behaviour when he landed up in her chamber. It made Nandini angry, and in the absence of Chandra, the only one person against whom she would vent her anger was Mura. Was it right to vent her anger on an imprisoned lady? No. But that does not make her vicious and evil. I see both Chandra's outburst on Nandini and Nandini's outburst on Mura as driven by love for the mother and father respectively. Both crossed boundaries.

Nandini is blind dumb and deaf to anything against her father. Else she can sympathize even with a bakri ka bachcha. The moment you speak against her Pitaji Maharaj, you become an evil liar. Mura is. Chandra is. Even Avantika is at times. She has seen and felt unalloyed and unlimited love and affection from her father all through that makes her so. Yes. Her reaction to Mura was similar to Chandra's reaction to her. ????If Chandra was present her fury would have been directed towards him, since he had fled she directs it towards his mother.

You still do not get where I am coming from at all, do you, for all this jugalbandi of yours? It is that the dear, sweet, gentle, compassionate Nandini, so full of love for goats and God knows what other animals, can behave exactly like a demented witch with an old woman who has been kept chained like a dog by her pitamaharaj for 20 years.

Chandra is the horrendously wronged one. He has every right to behave a lot worse than he does. Who has wronged Nandini, except Chandra's verbal outburst? Lagta hai ki aap logon ki parakhne ki shakti ksheen ho gayi hai. It is like equating Eva Braun's sufferings in that underground bunker with those of the holocaust victims in Auschwitz and Dachau.

I cannot wait to see this girl cop it from Mura once she is the Queen Mother. And Avantika as well. They should both be assigned to scrub the karagrih every day under strict supervision.

I cannot imagine what possessed Chanakya to make Chandra marry this creature. And the girl is not beautiful, neither can she act. Much more of this, and Jodha will start looking like an oasis in the desert. And this Nandini Bhajan Mandali in the making gives me the willies!

Edited by sashashyam - 8 years ago

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