Another insider opines on nepotism & entitlement, and it’s a doozy - Page 6

Originally posted by: BirdieNumNum

also, for someone to say its their private money is actually very cynical. No one operates in a vacuum. The private money that someone has made is always because there was an enabling/ societal environment that allowed them to make it. And forget about KJO or SRK, it applies even to the biggest guys in the world... like bezos or musk. Without the tech infrastructure and the universities that gave them brilliant engineers, they wouldn't have made it. If they were to turn around and behave selfishly, they will soon have their wings clipped by the govt. In this case, BW is often clamoring for concessions and special industry recognition from the govt. Govt should withhold those if these guys behave in unprofessional ways which is what nepotism is. The tax payers (thru their govt) should not be funding or supporting idiotic selfish behavior, directly or indirectly.

I'm glad someone finally touched upon the issue of how "private" money is not so private, after all. No one does it alone and the oh-so private Bollywood is not above using tax schemes or sucking up to politicians (in ways which can best be described as cringeworthy and vomit-inducing).

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Re: market. Exactly. You're finally getting around to understanding. Nepotism is not about ethics or morality. KJo and other producers are free to do what they want. If market doesn't want to see nepo kids, market will stop buying tickets.

Laugh all you want, but you got it all wrong. KJO and other nepotism enablers do have an ethics (helping our own, privileged circle) and morality (we despise outsiders), just not the kind of ethics and morality that would be laudable. Didn't Kalank prove that KJO's care about nepos prevailed over the care about box office? That neoliberal fairy tale you're spinning simply doesn't hold water.

Originally posted by: BirdieNumNum

also, for someone to say its their private money is actually very cynical. No one operates in a vacuum. The private money that someone has made is always because there was an enabling/ societal environment that allowed them to make it. And forget about KJO or SRK, it applies even to the biggest guys in the world... like bezos or musk. Without the tech infrastructure and the universities that gave them brilliant engineers, they wouldn't have made it. If they were to turn around and behave selfishly, they will soon have their wings clipped by the govt. In this case, BW is often clamoring for concessions and special industry recognition from the govt. Govt should withhold those if these guys behave in unprofessional ways which is what nepotism is. The tax payers (thru their govt) should not be funding or supporting idiotic selfish behavior, directly or indirectly.

this is the main point, film industry is technically not an industry, there are no benefits, regulation on work condition, black money, tax evasion it is like one of those black market businesses, then to claim any benefit the way an IT, banking does is not done. also tax concessions should not be given unless it adopts industry standards while demanding industry status

but broadly I agree, their money and they are free to do employ whom they like, i mean even azim premji and narayana murthy kids joined their businesses but in hindi film industry their seems to be a concerted effort by one group to push away and bully anybody new which is not done and has led to this outcry about nepotism

To get back to living examples:

Where do you draw the line between nepotistic behaviour and just the kid of an actor/director becoming also an actor in the filmindustry?

I agree with him 100% percent..

What did he say?

Only on IF is nepotism justified and then you wonder why people get mad when they said PR is here only

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Isn't that why we pay taxes and do charity? If 100% of what we earned were to go to society, there would be no incentive for growth. Because at the end of the day, most growth happens because of self interest.

Yeah, art suffers in Bollywood. But I would imagine production houses can take losses only for so long because they start to look at what's going wrong. I'd hope they understand nepotism is a big chunk of it.

I think pre OTT and covid they played the TINA card

example, earlier you had a choice between outsiders and an industry entrant, example karisma, raveena, vs manisha koirala you could have chosen, also shahrukh akshay vs a sanjay kapoor or aamir or akshay

further back it was nutan vs madhubala vs waheeda and so on

now there is barely any choice it is alia vs jhanvi vs sara vs ananya

but ott, youtube washed that facade away and exposed audience to multiple stuff and now these people can't just compete in their little world and crown the "best" the winner which is what they have to acceot

Originally posted by: Shaitan-Haiwan

Only on IF is nepotism justified and then you wonder why people get mad when they said PR is here only

You know how very immature that idea is that to think that big production houses will have PR in a BW forum with 30 odd members...that is a bad business practice😆....Its one thing to disagree with a member but totally childish to accuse them of being a PR.....just like its immature and childish to ask members...do you know them personally....did they tell you themselves...were you present there when it happened...😆

Originally posted by: Shaitan-Haiwan

Only on IF is nepotism justified and then you wonder why people get mad when they said PR is here only

This remark seems to me to be a proof of very selective reading...

Nepotism isn't new to mankind...I even think that it exists as long as families became a kind of institution and clans were built to propel own interests.

I simply would like to know where some members here draw the line between nepotism and genuine interest of kids to work in the same field as (one of) the parents.

Originally posted by: blue-ice.1

You know how very immature that idea is that to think that big production houses will have PR in a BW forum with 30 odd members...that is a bad business practice😆....Its one thing to disagree with a member but totally childish to accuse them of being a PR.....just like its immature and childish to ask members...do you know them personally....did they tell you themselves...were you present there when it happened...😆

You’d be surprised 😉

Originally posted by: Clochette

To get back to living examples:

Where do you draw the line between nepotistic behaviour and just the kid of an actor/director becoming also an actor in the filmindustry?

I am somewhere in between....I understand that parents want to fulfill the desire of their kids to become an actor and promote them...I don't like people like KJO going overboard with it......but every parent wants to give their child the best ...nothing wrong with it.....

and also to those saying that SRKians are proud of SRK being a self made actor but on the other hand think its OK that parents promote their kids....why not?? The two are not mutually exclusive...If i want to support my child and look down on another parent supporting their's...it will be hypocrisy...

My stand on this issue for the last 10 years has been the same......people say we do it because of SRK's kids....well even the Govt...makes paanch varshiya yojana....and we are being accused of making a dus varshiya yojana??🤣......kyonki dus saal bad SRK ke bachhe bhi work karenge industry mein...so i will start supporting abhi se.😆....the things you read on this forum🤣and I am not talking ainwayi.....all my posts are here...nikaalo aur dekh lo......my stand on things remains the same for most of the part..😊