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Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

It's not about being politically correct. Portraying sexism and misogyny and abuse while not condoning them is quite possible.

The heroic BGM music for example. Or showing the *hero* getting payback. Or simply not showing abusive jerks in a sympathetic light.

Eons ago, there was a Malayalam movie which showed a doctor who was busy with a spiraling pregnant patient whose life she saved. Doctor missed her daughter's birthday party. When she got home, doctor's hubby slapped her across the face for not being a good mother.

Other characters were fully supportive of hubby. I believe wifey doctor eventually realizes her grievous error of stopping to save a pregnant woman and her unborn baby when she should've been at the birthday party.

Up to and including the slap, it was reality. The rest was justification of misogyny and abuse. I could cite so many such examples from 1980s/90s Malayalam movies.

That's what I said, in reality sometimes the jerks gets sympathetic support. Forget about movie . You might have heard about the recent failed love affair related murder in Kannur. A young women was brutally murdered by her Ex just because the girl ended their relationship. I was observing the reaction of general public and it was like the girl deserved death as she dumped him for her new boyfriend.Immediately after the murderer was caught , a Professor of CUSAT posted that "Aval Techu, Avan Ottichu" which means she broke up and he killed.After few days of the murder the girls last phonecall with Shyamjith( the name of murderer )was leaked . In which it was clear that she wanted to end the relationship amicably because of the adjustmental problems and guy's reaction was very immature but apparently it gained lots of sympathy.If you check the comments in social media you will see that 90 % comments supporting the culprit.Some were even blaming the girl for spoiling his life . The unfortunate girl lost her life because of that jerk as a result he will rotten in jail and people are blaming the girl for his actions. What I meant is the sad reality is toxic masculinity is either celebrated,normalised or get sympathy. The famous proposal scene of Narasimham is equally toxic, but I have seen women praising the proposal scene.

As someone said , Kantara has many flaws , the main hero is a jerk and the whole impact is in last 20 seconds but there is no other way the same story can be narrated especially about that community.

Originally posted by: Kamala05

That's what I said, in reality sometimes the jerks gets sympathetic support. Forget about movie . You might have heard about the recent failed love affair related murder in Kannur. A young women was brutally murdered by her Ex just because the girl ended their relationship. I was observing the reaction of general public and it was like the girl deserved death as she dumped him for her new boyfriend.Immediately after the murderer was caught , a Professor of CUSAT posted that "Aval Techu, Avan Ottichu" which means she broke up and he killed.After few days of the murder the girls last phonecall with Shyamjith( the name of murderer )was leaked . In which it was clear that she wanted to end the relationship amicably because of the adjustmental problems and guy's reaction was very immature but apparently it gained lots of sympathy.If you check the comments in social media you will see that 90 % comments supporting the culprit.Some were even blaming the girl for spoiling his life . The unfortunate girl lost her life because of that jerk as a result he will rotten in jail and people are blaming the girl for his actions. What I meant is the sad reality is toxic masculinity is either celebrated and get sympathy. The famous proposal scene of Narasimham is equally toxic, but I have seen women praising the proposal scene.

As someone said , Kantara has many flaws , the main hero is a jerk and the whole impact is in last 20 seconds but there is no other way the same story can be narrated especially about that community.

Reflecting real life is one thing. Movie justifying evil that happens in real life is another.

I haven't seen Kantara and don't intend to, but I have seen enough Hindi/south films to know what people mean when they claim Kantara justifies misogyny.

Mirch Masala portrays plenty of misogyny. Women in it also are shown to support patriarchy. Where the film stops itself is portrayal of that patriarchy. It is no way justifies the physical, emotional, and sexual abuse which was reality of those circumstances.

What people are saying is Kantara justifies, even romanticizes, that abuse. Which makes it a bad piece of art.

Lemme put it another way.

Let's say an adivasi boy, a shudra boy, or some other lower caste boy is brutally abused in a movie. Let's say the boy and his family accept it. The village also accepts it. Let's say the film is set in 70s/80s in some village. That's reality even now in some places. We all know it.

Now, let's imagine the film has heroic BGM accompanying the upper caste hero's actions when he assaults the adivasi boy. Let's also imagine the film's plot justifying casteism. Tell me this will happen in a 2022 film. I can guarantee you it won't.

But somehow, when it comes to women, this approach gets a free pass with the excuse that it's reality.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Reflecting real life is one thing. Movie justifying evil that happens in real life is another.

They didnt justify the eve teasing at all. He knew it was wrong, She was angry at him and he was shit scared when she brought along her father the next day. The next time he pushes her is when he thinks she betrayed the villagers for the sake of her job, for which his mother hits him. Throughout the movie and the character development, his mother is always cursing him for his ways.

I haven't seen Kantara and don't intend to, but I have seen enough Hindi/south films to know what people mean when they claim Kantara justifies misogyny.

What people are saying is Kantara justifies, even romanticizes, that abuse. Which makes it a bad piece of art.

No, it doesn't romanticize. The girl doesn't like him till he helps her with her job, there is a whole song where their relationship develops. They know each other from childhood.

Lemme put it another way.

Let's say an adivasi boy, a shudra boy, or some other lower caste boy is brutally abused in a movie. Let's say the boy and his family accept it. The village also accepts it. Let's say the film is set in 70s/80s in some village. That's reality even now in some places. We all know it.

Now, let's imagine the film has heroic BGM accompanying the upper caste hero's actions when he assaults the adivasi boy. Let's also imagine the film's plot justifying casteism. Tell me this will happen in a 2022 film. I can guarantee you it won't.

What are you talking about? Main lead is an adivasi. He isn't an upper caste hero. He isn't educated. Yes he is shown as a larger than life character who fights when wronged, be it when they cheat him out of Bull race, or when he thinks the Forest officer is making his own rules to troubling the villagers. But when he realizes the main culprit is his boss, he saves and fights along side the forest officer. He fights against his boss's goons when they try to kill him. And the movie is set in 1960s-1990s.

Not sure what BGM you are talking about. If its from the trailer(since you haven't watched the movie), its definitely not the same in the movie. The BGM is during the kola ritual.Plz share what BGM you are talking about.

But somehow, when it comes to women, this approach gets a free pass with the excuse that it's reality.

The movie is just ok other than the first 15 mins and the brilliant last 30 mins. It has its flaws. Other than that its a typical masala movie about an uneducated guy who is basically useless in the beginning and how his character slowly develops into an enlightened person who knows his purpose in life. Every time he did something bad, he is haunted by bad dreams of the demigod. He is running away from his purpose in life and doing everything it takes to not become like his father..

I don't know why ppl are comparing these movies. Not sure why Kashmir files or Tumbadd ppl are associating themselves with Kantara.

Also the movie doesn't even have a Pan Indian appeal, its a small community's real culture and story but somehow ppl connected with it and liked it.

Originally posted by: AageBadho

The movie is just ok other than the first 15 mins and the brilliant last 30 mins. It has its flaws. Other than that its a typical masala movie about an uneducated guy who is basically useless in the beginning and how his character slowly develops into an enlightened person who knows his purpose in life. Every time he did something bad, he is haunted by bad dreams of the demigod. He is running away from his purpose in life and doing everything it takes to not become like his father..

I don't know why ppl are comparing these movies. Not sure why Kashmir files or Tumbadd ppl are associating themselves with Kantara.

Also the movie doesn't even have a Pan Indian appeal, its a small community's real culture and living but somehow ppl connected with it and liked it. Now all groups are hating on it because its a hit. The woke ppl, the other South movies fans, BW fans, feminists because it wasn't as good as it was hyped to be or shows objectionable actions.

As I said in one of my posts, I haven't seen Kantara.

Point I was making about adivasi or lower caste was not specifically about Kantara's characters. It was a general observation.

Point is no film would dare justify violence against adivasis or turn it eventually into a romance. Not in 2022 in any movie.

But it happens in the case of women in multiple movies even in today's day and age. Your own description of what happens between male and female leads in the movie tells me it happens in Kantara. A woman falls for an abusive man after he helps her.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

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I haven't seen Kantara and don't intend to, but I have seen enough Hindi/south films to know what people mean when they claim Kantara justifies misogyny.

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What people are saying is Kantara justifies, even romanticizes, that abuse. Which makes it a bad piece of art.

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Yaar next time kisi piece of art ko bad bolne ke pehle ek baari dekhlo please. Woh artists jinhone woh piece of art banaya hai apna khoon pasina lagake, use despise karne ke pehle dekh lo. Itna deserve karte hain woh.

Btw I enjoyed the movie, it's unlike anything I've seen before. And I'm sorry I couldn't see in theater, but I only had a dubbed version playing near me, hence the OTT watch.

When things are not interpreted in the appropriate cultural context they are bound to reach incorrect conclusions.

Secondly this phrase "Toxic masculinity" is being overused.

Both movies were great but this kind of statement from anand gandhi defntly he is jelous btw nobody knew who anand gandhi was. !!!! Before this tweet !!!