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Posted: 10 years ago
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Hello guys, I hope you're all doing fine 😉

How to be just in polygamy - to wives and children?

Well, this question's been bugging me for quite a while. There's nothing wrong with polygamy, per se, but only as long as it's treaded carefully and there's justice and equality in such (a) relationship(s) which is anything but easy.

Bindusara loves Dharma, we know that. And yes, even in a polygamous marriage, it's obvious that the husband will love one wife more than the others. It's just how human nature functions- you can't love all wives equally, that's not possible. One can't break his heart into several, equally large pieces to give away. You can't control feelings. Yet, even such marriages can be successful (it's not impossible, as history tells), but how exactly?

I think it was a mistake on Bindusara's side to confess to Noor that he loves Dharma and won't be able to love anyone else (the same) - on their wedding night. That was simply insensitive of him and of course, Noor was shocked and angered by that. I'm not defending her or her hatred for Dharma whom she doesn't even know, but I believe that Bindusara approached that matter wrongly - which brings up another point: Should the husband tell his wives that he really loves only one of them or one more than the others? Is that wise? In my opinion, it's anything but.

He should treat them all equally - and their children, too. Even if he loves one more, he shouldn't show it in front of the others. He shouldn't prefer one wife over the other (or the child of one wife over another's, though that does also happen with only one wife, I guess) - that only brings about resentment and hatred. From what I have observed, Bindusara seems quite aloof, indifferent to his wives (and I'm talking only about the serial-Bindusara); even today when he was doing pooja with Charumitra, he was thinking about Dharma. Alright, one can't point to that as a mistake - but he is distant from his wives. That might also be a reason why the whole Noor-Justin affair started (which isn't an excuse, just a reason)- that she felt neglected. Un-loved. Or his 4th wife - she doesn't live with him, alright, but doesn't he ever go to visit her? I was just thinking that he probably didn't because he mentioned how much his son had grown since the last time he had seen him.

He doesn't even realize the hatred/rivalry between Noor and Charumitra or he doesn't pay much attention to it, dismissing it, somehow. Why else wouldn't he try to do something? This rivalry is obviously affecting his sons, too, and does see it. He said (Friday, I believe) that he wants love to grow between his sons - so, shouldn't he do something for it instead of letting his wives handle this? He sees what a brat Sushim is, but only sighs at him and hopes that Chanakya can help Sushim. Hence, he didn't even reproach him properly for the stunt with the knife he pulled on Siamak! It seems as if he prefers Sushim (since he's eldest) - though, he shouldn't have let him just be after seriously trying to kill (or hurt) his little brother.

The mothers have quite the influence over their sons, poisoning their minds - they're slipping away from their father and Bindusara doesn't even see it. That makes me wonder if he'd be more attentive towards Ashoka - as he's Dharma's son? He already likes him a lot not knowing that he's his son.

Dharma was right - Bindusara wants peace for his realm, yet doesn't notice or do anything against the tension and negative feelings within his own family.

And in this chaos, push in favourite wife Dharma and her son Ashoka. I doubt that Bindusara will be able or even try to hide his love for Dharma and thus, Ashoka. It will strengthen the hatred in Noor and Charumitra even more which they will focus on Dharma instead of each other, not to forget Sushim's jealousy of Ashoka (he's already hell bent on killing Ashoka).

Well, that is everything but a happy family, huh 😆 What are your thoughts on this?
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Posted: 10 years ago
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A brilliant post by any standards! If I were to talk about myself then I am a strong shipper of marriage being a private affair. I honestly believe that this relation stays between husband and wife and no third sphere should play a role in domineering either of spouses.


Talking about Bindusara then he had a huge empire to look after. And surest way of no mutiny is political alliance through marriages. But then again it is not easy as if seems. Polygamy instigates hate and jealousy among women bound by it. And this is the major reason behind empires falling apart for the mindset that governs these women is that if I can't then nobody should.


It is a natural human instinctive to be drawn to a person exclusively, and if that person in bound in a loop where such favoritism cannot be shown the matter aggravates and blows out of proportion. Bindusara's agramasi is Charumitra, she is the empress consort yet she feels pangs of jealousy when Bindusara spends his time with Noor. This has prompted her to resort to demonic ways. Noor on the other hand was dealt with a bit rough hands. Not that she is a saint but the way Bindusara openly confessed that he'll never be able to love her, it prompted her to take measures to safeguard her own interest. This is also the possible reason behind her toying with Justin to find solace for herself. Subhrashri on the other hand has accepted her fate that she can never have her own husband's love!



With all this equations playing out side by side, the only conclusion that can be drawn is polygamy can never be just to any woman. Firstly because it encourages a very negative competition between the women tied in this setting, thereby encouraging all political sabotages and conspiracies. Secondly it reduces the stand of woman in her own household. Since she has share not only her husband but all her rights with other women, it is painful at one level and humiliating at the other. Thirdly, the children born out of a polygamous relationship almost never have any healthy relation between them. Too many contenders for the throne means a sanguinary element out in motion.



The only conclusion that I can possibly draw here is that neither polygamy is just nor can a man be just in a polygamous relation. It is expected that a man treat all his wives with an equal card but that cannot be made possible.

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Posted: 10 years ago
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In short Ashok will find himself in a cresspool of mud and a quicksand when his lineage is revealed. Poor him!
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Posted: 10 years ago
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I don't know what contiloe wants to show..
But it is part if history that Ashoka was not the eldest or favorite son of bindu sara..his mother was a religious lady but she was not the favorite wife of the king..
Ashoka was brought up in the palace... Through out his childhood he was more able than his brothers.. He started leading the army to victories which made him more popular with masses and the army..
Bindu sara did not name him as his successor he named Sushima.. But Ashoka had the support of army and some ministers he killed Sushima and he killed all his stepbrothers to come to the throne..that is why he was Chandashok...
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Posted: 10 years ago
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I'm not defending her or her hatred for Dharma whom she doesn't even know, but I believe that Bindusara approached that matter wrongly - which brings up another point: Should the husband tell his wives that he really loves only one of them or one more than the others? Is that wise? In my opinion, it's anything but.

Answer:- Yes atleast by knowing the truth she doesnt have any false hope otherwise it will be more injustice done to noor.

He sees what a brat Sushim is, but only sighs at him and hopes that Chanakya can help Sushim. Hence, he didn't even reproach him properly for the stunt with the knife he pulled on Siamak! It seems as if he prefers Sushim (since he's eldest) - though, he shouldn't have let him just be after seriously trying to kill (or hurt) his little brother

Answer:- he did prefer Sushim over everyone i have read some where that ashok killed his 98 brothers to get the throne...

And not only charumitra or other wives dharma also got neglected by bundusar hence causing the rift between bindusar and ashok. Yousaid hiim to behave but it is already done you cant help and make bindusar like as a wish

My Verdict

Ashok and bindusar are always on a rift as dharma was always neglected by bindusar thats y ashok pledged to ascend the thorne by ny means.

beside he cant concentrate on his family he has to look after his whole empire that samrat chandragupt and chanakya made. this is the duty of the rani or wives of king to make their children well grown if they are poisioning he can guide cant do neything...
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Great post Ecstase...exactly my thoughts...😊This is the way things worked in those days.The harems of kings were places of greater conspiracy,hatred and rivalry than the courts.The queens exerted their power from inside the harem and also influenced prominent members of the court and hierarchy in getting things done in their favour...people like the manthris and Gurus also were involved in all these politics.I am sure no king was ever fair and just to all his wives n kids...its not humanly possible...Bindusara thinks he is in love with Dharma because she was not with him...but had they stayed together for 14 years I am sure she would also have been one among many and drawn unintentionally in to the dirty harem politics.Its murky ...the whole situation.Women those days were stronger mentally than their modern counterparts I feel because being in constant danger yourself as well as your kids every single day of your life and living through it all is no mean feet.👏
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a very well penned post😳
so this is what I feel - men and emotional analysis run in two different directions...they in general dont have a very high emotional quotient...and hence think its better to be straight forward - no matter the repercussions of their one saying/ act can lead to...

its better to be a jalebi (keep certain things hidden) at times as u rightly said, to keep things in peace. Basically bindusara here is just a weak person - a weak king, a weak husband, a weak father, a weak leader...he is kaan ka kaccha, he is lost into his own problems and is unnecessarily complicating things around him, blaming sushima for not being mature enough to handle an empire - but dude - did u ever sit down to explain and teach ur son on how to lead? how come he is unaware of charumitra's voodooo ways? he doesnt know where his chief queen is disappearing off too or doesnt care? he himself never tried to get dharma back to palace once he returns back, but is drunk and lol confesses his love to noor on their wedding night - lol at that time dharma was alive for him as well - why couldnt he just get her?😕

his indifference is the reason here atleast more than anyone else...
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: msin

I don't know what contiloe wants to show..

But it is part if history that Ashoka was not the eldest or favorite son of bindu sara..his mother was a religious lady but she was not the favorite wife of the king..
Ashoka was brought up in the palace... Through out his childhood he was more able than his brothers.. He started leading the army to victories which made him more popular with masses and the army..
Bindu sara did not name him as his successor he named Sushima.. But Ashoka had the support of army and some ministers he killed Sushima and he killed all his stepbrothers to come to the throne..that is why he was Chandashok...


I know that, dear 😊 I was only referring to the serial-Bindusara. As I have heard, the real Bindusara was indifferent to all his wives and probably even his children, though he did prefer Sushim over the others. But the serial-Bindusara isn't portrayed as completely indifferent since he does have affections, e.g. his love for Dharma, and a sense for justice, too. That's why I brought up this subject - it only refers to the serial (though, historically seen, his indifference might have been the reason for the chaos that ensured within his own family, later on...) 😉
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: dhruvika1991

1.) Should the husband tell his wives that he really loves only one of them or one more than the others? Is that wise? In my opinion, it's anything but.


Answer:- Yes atleast by knowing the truth she doesnt have any false hope otherwise it will be more injustice done to noor.

2.) It seems as if he prefers Sushim (since he's eldest) - though, he shouldn't have let him just be after seriously trying to kill (or hurt) his little brother

Answer:- he did prefer Sushim over everyone i have read some where that ashok killed his 98 brothers to get the throne...

3.) And not only charumitra or other wives dharma also got neglected by bundusar hence causing the rift between bindusar and ashok. Yousaid hiim to behave but it is already done you cant help and make bindusar like as a wish

My Verdict

4.) Ashok and bindusar are always on a rift as dharma was always neglected by bindusar thats y ashok pledged to ascend the thorne by ny means.

5.) beside he cant concentrate on his family he has to look after his whole empire that samrat chandragupt and chanakya made. this is the duty of the rani or wives of king to make their children well grown if they are poisioning he can guide cant do neything...


Hello 😉

1.) Well, I guess that's debateable. Though, you're right, his honesty could keep Noor from hoping for more than she could have. But the question still remains: Was it wise to reveal this on their wedding night? Why not before the wedding? Or later? I don't know it just felt so insensitive of him how he revealed it to Noor - and why only her? If he wants to be honest so that his wives don't have false hopes, he should have told Charumitra, too, shouldn't he? And he should make clear that even if he loves Dharma, he will treat them equally.

2.) Yes, I also read about the 98 brothers being killed. That does cast a dubious light on Ashoka, doesn't it? And makes you wonder what went wrong with that family that Ashoka killed almost all his brothers (only) for the throne. I'm curious how they'll portray it in the show - probably make all the brothers evil and whatnot to justify their deaths... 🤔

3.) I know that 😊 I was talking only about the serial-Bindusara not the real one. And obviously, I can't change him to my wishes - but I can examine his character, nothing wrong with that. And yes, I'm analyzing Bindusara here, but the same points I raised up can be transferred for any man in a polygamous marriage - hardly anyone manages to make such a relationship work really well.

4.) As I said, yes, I know. But my post was mainly referring to serial-Bindusara. It could also be said about the real one, including Dharma on the list of neglected wives - because, obviously, something went very wrong in that family.

5.) That thought came to my mind, too. But is that a good enough excuse? I mean, yes, he is Samrat, but still... If he wanted to spend time with his children, for example, he could take out some hours of the day. A Samrat has advisors, too, people he trusts, representatives and it's not a time of war - there are means for him to spend time with his family. To realize that there are tensions and ill-feelings, that his sons are slipping away from him. And if he really wants Sushim to be his successor, it's his job to ensure that his son knows what it means to be Samrat and to show him the right way in that regard.

And I don't know - can a Samrat who doesn't even realize the problems within his own family handle successfully a whole empire? I don't say that he's a bad Samrat because he can't handle his family, that's not fair. But he doesn't even notice the seriousness of the tensions between his wives and sons!
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Originally posted by: chicchocchic

Great post Ecstase...exactly my thoughts...😊This is the way things worked in those days.The harems of kings were places of greater conspiracy,hatred and rivalry than the courts.The queens exerted their power from inside the harem and also influenced prominent members of the court and hierarchy in getting things done in their favour...people like the manthris and Gurus also were involved in all these politics.I am sure no king was ever fair and just to all his wives n kids...its not humanly possible...Bindusara thinks he is in love with Dharma because she was not with him...but had they stayed together for 14 years I am sure she would also have been one among many and drawn unintentionally in to the dirty harem politics.Its murky ...the whole situation.Women those days were stronger mentally than their modern counterparts I feel because being in constant danger yourself as well as your kids every single day of your life and living through it all is no mean feet.👏


Thank you 😳 Yes, I guess that was just the situation, back then. And it's not only the harem of the king - most men can't handle a polygamous marriage, I think. Hm, that's a reason I find those times quite interesting - all the conspiracies, court-politics and everything. Though, I wouldn't want to live in such an environment 😆

Those situations are kinda sad. The wives probably did what they thought best for their kids, but still... Why marry so many women, to begin with? I believe Bindusara had around 12 wives in real. Obviously, he wouldn't habe been able to focuse on all of them and on their children, too. But in the serial, we have only seen 4 (and I doubt that they will show all 12) and each seems to have only one son - so, in this case it's not impossible for him to pay attention to all of them. At least, he could try to bring Sushim on the right path as he wants him to be his successor- how could you, as a normal citizen, trust a Samrat who could kill his own brother without any thought?

At least, the 4th wife seems to be positive, too, and not only Dharma 😆 I don't like it if other characters are shown evil only to make the good ones look even better...

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