Why is 2002 such a bad year for Bollywood? - Page 4

Originally posted by: atominis

Yaadein is his first flop? Were Mission Kashmir and Fiza, released before Yaadein, hits? 🤣

Anyway, Aamir had no releases in 2019 or 2003, 2002, 2004 as he was on a break then. SRK had no release in 2019.

So no point in comparing those years in which one had no competition from seniors.

They weren't flops (even BOI couldn't contort their B.O. enough to make them flops) and they weren't released in 2001. Mission Kashmir was a record opener that out opened Mohabbatein in a clash. It was the 3rd highest grosser of the year.

SRK hasn't had a hit since 2014, what does it matter that he released no film in 2019? Aamir's last film was in 2018 - Thugs - a disaster. Salman (who until 2017 had the best decade by far) had two films - a semi-hit and a flop in 2019.

But even with Salman releasing two films War doesn't count according to you because any year when not all three Khans release films a non Khan film doesn't count toward HGOTY. 🤣

Salman did okay with Bharat. His films are solo starrers. Unlike multi starrer with younger upcoming hero like Tiger Shroff.

Anyway you can count Salman since he did have releases in 2019. I only referred to years like 2003, 2004, 2019 when likes of Aamir had no releases. And SRK had no release in 2019 either. Otherwise it is known how Hrithik beat Khans fair and square in 2000 and 2006, when all actors had releases and none was on a hiatus.

I am not talking about 2001 only. I just responded to your sentence calling Yaadein Hrithik's first flop though he had Mission Kashmir and Fiza before them and both these films fizzled out after opening, could not sustain. Back then they were considered flops only by mainstream trade journals and media. Though now people can call them average or 'underperformers'.

Koyla did moderate business. It is not outright disaster.

King Uncle also did well and was not a disaster. It was no super hit but not a clean flop either.

Khudgarz, KBM, Kishen Kanhaiya are hits. KBM is HGOTY on some trade journals.

Salman was having MPK, Saajan, Sanam Bewafa, Patthar ke Phool, HAHK behind him when he signed Karan Arjun. How can it be said he was not as big when he signed Karan Arjun? Even SRK had Deewana, Baazigar, Darr behind him when he signed Karan Arjun. Salman was definitely an established big star when he signed the film and SRK was upcoming newcomer.

Rakesh Roshan makes films that suit Hrithik and are tailor made for him, showcase him and his abilities. He did launch him with fanfare in KNPH, and it is not false that HR was giving less successful films post KNPH and his only success was K3G post KNPH, which is a multi starrer. It is papa's KMG which gave him solo superhit in 2003. He again had flop like Lakshya. Papa gave him Krissh which again brought him back to reckoning at BO.

He has given hits like Jodha Akbar, ZNMD, War, D2 etc but it cannot be denied his biggest hits as a solo hero earlier came from his dad. These are films which made him craze among masses in a way no other film except Dhoom 2 gave him. Can't discount Roshan sr's contribution in first making HR a craze among masses including kids. Hrithik's career would be significantly different if not for tailor made films and roles his dad gave him. His career would have been totally different if not for KNPH, KMG, Krissh series and Dhoom 2 (out of which only D2 is a non family production film).

In recent years of course War, ZNMD, Super 30 etc did well but that was not what the argument was about. It was about early 2000s and the missed target of 'new emperor of Bollywood' that media had hyped him to be. That did not quite happen despite his success.

A few issues with the discussion here:

1. Fiza and Mission Kashmir were not flops. Did they underwhelm at the box office, compared to KNPH and the hype that came after that? Yes. But comparing Fiza and Mission Kashmir to KNPH is an apples to oranges comparison. Fiza is an artsy film with a nuanced portrayal of a controversial and sensitive subject. Mission Kashmir is not really a pure masala entertainer. Nonetheless, as Fiza's director recently pointed out, the movie did fine commercially, despite Amitabh's (and presumably others') attempts to brand the movie as a flop. Mission Kashmir opened larger than Mohabbatein, a movie with both Amitabh and SRK, and though it finished with less gross--understandable, because of the nature of the movie--it still was the third best performing film of the year, after KNPH and Mohabbatein.

https://twitter.com/Jhajhajha/status/1435600113758453765

2. My understanding is Yaadein opened solidly, and it was a very strong performer in the overseas markets, but yes, underperformed expectations considerably. The issues with this movie have been discussed to death on here, but this really was Hrithik Roshan's first 'flop.'

3. The 'Rakesh saw Hrithik flopping, and then swooped in to save him with KMG' is flawed. KMG was announced well before Yaadein was even released (June 27, 2001)--and therefore, before Yaadein flopped at the box office. KMG was already in the works well before Hrithik's 'string of flops' (Yaadein, the three 2002 movies, and then MPKDH). It was actually supposed to be his launch film, as KNPH was planned for SRK initially.

4. This narrative of 'K3G saved Hrithik from a string of flops' is hilarious too. Ignoring that Fiza and Mission Kashmir were not flops, let's revisit SRK's filmography between 2000 and K3G.

- PBDHH: Flop

- Hey Ram: Flop

- Josh: Average

- Mohabbatein: Blockbuster

- One 2 Ka 4: Disaster

- Asoka: Flop

Compared with Hrithik:

- KNPH: Blockbuster

- Fiza: Semi-Hit

- Mission Kashmir: Average

You can bicker with the characterizations of Fiza and Mission Kashmir, but they were not flops. Meanwhile, leading up to K3G, SRK had 1 Disaster and 3 Flops in those two years. If anything, he was the one rescued by K3G.

Originally posted by: filmfanatic45

A few issues with the discussion here:

1. Fiza and Mission Kashmir were not flops. Did they underwhelm at the box office, compared to KNPH and the hype that came after that? Yes. But comparing Fiza and Mission Kashmir to KNPH is an apples to oranges comparison. Fiza is an artsy film with a nuanced portrayal of a controversial and sensitive subject. Mission Kashmir is not really a pure masala entertainer. Nonetheless, as Fiza's director recently pointed out, the movie did fine commercially, despite Amitabh's (and presumably others') attempts to brand the movie as a flop. Mission Kashmir opened larger than Mohabbatein, a movie with both Amitabh and SRK, and though it finished with less gross--understandable, because of the nature of the movie--it still was the third best performing film of the year, after KNPH and Mohabbatein.

https://twitter.com/Jhajhajha/status/1435600113758453765

2. My understanding is Yaadein opened solidly, and it was a very strong performer in the overseas markets, but yes, underperformed expectations considerably. The issues with this movie have been discussed to death on here, but this really was Hrithik Roshan's first 'flop.'

3. The 'Rakesh saw Hrithik flopping, and then swooped in to save him with KMG' is flawed. KMG was announced well before Yaadein was even released (June 27, 2001)--and therefore, before Yaadein flopped at the box office. KMG was already in the works well before Hrithik's 'string of flops' (Yaadein, the three 2002 movies, and then MPKDH). It was actually supposed to be his launch film, as KNPH was planned for SRK initially.

4. This narrative of 'K3G saved Hrithik from a string of flops' is hilarious too. Ignoring that Fiza and Mission Kashmir were not flops, let's revisit SRK's filmography between 2000 and K3G.

- PBDHH: Flop

- Hey Ram: Flop

- Josh: Average

- Mohabbatein: Blockbuster

- One 2 Ka 4: Disaster

- Asoka: Flop

Compared with Hrithik:

- KNPH: Blockbuster

- Fiza: Semi-Hit

- Mission Kashmir: Average

You can bicker with the characterizations of Fiza and Mission Kashmir, but they were not flops. Meanwhile, leading up to K3G, SRK had 1 Disaster and 3 Flops in those two years. If anything, he was the one rescued by K3G.