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Posted: 8 years ago
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Aunty if you are finding it difficult to type, you could try a software which types on voice dictation. I personally don't know how well they work. But I remember one of our seniors at the university using some such software for all his assignments, and dissertation. He was blind but he hardly took anybody's help. He managed remarkably well on his own with the help of technology.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Young Tripti,

Two points.

One, if you have indeed read and Liked this post, could you not find anything to say about it or the subject , bar that wild boar ? I do not spend 2 hours on a post for no comments like this one!😉

Two, I see that there is a Shweta fan club already in the process of formation, with the National Award being bandied about as if it was some kind of Khul jaa, sim sim! to TV watching bliss. 😉I am, as you know, no one's fan, and I am not given to seeing things I want to see regardless of whether they are there or not. So it might be a good idea to wait and watch, before you start rating this young lady higher than Rajat.

Rajat is a proven commodity, and not in terms of his looks alone. She is not, for Makdee was a long time ago, and now she has to prove herself all over again.

Plus, she can do only as much as the script allows her to do, for very few actors can rise above the script. As of now, there is nothing I have seen to rave about - but to be fair to her, saving goats from wells and gushing over her pita maharaj does not lend itself to a display of emoting skills. 😉

Whereas Rajat, despite that less than satisfactory intro, aced it in the little amused look he casts at Malayaketu sitting there with no plate, and then when he coolly ignores all their verbal sniping and goes on eating systematically with splendid unconcern. Now that is what is called rising above the script!

More of that in the post I hope to make later today, but my point is that we should only hold a watching brief at this point and not try to constitute a NBM already! Marvelling at her swordfighting skills is a pure exercise in self delusion. She might turn out to be all that you expect of her and more, indeed I hope so, but we will be able to judge that only when this saccharine phase between her and her father comes to an end. Not right away.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Mallika-E-Bhais

I looked at the terrible, horrible VFX job, like my Arithmancy teachers would've looked at my papers & I couldn't stop 🤣 what a SHODDY JOB! It's how I look back at the old fantasy movies in Hindi & can't stop laughing because they're such free laughs! The little boy is a real treat for beauty-deprived eyes, what beautiful brandy eyes!! But I reckon he could stick to modelling in the future. 😆 His acting is sub-par.


Yes aunty, I am one of those who is waiting for Tokas & SBP. I saw the promo & shes sooo good! I love her voice modulation. I hope the drudgery of telly does not diminish her NA-winning acting. We need actors like her on the telly ESP against very capable actors as Tokas. He
Should be rejoicing- For the first time he has a female lead who is probably even more capable than him. 😆 I want to see how he will take to this alien experience!!

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Thanks a lot for your concern, Shailaja.

The thing is that I tried one for a bit, but the training period is tough, and I do not have the time for it right now. If this present schedule becomes unmanageable, I might be pushed to try it once more, let me see. For a blind person, there is no way out, so that simplifies the choice making process. Still, what your senior managed was remarkable and admirable.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: shailusri1983

Aunty if you are finding it difficult to type, you could try a software which types on voice dictation. I personally don't know how well they work. But I remember one of our seniors at the university using some such software for all his assignments, and dissertation. He was blind but he hardly took anybody's help. He managed remarkably well on his own with the help of technology.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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My dear Ankita,

You have something here, just as Shailaja does, and you are both persuasive advocates of your line. But I am still unconvinced about the scripting. My comments are in blue.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: BrienneOfTarth

Aunty, you made me think on this one.

I believe there is one finer aspect of his character that we have not mentioned. Our boy has developed a sense of justice. It starts at home when he takes a beating in his mother's stead. He does solve the issue with words later on but his first reaction is stepping in to right a wrong.

With Mura, he is again emotional but is it also not his need to do the right thing that has him jumping to take the stones for a stranger?
That is because he remembers the abuse his foster mother was subjected to and for that moment, he sees her in Mura. It is not just a sense of justice that drives him to take the whiplashes in her place.

Then we come to the Tuladhaar. An old man falls and Chandra rushes to help him up. The scene reeks of extortion. Our boy glares at the princess and drops his rajmudra thus tipping the scales. It is him and the praja and the entire sansaar saying "Enough. No more." That is what the Tuladhaar scene meant to me.

No, no, my dear, you are being too hifi for these CVs. Plus, their target audience will not get anything as complicated as this at all. It is exactly what I surmised and what Kashish has endorsed. It is a throwback to the mythological parallel of a love that has no equal, ie mush on a grand scale. Luckilym that is all a good long distance away!

But this boy then disregards his brains and solely chooses his need for justice when addressing the king. Alas, he is still a boy on a learning curve who has not learned to pick his battles. So I forgive him and urge you to do the same. The CVs, I will give a slap on the wrist. Besides, does he not win our hearts with his wits later on?
Jo apne vachan se palat jaye, uske dhan se koi labh nahin. Aap hi rakhie apna dhan.
That bit redeems him to me somewhat. Like I said before, I am a sucker for good lines. 😆

So am I, which is why I highlighted that part.

Chanakya maybe be enchanted by the boy's courage and wits but it is the boy's selfless kindness to a stranger that finally makes him speak of kingly tidings. Cheeky repartees he may give, but the boy speaks and thinks high thoughts.

Chandra maybe brave and intelligent, but to me that is not enough to be a king. I believe what draws Chanakya is the boy's morality, for what is a king if not a leader in public service?

Chanakya might be interested in a dharmparaayan, prajapaalak King in the long run, but right now what he wants is a ruthless warrior.

I am pretty excited Aunty. We are starting at the beginning. There is a lot to be done. Chandragupta Maurya was the first ruler to unify the 16 mahajanapadas under one rule and repel the Greek army. All which he achieved after ending the Nanda dynasty and amassing his own army. Then there is Kautilya neeti. According to Ekta Mata, there is also Nandini. 😆

The real question is, how much of each of these in the cocktail, or the salad? Already, we have been shortchanged in the training part and pitchforked at least 2 episodes too soon to the grown up Chandra. By the way, when will he get his full name, I wonder.

Lots to look forward to. 😳 Now that is the spirit! Atta girl!


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Posted: 8 years ago
#45
Thank you so much, my dear. Posts like yours perk me up no end!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: varala

Fantastic analysis 👏👏

U r brilliant and I like ur way of thinking
U see the whole situation In a different angle...GREAT👏⭐️
Keep writing
Thanks for pm 😊

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Posted: 8 years ago
#46
Thank you so much, my dear Kavya. I am waiting for the day when you will write something more than this. For my next post, perhaps?

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Kavya_P


thanks for pm aunty

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Astrologer Karkuzhali's interpretations...

As a feminine planet, Venus has been regarded as the goddess of love, marriage, beauty and all worldly comforts. Venus represents that power of love which leads to the merger of two individual selves into one and rules the gentle and refined attributes of human life.

Saturn is a barren, binding, cold, dry, hard, defensive and secretive planet. Its effects and influences are felt with greater intensity and for longer periods than any other planet.

If posted in the same house,

The aspect of Venus on Saturn causes loss of money and wealth, but the aspect of Saturn on Venus proves highly beneficial.
In other words, however strong and tactful the Venus be, it cannot over power the Saturn, which means there is no one to surpass our Rajat in looks and talent..The longevity of Saturn ( here the length of Rajat's career) can never be overtaken by any other planet in the Television orbit.

Karkuzhali/Astrologer.😆


Originally posted by: sashashyam

Trust you to think up something like this, Akka, so novel and amusing!👏 Soon you can bring Baby and Babloo into CN as well, which should liven things up!

Shukran and Shani in the same house? What would that mean for our boy wonder?

I am sorry that you are having so many difficulties in watching the show online, but it might be better to try Hotstar, or Voot. I understand that all Star Plus shows are available on Hotstar. It should be OK if you start about now and get hold of a good site, for the eariier episodes were hardly visual treats. 😆Now that Rajat has come in - though I was not at all satisfied with his intro- and Swetha as well, complete with a scene of her jumping into a well to save a goat😆 - you will need the visuals. I will check with my technically savvy friends and get back to you on this hotstar/voot point.

My writing... Akka dear, you have always been more than kind, and thank you all over again! But what I need is some way of typing faster, for at this rate I will be either spending 5-6 hours a day on these threads, which I cannot manage, or I will fall further and further behind. I do not know what to do.

Affectionately,

Shyamala

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Your posts are such a pleasure to read, my dear Shailaja, even, and in fact more when I do not agree with you. The part I liked the best here has been highlighted.

Only one point. The confrontations with his foster father and with Padmanand are not really comparable. The former are forced on him, the second is something he forces on Padmanand. Chandra does not "stand up to Padmanand". He initiates the tussle, which would otherwise have ended when Amatya Rakhshas endorse his explanation about the rajmudra. Such a deliberate confrontation being initiated by a young lad from so low down in the social order, and that too with a King, in those days is totally unthinkable.

As is all that follows. It was pure herogiri forced on the character by a shoddy script, right down to his triumphant exit. Which king would have let an impudent commoner brat like that get away with such behaviour? Not one. If nothing else, it would have set a very bad precedent vis a vis his praja, for his rule is based on fear, and such incidents would only encourage rebellion.It was all fairy tale nonsense.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: shailusri1983

Aunty I still stand my ground by Chandra. It was inconsistency on his part and could have cost him his life. But we are shown how things keep building up until things reach a breaking point as far as Chandra is concerned. Heavens bless this kid, he does a number of things and thinks in a fashion much beyond his age. He is a gifted kid. So he will definitely stand out wherever he is. But he is still at a stage where his identity formation nor his prioritization of goals in life are complete.

The problem with independent and talented kids is that they usually stay within their limits and attempt only what they are capable of pulling off but there could be occasions where after pulling out one feather after another out of their cap, they become cocky and overconfident and pull out a stunt like that where there is every possibility that it could go out of their hands. Chandra to do him justice initially thinks that he is actually doing a service to Nand by telling him about the goings on in his capital. This was a perfectly valid and good thing to try because he was an outsider to Magadh and was assuming all those excesses he saw being a handiwork of the soldiers.

But it is his behavior after he learns the truth that turns out to be uncharacteristic of what any adult would do in such a situation. Having potential and using it to the maximum are two different things. He has had no upbringing or proper guidance till now. That it where Chanakya comes in. Chandra is just like a river in spate. Most of his energies run in all directions, at times they water the fields, at times they destroy them with excess water and flooding, at times they go completely waste by emptying into the sea.

It was definitely not an aberration in Chandra's character arc according to me. Aunty getting the honey comb and the raid on the Senapati of Magadh are boyish adventures though they establish Chandra's real nature and characteristics to some extent. But as far as I am concerned, the true test of his character comes in his retorts to his step father and Padmanand. There he takes the beatings from his step father but is undeterred. He receives really painful physical blows from him and yet finds the courage and sauciness to reply. If not physically at least through his words. He will not take injustice lying down.

You might say the situation is different with Padmanand. I see the same kind of behavior being repeated in both the places; just a little more or a little less. But the pattern is the same. I think that is where both of us differ in our judgement of Chandra's bravura. You see him acting out of character taking into account his behavior and demeanor during his boyish exploits, I am seeing it in consonance with his behavior to his step father. It is a repetition of the same pattern and not a case of acting out of the character arc. Just my opinion of this scenario. Aunty I am happy that you gave your analysis and did not leave it. More on Chanakya some time later. I am running late!

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Thank you, my dear Ankit. I am so glad to find someone who really knows what a sine curve is! 😉Here is wishing you very good grades for your maths honours.

Well,as for Acharya Chanakya, I agree with you. But he lived up to your expectations last night, did he not? First he slapped Chandra, and then he sent Malayketu hungry to bed, though I must say his follow up mechanism is very poor, seeing that the chap was being fed by his chamchas anyway!😉

I would have wanted at least one more episode of the training sessions before the adult Chandra was brought in. A pity they were cut short so abruptly. I hope that now they will make up for that by showing extended teaching sessions and discussions between Chanakya and Chandra.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: ankit-pandey24

Once again great analysis Aunty
And i know what & how is sine curve-it is continuous as Sine is continuous function (I am doing graduation with maths honours)
I also thought same about Chandra character and that's why I said it filmy in that post by shailusri
Chanakya character is also well depicted here by you
ONE THING I WANT SAY-
Chanakya was very intense character and must be very rude towards his students from outside
But the way Chanakya was shown in CAS and till now in CN i.e. Quite polite and kind towards his students
And that's why many people can't connect with Chanakya in these shows and more to Chanakya of CGM and Dr C Diwedi Chanakya
Thank you for PM Aunty

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Posted: 8 years ago
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So true Aunty. Monday's episode clearly drives home the point about Chanakya. This brahmin is not taking any prisoners huh. Did you notice how Chandra kept his eyes lowered at all times? I shall wait for your next post to discuss the other things that struck me. 😉

Originally posted by: sashashyam

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Shyamala Aunty


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