Kartik and Pashmina break up - Page 12

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

So 2 violent women said something about him, and you claim he was violent to all women. How does that compute when there is video evidence of the ladies being violent?

The models he was dating - what was his status in Bollywood when he dated them? Since 2019, he's been with the nepo girls. Before that, he was just a hopeful actor. So how is this power differential?

Let's say you're right. What exactly is the evidence you're citing he wasn't good to them besides the fact he broke up with them?

Pashmina is Hrithik Roshan's cousin, no? Not powerless either. Since the whole *Karthik is violent* rumor started with that, other than the 2 known abusers - Jahnavi and Sara - we should know that story as well, right?

Treating women like trash. By breaking up? Jeez, breakups happen for a 100 reasons. That's not trashy unless there are other reasons to actually call it trashy. Even then, that's not what you're claiming. You're in fact saying he's violent with women. It's a criminal offense.

It's not cool to accuse people of criminality without evidence. All Bollywood men are violent is not evidence. It's generalization.

Proof of violence is what a woman in an actual powerless situation like Aishwarya did. She went to the police against an actual abuser like Salma Khan. He was actually plenty powerful by the time it happened.

Let's not misuse feminism and the very real issue of domestic violence against an actor simply because we don't like him. It's immoral, unethical, and sets the cause of feminism back by decades to make false accusations. Make a statement to the cops like Aishwarya did if it actually happened.

Look. I know a few people he has dated, and they did not have great things to say. Making them do every single thing he wants them to do, being super controlling - that's treating women like trash by the way. The same way Ranbir Kapoor and Shahid were called out here. I didn't say he was violent, I said he was emotionally manipulative as I have evidence of that.

Believe if you want, or don't. These are regular people/civilians I am talking about, so obviously I won't speak for them in a public forum, but their feelings are posted online. Kartik has exclusively been publicizing his nepo relationships since 2020, but he's still having flings and relationships with regular women/models. They're just not being leaked. This is the same with every actor/actress.

Also, Sara has only hinted at him being controlling. Janhvi has not spoken about her relationship with KA much, and she's moved on with her steady boyfriend. So Kartik has not actually been accused of violence by either woman. [Sonam has liked the OI blind, but JK has not accused him of anything]

I don't know anything about Pashmina. They don't seem to have fallen out either, so I don't think she factors in this.

Who said I was talking about accusing Kartik of domestic violence? We only know of that one blind. I said that I believed Kartik was controlling, and he didn't respect his partners. I never said anything about DV because that is a serious crime. I said he was controlling and I believed Varun.

However, I said you can't compare DV [even accusations of it] to stupid actions done during promotions without the intent to harm.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Oh, OK. Sorry😆 I was wondering what happened to you.

I would also tell people to go to hell if someone tried to tell me how to dress. But the dressing in salwar thing happened with Ishaan IIRC. Same as PC and Kareena had to turn vegetarian for Shaheed.

I was reading the thread from the start and was replying to GoGo's post..😆..See I didn't follow Kartik that much...just whatever is written here is what I know....so I didn't know half the things in this thread.....what a revelation...but trust me....I will never bash any actor if I feel they don't deserve it even if they are the ones I don't like....and I know you do the same....because I have seen you defend Ranbir so many times.....so its all good sistah..😆

Originally posted by: VimalPanMasala

Look. I know a few people he has dated, and they did not have great things to say. Making them do every single thing he wants them to do, being super controlling - that's treating women like trash by the way. The same way Ranbir Kapoor and Shahid were called out here. I didn't say he was violent, I said he was emotionally manipulative as I have evidence of that.

Believe if you want, or don't. These are regular people/civilians I am talking about, so obviously I won't speak for them in a public forum, but their feelings are posted online. Kartik has exclusively been publicizing his nepo relationships since 2020, but he's still having flings and relationships with regular women/models. They're just not being leaked. This is the same with every actor/actress.

Also, Sara has only hinted at him being controlling. Janhvi has not spoken about her relationship with KA much, and she's moved on with her steady boyfriend. So Kartik has not actually been accused of violence by either woman. [Sonam has liked the OI blind, but JK has not accused him of anything]

I don't know anything about Pashmina. They don't seem to have fallen out either, so I don't think she factors in this.

Who said I was talking about accusing Kartik of domestic violence? We only know of that one blind. I said that I believed Kartik was controlling, and he didn't respect his partners. I never said anything about DV because that is a serious crime. I said he was controlling and I believed Varun.

However, I said you can't compare DV [even accusations of it] to stupid actions done during promotions without the intent to harm.

All right. That too is a blind (the controlling part), but it's not accusing him of a criminal act. I can see Jahnavi and Sara not willing to be controlled. Why would they?

The domestic abuse part is where I draw the line at believing without hard evidence.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Looked up their birthdays.

Alia will be 30 in March 2023

Kiara is already 30

Kriti is 32

Tripti Damri was born in 1994. She is actually 28. The youngest of the lot.

But you proved me right. The attacks are starting with her age when she actually happens to be younger than the rest😆

Tripti has cut a year off her age. I have followed her since her struggling days on Youtube, and have known of her for 5 years, so she's closer to 30. One year doesn't make a difference though, her personal image is more important.

Tripti is being shown as a fashion-conscious, elegant woman: this image clashes with Manushi, Kiara, Kriti. Acting wise, her name is brought up with Mrunal and Sanya. Hence their PR are more likely to attack + Alia. If she was 3 years younger, she would have been jumped by all the nepo PR though.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

All right. That too is a blind (the controlling part), but it's not accusing him of a criminal act. I can see Jahnavi and Sara not willing to be controlled. Why would they?

The domestic abuse part is where I draw the line at believing without hard evidence.

Even I did not say I believed the domestic violence part. I said that Janhvi and Sara's stupid PR tactics doesn't mean they couldn't be victims of partners who took advantage.

Also, you're forgetting one thing about the nepo girls JK and SAK. They're going through career turmoil they didn't expect: understandable they were easily controllable

Jhanvi was by far the most coddled person in her family (despite being the older sister). She was the golden child, at every big Bollywood event, and she fully expected to do well in BW. Dhadak gave her a shock because...she was bad. It's a no brainer for us, but she was obviously not expecting it. Her personal self-image took a hit.

Her sister seems to have some sense and steered her back to people who cared for her. But it is understandable why JK fell hard and fast. Heck, smarter people were acting like idiots around Ranbir and Sid last decade.

Sara is sheltered in a different way. She placed her self-importance on Columbia, and she is clearly tone deaf about the wants/needs of the public. Sara started off great, but made many public blunders and deep down, SAK knew her image was mostly PR manufactured, so she was struggling to live up to it, and she couldn't because...again her acting is weaker.

You'd be shocked at how even the most confident men and women could become part of a controlling relationship, (Vidya???). Love bombing is real.

Originally posted by: Clochette

I dislike this generalization...I, for example, did nothing of that...

Wasn't Sushant a so-called outsider, too? There is a lot written here (or elsewhere) that reminds me of the slander directed towards him.

The skit may not be to the taste of many (didn't he delete it?), but making it a kind of proof of a negative opinion one has about him, is - imo - quite narrow-minded and/or far-fetched.

For the rest, there seem to be nothing but defamatory rumors...

Sushant started getting systematic blinds against him after he disagreed with his own PR agency, and Rohini Iyer. Spice then promoted their other stars over Sushant, and threw him under the bus in a way he couldn't recover. I don't think Kartik is in that position, his team is quite solid.

A lot of Kartik's messy dating pre-2018 was actually caught on instagram stories (because his cousin is an US influencer [S]. Since then, KA has been more discreet.

Originally posted by: VimalPanMasala

Even I did not say I believed the domestic violence part. I said that Janhvi and Sara's stupid PR tactics doesn't mean they couldn't be victims of partners who took advantage.

Also, you're forgetting one thing about the nepo girls JK and SAK. They're going through career turmoil they didn't expect: understandable they were easily controllable

Jhanvi was by far the most coddled person in her family (despite being the older sister). She was the golden child, at every big Bollywood event, and she fully expected to do well in BW. Dhadak gave her a shock because...she was bad. It's a no brainer for us, but she was obviously not expecting it. Her personal self-image took a hit.

Her sister seems to have some sense and steered her back to people who cared for her. But it is understandable why JK fell hard and fast. Heck, smarter people were acting like idiots around Ranbir and Sid last decade.

Sara is sheltered in a different way. She placed her self-importance on Columbia, and she is clearly tone deaf about the wants/needs of the public. Sara started off great, but made many public blunders and deep down, SAK knew her image was mostly PR manufactured, so she was struggling to live up to it, and she couldn't because...again her acting is weaker.

You'd be shocked at how even the most confident men and women could become part of a controlling relationship, (Vidya???). Love bombing is real.

Sara has got a rocking career… she is a lambi race ka ghoda… all the good directors like Imtiaz Ali, abhishek kapoor, Anand L Rai, Laxhman Uttekar and now Anurag Basu wants to work with her… it means directors believe she is not a bad actor. And Sara is a confident gal… whats wrong with being angry with ur ex… every girl or a boy who break up are angry with each other… there was a phase when she was angry with Kartik..but she never maligned him in front of public… ek do idhar udhar ke statements se koi faraq nahiii padta…now they both are friends again… it shows they both hv moved on…

Originally posted by: BirdieNumNum

nope. The way these words are thrown around, by now we should have more misogynists, homophobes and racists than people living in existence. Like two or three times more.😆

problem with that is it cheapens and undermines the effect of those words. Should be used very very carefully!!!

You don’t think KJo’s caricature’ish portrayal of homosexuals in his movies is homophobia? You don’t think him only asking women about career and family but not men is not misogynistic? You don’t think his movies always portraying other cultures beneath Indian is not racists? Hell, some of his movies even plays to the stereotype within different Indian ethnicities.

And you don’t think making a joke about throwing a woman out the window over bad food is not problematic and misogynistic?

Saying that we should use these words carefully to me is code for let’s not call out every racist and misogynist on their crap because that’s too much work and it becomes too big of a hassle, let’s just wait until something big happens and then we can talk about it.

Originally posted by: rushi1981

Sara has got a rocking career… she is a lambi race ka ghoda… all the good directors like Imtiaz Ali, abhishek kapoor, Anand L Rai, Laxhman Uttekar and now Anurag Basu wants to work with her… it means directors believe she is not a bad actor. And Sara is a confident gal… whats wrong with being angry with ur ex… every girl or a boy who break up are angry with each other… there was a phase when she was angry with Kartik..but she never maligned him in front of public… ek do idhar udhar ke statements se koi faraq nahiii padta…now they both are friends again… it shows they both hv moved on…

They are not friends at all. Sara is cordial to him because unlike Janhvi, who has the full support of her family, Sara can't exactly rely on Saif. He left her out to dry during the SSR case. Sara's not stupid career wise, especially since Kartik shaded her so much, he cropped her performance out of his stories. Also her relationship with Gill is going decently.

Sara is working with top directors, and is getting paid the most, but her personal acting portfolio has been stained by being called by the NCB + not improving, so casual moviegoers are bashing her. This means that when Suhana debuts this year, Sara is in ...danger.

Problem is, people have high expectations from every nepo rn (because only nepos are debuting in high levels). There's no way she's going to perform to expectations. Also many of her projects went to OTT. Sara's market value decreased over the pandemic. JK hit her low with GS, and is now rising. Ananya was doing the best pre-GH, and now it depends on how bad Liger will affect her, but she's also rising from disaster SOTY2.

Ibrahim's debut is bound to make a splash in a way that will hurt Sara's market value. Siblings cannot survive together in BW.

People get into relationships and break up.These are all adults who are manipulative and want to succeed in the entertainment industry.

Most relationship can also be pr driven. There was suddenly a of talk of Karthik and Pashmina before Freddy release and then post the break up

Smart of Karthik to release Freddy on ott, as it got mixed reviews and would not have been a hit. The only thing common was that Karthik received huge acclaim for trying something different.

The whole kwk episode of Jhanvi and Sara was poorly done. It was supposed to be the new Deepika and Sonam episode but got backfired for the 2 of them.

Ranbir himself confessed he was a player and his father's rantings didn't help nor his mother's antics. Deepika played it so smartly that she got sympathy and Ranbir image took a hit

With Sara as she got a bit of sympathy from everyone the way Karan treated her , Jhanvi got a lot of chances because of Sridevi and the tragedy but her acting and screen presence was so bad that people do not like her. Plus they never actually mentioned what the problem was so the perception was that they were ganging up against Karthik especially as there was this whole Dharma vs Karthik that went on

Karthik is not innocent or naive. His image is that of a middle class boy and no comments from his family or friends on his relationships has helped him. He is a decent actor and dancer and has great comic timing.

He has delivered box office success unlike Sara and Jhanvi. He is smart and made his pr is the outsider who is making it big among nepo kids.

He has also not bad mouthed anyone publicly and being very smart about it. How he is in a relationship no one knows

But yes there is definitely rival pr who will point out about his relationships etc, etc

No one is an angel in Bollywood.