Pyar Deewana Hota Hai. - Page 4

Originally posted by: zehreeli.kheer

And worse of all, they actually made Rani provoke the judge to ask her rapist to marry her.. Because otherwise the judge was ready to give him a jail sentence.. But oh no.. Rani went on a full tirade as to how this wouldn't do her any good and her life is destroyed as no one would marry her

In Indian law , rape can't be plea bargained or compounded at all like that lest trial judge has gone bonkers..Or acting on reels scripted by bonkers..(though they can contend "lol you bonkers have been happily binging follywood trash since ages why suddenly acting petulant over this next to nothing bit you son of a honker bonker lmfao")

Originally posted by: SmittenKitten

Here's the thing. He didn't redeem himself with that self-imposed punishment. If someone can't process feelings of guilt in a healthy manner, they most likely need to see a therapist to unpack their mental baggage.

But since a therapist doesn't exist in bollywood movies, let's just scratch what I said and restart.

Firstly, why did he assume that she would be happier with someone who would go far enough to cut his tongue off to repent instead of a man who tells her the truth and leaves the ball in her court?! Something tells me that his so called "love" wasn't about her at all. From beginning to end, it's about him and his obsession with controlling the outcome.

Secondly, why was he so sure that he deserved to cut his tongue off?! How did he work out that "punishment" for the crime in his head?! And what will he do when he does something worse later on? Take the matter in his own hands and kill himself cuz you know, he feels awful enough to actually deserve it? 😵

World would be a pretty cuckoo place if everyone went around chopping their body parts to balance the T account of their good deeds and bad deeds.

Also, who's to say that his dumbfounding sense of retribution doesn't extend to others around him?! For instance, what's he gonna do when SHE messes up next time? We're all humans and no one's perfect. Is he just gonna let it go even though he beat himself up enough to actually cut his tongue off?! Or is he gonna find a way to "punish" her too, you know, to balance it out?! The dude can't let things be without intervening himself, so it does make me wonder.

In saying that, I get that love can really cloud your judgment and that the lie ate at his soul. But at the end of the day, it was just a harmless lie pretty easy to remedy ... just tell her the truth and pull away, and let her decide the course of action. What's with the theatrics and bodily harm? He was clearly mental and needed help cuz cutting your tongue off is not a product of a sound mind by any means.

With that said, whoever read this whole post, kudos! 😆 I'm done philosophizing so much on this movie ... the director clearly checked his brain at the door before entering the production house. 😆

I understand what you're saying and I agree that Sunder needed help. But I think his intentions were good. He was just extremely naive and stupid.

He was not a psycho lover like Rahul in Darr. He would never punish Payal or harm her in any way because he genuinely loved her.

His punishment was to loose his voice forever. Cutting off his tongue was only a way to loose his voice. He wanted to really become dumb, because he won Payal's love by acting like a dumb person. We might not think that he redeemed himself, but according to his own twisted logic, he did it and the act was for him more than Payal or anyone else.

Telling her the truth would obviously have hurt her because like I said, Payal didn't tolerate lies and liars. She was fine and happy marrying and living her life with Sunder even if he couldn't speak.

You do have an interesting take on the character always wanting to manipulate the outcome. The character doesn't feel like a manipulative one, because alot of things happen in the film due to misunderstandings.

Maybe you should watch the film and then your take on the character and story might change.

Originally posted by: SmittenKitten

I was too busy watching SRK movies to keep up with the Govinda ones. There was another movie of him with Karishma with that song Bohat Khoobsurat Ghazal ... he was a psychopath there but I only know cuz others cautioned me to not watch it back then.😆 Govinda was everywhere with Shilpa, Raveena, Urmila, Rani and so many others, I couldn't even tell the movies apart.

You're talking about Shikari where Govinda played a negative role. I made a thread on that film as well.

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/bollywood/5230093/govindas-shikari-disturbing-film

This film only had a disturbing ending but Shikari was a disturbing film as a whole.

We were so used to seeing Govinda in mindless entertainers that whenever he did something serious, audience never accepted him.

Originally posted by: canuck-umz

SmittenKitten has summed everything up perfectly and it's exactly how I feel about the movie.

How is it better that Sundar never planned to tell Payal the truth? Isn't that worse that he was ready to perpetuate the lie till the end of time? Sundar's logic was effed up either way. Who cares if she lost her belief in love? Who is he to decide for her? Who is he to make assumptions about the outcome? Do you remember the movie Shabd? In it the writer, Shauqat truly believed that after finding out the truth about Antara, Yash would commit suicide. The writer believed that he could control their lives and rewrite their fates. Shauqat assumed that Yash would take such a drastic step but he didn't. Who's to say that Payal wouldn't have lost her belief in love or trust in people? How could Sundar be so sure? Maybe at that point she would have lost trust (rightly so) but time would heal her wounds from that lie. She would have moved on. She had a support system. People move on. Sundar was just like Shauqat, he was controlling and unstable.

If I were in her place I was have ran off at the speed of light. Sundar got Payal in the end even after all his lies and psychopathy. Do you realize how traumatic that is knowing that someone self-harmed for you? It eats away at that person. They feel guilt for no fault of their own. Payal was a victim and she would have stayed a victim her entire life. Even if Sundar didn't want to tell her, she still found out. She would have found out some day. These things cannot be hidden forever especially a lie as big as that.

Sunder was following the philosophy of "ignorance is bliss". As long as Payal remained ignorant about the harsh truth, she would've remained happy and in her own bubble.

I understand that Payal ended up becoming a victim forever because of Sunder's lies and stupidity. Maybe if the director was going for a sad ending like this, he could've made it more hard hitting by making Payal never know about the reality.

Thinking about it, Sunder didn't think it through that Payal would've noticed that he has cut off his tongue. You have watched the movie so you would know that he first goes to a doctor to request him to make him loose his voice through an operation. But instead the doctor was about to call Payal, and in rage Sunder slices off his tongue without thinking.

Payal too had the option to run away but instead she falls at Sunder's feet in the end knowing what he had done for her. I suppose makers wanted to show how crazy people can be in love, hence the title "Pyar Deewana Hota Hai".

Originally posted by: canuck-umz

Ugh! Like this man beat and raped her, attempted to kill her, his family tortured her and tried to kill her and she still falls in love with him. The guy's "punishment" was to marry Rani instead of being locked up. Like is this a punishment for the man or the victim? If it was such a problem that no one was going to marry her then she could've moved to another city or another country.

Literally and knowing this actually happens in this country writers thought it was a good idea to go ahead and glorify this 🤢 disgusting

Originally posted by: SmittenKitten

"Marry your rapist" was a law in many countries ... and still is, I believe. It's disgusting. 🤢

it really is and what’s even worse is actors even agreed to act in such movies

Originally posted by: AwaamKiJaan

I understand what you're saying and I agree that Sunder needed help. But I think his intentions were good. He was just extremely naive and stupid.

He was not a psycho lover like Rahul in Darr. He would never punish Payal or harm her in any way because he genuinely loved her.

His punishment was to loose his voice forever. Cutting off his tongue was only a way to loose his voice. He wanted to really become dumb, because he won Payal's love by acting like a dumb person. We might not think that he redeemed himself, but according to his own twisted logic, he did it and the act was for him more than Payal or anyone else.

Telling her the truth would obviously have hurt her because like I said, Payal didn't tolerate lies and liars. She was fine and happy marrying and living her life with Sunder even if he couldn't speak.

You do have an interesting take on the character always wanting to manipulate the outcome. The character doesn't feel like a manipulative one, because alot of things happen in the film due to misunderstandings.

Maybe you should watch the film and then your take on the character and story might change.

I think I keep coming back to this thread cuz you keep reiterating that his intentions were good.😆 He might have been a sympathetic character but I don't agree that his intentions behind cutting his tongue off were honorable or good by any means.

Had she found out the truth, there were two possibilities. She would have either broken up with him and moved on OR she would have forgiven him. He refuses to take his chances cuz the idea of his fantasy world crashing is absolutely unacceptable to him. Moreover, the mere telling of a lie is far easier to forgive than doing everything in your power to perpetuate the lie just so your cover is not blown. Wanting a doctor to perform a medical procedure and then cutting his tongue off as a defensive attempt to avoid consequences is not naive by any means. It's a pathetic and desperate attempt to escape reality so that he could forever dwell in the fantasy he created, with absolutely no regard for her life .... and his own! Don't really have to watch the movie for me to say that confidently.

He was so in love with the fantasy he created with his own web of lies that he couldn't stand the idea of dissociating from it anymore. Now, that's a problem because you need to be able to keep your head above the sea of your lies even when you're lying. When you start free falling into a world of fantasies, it's time for intervention. Like Canuck mentioned, Shauqat in Shabd ends up in a mental asylum cuz he couldn't distinguish reality from fiction anymore.

If he thought he was doing her a favor, he was being completely delusional. Had she never found out that he lied, he seems to be fine with it, which tells us that he had absolutely no problem with the act of lying to her. She hated liars and his lie posed a threat to his fantasy, which he started believing. Eventually, it got to a point where he wanted to alternate his own reality to keep the fantasy alive. STILL think his intentions had her benefit in mind? 😳 People in "love" usually do stupid things thinking they're magnanimous souls with unconditional love to offer but when you strip it to the bone, it's not love at all. Lots of Bollywood movies are notorious for portraying such characters as eternal lovers who generate a lot of sympathy but when you look at them without the overvalued ideas of love that preoccupy them in the movie, they're a bunch of crazies.

Originally posted by: Agent_Vinod

In Indian law , rape can't be plea bargained or compounded at all like that lest trial judge has gone bonkers..Or acting on reels scripted by bonkers..(though they can contend "lol you bonkers have been happily binging follywood trash since ages why suddenly acting petulant over this next to nothing bit you son of a honker bonker lmfao")

😆😆😆 yeah but that movie surpasses all kinds of bonkers and honkers even by bollywood standards back then.

Originally posted by: SmittenKitten

😆😆😆 yeah but that movie surpasses all kinds of bonkers and honkers even by bollywood standards back then.

Actually , contention was solely directed towards that technical nitpicker only..And nobody else (since what you guys picked definitely deserved criticism)..

(edit) I clarify now :)

Good film

Remind me how guy can be feeling guilty of lying once whereas women kind would lie at guys face for years with no guilt and remorse , and would also put the whole blame it on the guy by the end.